I keep reading that 'modern’ cars are much more economical than older cars like the Yeti. However, when you read into the claims in more detail you often find that the claims relate to a few ideal situations and that the real world average over the usual different conditions we all face day to day is far less than the ‘optimum’ MPG initially quoted. I have a 2017 1.2 Tsi DSG Yeti and over its life have achieved 44.66 MPG since new and a best of 49.47 MPG on a tankful on a journey back from Dorset to York. This seems to be competitive with any modern car including most hybrids. 

7 hours ago, Expatman said:

I keep reading that 'modern’ cars are much more economical than older cars like the Yeti. However, when you read into the claims in more detail you often find that the claims relate to a few ideal situations and that the real world average over the usual different conditions we all face day to day is far less than the ‘optimum’ MPG initially quoted. I have a 2017 1.2 Tsi DSG Yeti and over its life have achieved 44.66 MPG since new and a best of 49.47 MPG on a tankful on a journey back from Dorset to York. This seems to be competitive with any modern car including most hybrids. 

The DSG must be considerably more economical than the manual I guess.

 

I recall averaging mid 30's in my first (2009 1.2 TSi Yet). The best I ever managed was only high 30's.

 

I thought it was a tremendous car (I went on the own another 3 of them!) and a considerable upgrade over the 1.6 Petrol Qashqai it replaced, although just not great of fuel.

 

1 hour ago, pinkpanther said:

The DSG must be considerably more economical than the manual I guess.

 

I recall averaging mid 30's in my first (2009 1.2 TSi Yet). The best I ever managed was only high 30's.

 

I thought it was a tremendous car (I went on the own another 3 of them!) and a considerable upgrade over the 1.6 Petrol Qashqai it replaced, although just not great of fuel.

 

Perhaps I am lucky but I have had 2 Yeti’s, both DSG’s with the 1.2 engine. The first was the 105 BHP version (2012) on which I averaged 42.7 MPG over the 61,000 miles I had it then, because  the Yeti was an ideal car for us, bought another with the 110 BHP engine in 2017 just before Skoda discontinued the model. As said I have averaged 44.66 MPG over 47,000 miles so far! In my late 70’s I am hardly a boy racer but do drive  briskly but smoothly, I guess anticipation is the prerequisite for good economy and maximising MPG. Incidentally I specified 16” wheels when I bought the car (SkodaUK intercepted the factory order to change the standard 17” wheels to the 16” wheels I prefer - deeper sidewalls so smoother ride!). Perhaps 16” wheels with higher profile tyres contribute to better economy?

Problem I have now as my Yeti will soon be 7 years old is what to change it for that will suit us as well. Hard to find a direct replacement.

I got 61 mpg this morning on an hours drive from Bergerac to Libourne, an A road but passing through lots of towns, roundabouts and junctions, temperature was about 23°c

 

The return journey was at 32°c and I had the aircon on and also did quite a few additional miles of urban crawling, the economy dropped to 56mpg.

 

Cruising speed was 50-60 mph when I could do it, national speed limit is 60kph/50mph and there were several speed cameras along the way.

10 hours ago, Expatman said:

I keep reading that 'modern’ cars are much more economical than older cars like the Yeti. However, when you read into the claims in more detail you often find that the claims relate to a few ideal situations and that the real world average over the usual different conditions we all face day to day is far less than the ‘optimum’ MPG initially quoted. I have a 2017 1.2 Tsi DSG Yeti and over its life have achieved 44.66 MPG since new and a best of 49.47 MPG on a tankful on a journey back from Dorset to York. This seems to be competitive with any modern car including most hybrids. 

 

 

"Older cars like the Yeti = 44.97mpg" - I had a rather older 1961 Morris Minor 948cc that averaged over 50mpg on a run and likewise a Datsun 100A.

My Modern-ish 2014 1.4 tsi does about 46mpg average with a best of about 53 mpg. Obviously performance has change but some older cars had surprisingly good economy . Saying that I had a Vauxhall Viva 1256 Viva that did 32mpg and a 1.3 Escort that did 28mpg.

 

Edited 18 July, 20232 yr by bigjohn

If the Yeti is classed as older then my old Vx Signum must be ancient by now. 1.9 TDi that never dipped below 50mpg unless I was wearing my lead boots. Best I ever saw was close to 67mpg on a run up north of the wall.

 

My Superb regularly returns 46mpg from a tankful, best I've seen so far is 63mpg on a trip to the EU.

15 hours ago, petrolcan said:

If the Yeti is classed as older then my old Vx Signum must be ancient by now. 1.9 TDi that never dipped below 50mpg unless I was wearing my lead boots. Best I ever saw was close to 67mpg on a run up north of the wall.

 

My Superb regularly returns 46mpg from a tankful, best I've seen so far is 63mpg on a trip to the EU.

Yes, but it’s a diesel so I would expect better MPG.

16 hours ago, J.R. said:

I got 61 mpg this morning on an hours drive from Bergerac to Libourne, an A road but passing through lots of towns, roundabouts and junctions, temperature was about 23°c

 

The return journey was at 32°c and I had the aircon on and also did quite a few additional miles of urban crawling, the economy dropped to 56mpg.

 

Cruising speed was 50-60 mph when I could do it, national speed limit is 60kph/50mph and there were several speed cameras along the way.

Yes, but it’s a diesel so I would expect better MPG than a petrol.

Just to throw in some of my own figures, probably as a back-marker.  With a 63 plate 1.2 Yeti on 42K miles (an easy life), on 16" wheels thanks to Expatman's pioneering example, my figures for 2022 were 36.9mpg over, unusually. only 3,500 miles.  Most of these were over poor local lanes and with only a handful of journeys of 200-plus miles.  I'm always happy to see 40+ showing during the rare motorway run (at or around 70 where reasonable) but pure economy can't be a big factor for me personally.  Over rather a lot of years driving, under quite different circumstances I've seen the extremes of a 75mpg Trojan and an 18mpg 110 Landie.  Perhaps just keep an eye open for deterioriting consumption but do remember that your own driving style, routes, vehicle condition etc are rarely the same as another's. 

 

Be happy you're driving a Yeti! 

 @Expatman 's figures are interesting. A best at near 50 mpg is good but not great, but relative to that his overall average at over 44 mpg is comparatively outstanding.

 

A lot factors involved in the overall figure, good economical driving technique, most journeys a sufficient distance for the engine to warm up and without excessive speed.

The Yeti's Achilles heel of poor aerodynamics reveals itself on the longer faster run although that can be mitigated by the 'normal' close proximity driving (imo) on busy British motorways.

 

I can understand his enthusiasm for the Yeti's overall versatility but I also think he would get even better figures with a more modern engine vehicle (Karoq?) or a Toyota hybrid.

 

Many drivers are not very good at driving economically, or as I call it 'sensibly' and I think this was demonstrated when I hired a 1.2 litre NA Corsa in the UK. The long term consumption for 8000 miles averaged low twenties but I was getting sixties on a tank and I was stunned on a cross London journey in peak to average 50 mpg (the display seemed accurate to refill calculations).

 

Conversely, a recent interstate holiday trip in Aus in our 1.4tsi Octavia returned about 50 mpg. I was a little disappointed by that but the roads on our route were empty, speeds were high because of the distance to cover, there were strong head and cross-winds (both directions 😞 ) and it was cold (our winter). Normally I'd hope for high 50s. 

I do not keep a record these days but when I filled up the car last night I calculated the average at 6.4L/100 (44 mpg). Wife does most of the driving commuting 13 km to work across town. 95 Octane was A$1.75 a litre which converts to 92 pence which is at the low end of our price cycle and why I filled up.

 

A real world comparison for economy or efficiency is probably a Euro 6 1.2 TSI DSG Yeti with a 1.0 TSI DSG that will have a GPF.

Maybe there are those on here that have gone from owning and driving one to the other.

 

Or for a 1.4 TSI Yeti with a 1.5 TSI ACT Karoq. 

With my Yeti 1.4 AWD (150hp version) I averaged 42mpg (actual) over the time I owned th car, and my current car a self charge Kia Niro has averaged 69mpg (actual), since I got it about a year ago.

I'm averaging 70mpg in the Volvo, but that's cheating(!)

 

I found that our 1.2 TSi DSG Yetis (we've had 3) responded far better to a very gentle throttle than the TDI 4x4 DSG s we have had. For our driving mix, I would say that we could get another 10% out of the diesel and 20-30% more out of the petrol 's average when driving very carefully.

Worth noting that I have always used E5 97 octane petrol, apart from 3 months in 2019 when I used 95 octane petrol to see what effect it had on MPG, it increased petrol consumption by over 7.5% and car felt less responsive, at supermarket price per litre for 97 is about 5% more than 95 so didn't save any money for worst driving experience.

Our local 95 Octane does not yet have ethanol added and so when I tried a few tanks of local 98 octane in the 1.4tsi I could not identify any performance or economy improvements. I did it because the dealers recommended I try 98 to address a cold start jerkiness experienced for the first 100m (1st gear to road) after a cold start, made no difference to that either. 

The UK Corsa hire was fed E10 95 Octane and apart from feeling gutless at lower revs (compared to small capacity turbo) I was more than happy with the near diesel like consumption.

I agree with @Prezafab's assessment about the effects of more careful driving on petrol and diesel consumption returns.

 

The Yeti is a wonderful little Tardis and I have no idea what to suggest as a replacement.

Edited 22 July, 20232 yr by Gerrycan

@ExpatmanWhose E5 97 ron Super Unleaded is it you buy?

 

Not all E5 around the UK is the same as far as Ethanol added and it might not have 5% depending where bought.

Sainsburrys 97 ron Super Unleaded is 97 ron Minimum just like others 97 ron, or 99 ron which is Minimum.

 

Then as far as E10 95 ron, they need not necessarily all have 10% ethanol. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 22 July, 20232 yr by toot

15 hours ago, toot said:

@ExpatmanWhose E5 97 ron Super Unleaded is it you buy?

 

Not all E5 around the UK is the same as far as Ethanol added and it might not have 5% depending where bought.

Sainsburrys 97 ron Super Unleaded is 97 ron Minimum just like others 97 ron, or 99 ron which is Minimum.

 

Then as far as E10 95 ron, they need not necessarily all have 10% ethanol. 

 

 

 

 

 

It doesn’t really matter to my MPG results what the exact composition of the fuel is. The fact is I get better £ per mile with the “Super E5” petrols than with nominal E10 petrols. Generally I use Sainsburys Super because it is most convenient for me and the premium over the regular E10 is relatively small whereby the increased MPG more than offsets the extra cost of the fuel. 

Merseyside to Devon with my 2014 Yeti 2.0L 110bhp used to return about 60mpg. My current Audi A3 1.5 tfsi 150bhp has seen 76mpg on the same run. It does not however have the aerodynamics of a brick. The Audi has also towed a 1200kg low profile caravan at 40mpg. Modern vehicles are more economical.

 

Colin

Edited 22 July, 20232 yr by eribaMotters

@ExpatmanThe point is it really does matter as you know, and there might be small differences, there are differences with vehicles that can benefit more from the different fuels, & there are differences around the UK in what gets to the filling stations.

 

The reason i asked where you get your 97 ron is because Sainsbury Super Unleaded which shows as E5 97 ron min can be very much better economy wise than E10 Sainsbury Unleaded 95 min and not much more per litre, just like Tesco Momentum 99 E5 is not that much more than Tesco Unleaded 95 ron E10.

Some might even think they are the same fuels being delivered by Greenergy who are also supplying ESSO filling stations in parts of the UK.

 

It is not common that any fuel producers publish results of testing. 

 

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Edited 23 July, 20232 yr by toot

9 hours ago, toot said:

@ExpatmanThe point is it really does matter as you know, and there might be small differences, there are differences with vehicles that can benefit more from the different fuels, & there are differences around the UK in what gets to the filling stations.

 

The reason i asked where you get your 97 ron is because Sainsbury Super Unleaded which shows as E5 97 ron min can be very much better economy wise than E10 Sainsbury Unleaded 95 min and not much more per litre, just like Tesco Momentum 99 E5 is not that much more than Tesco Unleaded 95 ron E10.

Some might even think they are the same fuels being delivered by Greenergy who are also supplying ESSO filling stations in parts of the UK.

 

It is not common that any fuel producers publish results of testing. 

 

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Technically, of course, you are right. But practically if I get a better MPG then I am happy. I do wonder if my findings relate to many other cars and drivers would be financially better off using the higher grades of petrol. Also an improved driving experience as well.

@Expatmanplenty have posted over the years in this forum in many many threads that they find it the same as you,

and equally others post they found no difference.

I can only post what I have found. MPG calculated on brim full to brim full basis since car was new so I know findings are accurate.

 

You pays your money... On my diesel Yeti I use standard fuel and add a shot of Miller's Ecomax every second tank. On my old Impreza, it's always fun on Tesco Momentum 99 because it likes it !

I use mainly Tesco 95 octane with 50 ml of Archoil AR6900-D MAX in every tankful and get anywhere from 57 to 68 mpg each tankful on our 1.6 TDI.

@UrrellTesco 95 (E10) is 95 ron unleaded petrol so i take it your use Tesco Diesel (B7) Up to 7% bio,

what cetane does it say it is on the pump?

 

In my diesel i have been using Gulf Super Diesel and what a difference it has made cleaning out the engine and exhaust and reducing the stink and reek. 

 

 

Edited 24 July, 20232 yr by toot