Has anyone looked into replacing the 180bhp engine with the 225 engine in the audi and seats ?

got me thinking as if you want around 260 to 280bhp your looking at quite a few changes to the standard vrs engine. I belive the cupra r owners can get to around the above figure with a remap.

also the engine is built to handle more power.

Been thinking this myself recently, possibly the labour charge for an engine swap makes it expensive?

humm. yeah i'm not really sure an engine swap would take that long, or cost that much if its a simple out and in. Its the cost of the engine. not sure what the cost would be.

if you consider a gt2x/AM04 kit, install and all extra gubbins will prob cost over 3K.

2K for the engine and 1K for map and install .....

not sure if the twin smic's would cause some issues. Apart from that i assume the engines are the same abit different components.

suggest you read the contents of the board first.... swapping a good 180 lump for a 225 would be a total waste of money.

where is this info. i did infact search for engine swap but no luck

Have done two such conversions on MK4 Golfs. Does work out a reasonable way to tune if you say want a reliable 270-280 bhp with little work. The engine swap isnt to bad, bit of extra electrical work to do and you can also fit the 6 speed box.

Plus the further tuning is possible if you feel the need.

Just depends on how cheap the engine can be had for. Ive known one to be done for under £1500 all in and 280 bhp for that aint bad.

thanks lummox for that info. good to see someone has done it before.

how long does a typical engine swap take ? what electrical work is needed ?

redbarron - can you post the link to your info.

a decent set of forged pistons and an upgraded tubo would be quite a good way of sprucing up your existing engine.

thanks lummox for that info. good to see someone has done it before.

how long does a typical engine swap take ? what electrical work is needed ?

redbarron - can you post the link to your info.

Depends on what your doing an how its being fitted. We did the first one in a few days but thats in a workshop. Wiring in extra sensors etc that the 225 has takes a little time etc.

I think its a route I would take personally but then I could do the work myself pretty much so it would be a cost effective way to do it for me.

suggest you read the contents of the board first.... swapping a good 180 lump for a 225 would be a total waste of money.

Does work out a reasonable way to tune if you say want a reliable 270-280 bhp with little work.

Hmmm, now whos opinion to trust? I have a figure of

Its not a matter of who to trust, just two different opinions from two different perspectives.

Price sounds about right for the engine depending on whats on it.

yeah thinking about it i can't see why more people do not go down this route !

for my 80K octavia i would expect to do the following for 280-90 bhp

1. bigger turbo - 800

2. fmic - 700

3. injectors 300

4. clutch - 400 ??

5. recondition gearbox - 300 ??

6. with a 80K engine you might think about pistons also

so your looking at 2.5K not including fitting. This is also not including the standard items you would do for both lumps. cai, exhaust, tip etc.

assume you can get a good cupra r lump for 1.5K. I know i can pull some favors to get this installed on the cheap. either way i doubt the labour would be much more than the above items to be installed, if not less.

you then have a spare engine to sell or as backup if the current lump gives up.

no doubt installing the new compontents would be 'better' for performance and reliability but in terms of cost surely this is the route to take !

yeah im sure redbaron knows his stuff, but at the moment i cannot see an argument against this route !

yeah im sure redbaron knows his stuff, but at the moment i cannot see an argument against this route !

Labour costs mainly if you cant DIY or dont 'know' someone.

IIRC.. i read somewhere (SCN) that the 225 engine uses smaller (read weaker) conrods to the 180 engine...

for the average jo-skoda-owner who would be paying mainstream prices for a engine conversion wouldnt it be cheaper to get a fatter turbo? wouldnt an IHI on a 180engine give the same results if it were on a 225 engine?

humm i would be very surprised if this was the case. why would they put weaker con rods in a higher output engine ?

if you were going down the IHI route, yes i might as well keep the standard engine as basically the whole engine needs a rebuild.

to get 280-90 bhp from the cupra r engine all you need is exhaust, cia and remap.

the whole point is that the cupra engine doesnt need a rebuild to achieve this.

IHI would be at least 4K while no way an cupra engine would cost that to install.

a decent set of forged pistons and an upgraded tubo would be quite a good way of sprucing up your existing engine.

rods and pistons easy

btw if i had known it 2 years ago i wouldn't have gone down the remap/fmic etc route and just sourced a 225 engine :(

i could have bought then engine for the same as i spent on remap/fmic/boost controller and then saved the extra for getting it fitted. still thinking about it tbh.

If my numbers came in, which is admittedly unlikely since i don't put them on, i'd defintely throw an amount in the direction of an audi v8 lump conversion, maybe even the rs6 lump. Now tell me that wouldn't be cool! Wonder how possible a 2.0T conversion would be...

yeah interesting. anyone know what other engines are available for this ?

think im going to have a look further down the 225 route !

the V8 thing ain't happening without an extensive rebuild of the whole car

might aswell buy an RS6, easily cheaper.

rods and pistons easy

they aren't the same though thats the point. as standard the 210/225 lumps have stronger rods and pistons and the early 150 engines used in the golfs have better heads with bigger valves etc.

looking into it myself with tuners the prices i quoted are roughly the prices i have been given.

they aren't the same though thats the point. as standard the 210/225 lumps have stronger rods and pistons and the early 150 engines used in the golfs have better heads with bigger valves etc.

the 225 one has stronger rods as you say, and also they have pistons with a lower compression ratio.

but when i did the whole mk2 thing the 225 lumps were rare as rocking horse ****. so we managed to get an early golf agu unit. whenever i buy a lump from a breakers i always take the head and the sump off the check that all's well inside, while i was there i though we might as well do it properly.

i still think that this route is worth considering though, because you dont have to do it all in one go, you could fit the pistons/rods then run it for a while then later fit a better turbo when funds allow.

oh and the 150/180/225 engines all have the same size valves

okay seems everyone thinks the 180 is the same as the 225. so far as i understand it, here are the differences

rods/pistons are stronger

injectors are larger 400cc ?

turbo is larger

twin smic's

6 speed and stronger box

there probably even more differences i don't know about - clutch, exhaust etc.