Hi

been some time since being on the forum...

selling the hsv holden (530bhp monster) for a sensible fast family car...

obviously the octie will feel slow in comparison but what do you think the best bet is?

i do 25k a year so diesel is a lot cheaper (the holden is as you can imagine quite expensive @ 20 - 26mpg)

Ideally after an estate just for the convenience

question is the 170vrs - sounds as if you have problems remapping? but is quite a powerful beast as it stands

140 - lots of remaps up to similar power..... and can get the haldex 4x4

basically i'm a bit concerned that fwd will be struggling with the vrs?

with the 4x4 - can you get uprated springs to match? or are they all fwd orientated?

are the brakes ok on the 4x4 for spirited road driving?

any thoughts? anyone with a similar chipped 4x4? or anyone after a p/x with a HSV ;-)

Can't say what a Octy 140 remapped would be like, but it's the same power plant as my previous car - Passat 2.0TDi Sport. Had this mapped with good results. Much more drivable, and quick. I would say that a standard vRS PD is about the same as a mapped 140 PD, but that's just my view.

Do what I did - get the vRS remapped. This will give you ~ 200bhp. It feels a lot quicker than standard. P-Torque did mine. No problems to report so far.

Hope this helps?

Do what I did - get the vRS remapped. This will give you ~ 200bhp. It feels a lot quicker than standard. P-Torque did mine. No problems to report so far.

Hope this helps?

does it manage to get the power down?

If you get the Octy with sports suspension then it is the same springs/dampers as the VRS it just has smaller brakes and doesn't have the reinforcement to the structure in a couple of places.

It does however get the toys.

The PD170 has a DPF which is causing problems, but I think you can still get a PD140 without. Also PD140s seem to be putting out about 160-165bhp according to some RR runs. I'm not sure how accurate they are but it has been more than one octy on more than one RR.

Personally if it was me I would get the 4x4 as when when you can easily spin the wheels on crap/bitty surfaces and we all know how good the UK roads are

If you get the Octy with sports suspension then it is the same springs/dampers as the VRS it just has smaller brakes and doesn't have the reinforcement to the structure in a couple of places.

Good points; but it's not quite the same springs as the vRS is 12mm lower than 'standard' and the sports suspension drops by 30mm; however you have mentioned the difference in brakes that seems to have been forgotten about by a lot of us, including me, when comparing models.

Is the sports suspension compatible with the 4x4? I'm thinking that perhaps its not with the geometry of the 4x4 suspension (I'm not thinking of the Scout 'cos I know that the ride height on that has been raised compared to standard).

does it manage to get the power down?

It seems OK. You can lose traction, even in 3rd, but the ESP seems to work OK and doesn't feel that restrictive.

Where the car really shimes is 3rd - 6th.

Having come from an Octy 4x4 to the FWD VRS TFSi imo you have to be fairly gentle with the throttle in the damp/wet. Most of my journey time this morning was spent with the traction light on the dash flashing away. :thumbdwn:

There is no point having the power if you cant use it.

Also Id say dont get hung up about the actual power figures; the torque is more important imo - not sure what the 140 remaps to, torque wise?

Lee

If you look on the JKM RR day you can see what a stock PD140 gets and a Remapped VRS TDI PD170 gets.

PD140 - Stock

PD170 - Superchips remap

IIRC the standard sports suspension drops the car only by 15mm, it is the eibach springs that drop the car by 30mm. You are probably correct that the suspension won't be an option on the 4x4 or scout as they have increased ride height, but that could I am sure be sorted with an after market kit.

I think you will find the sports suspension will not fit the standard 4x4 either as they ride 17mm higher than the standard models, the scout has a further 20mm on top of that.

See above, but yeah I didn't think about that in the first post I made.

IIRC the standard sports suspension drops the car only by 15mm, it is the eibach springs that drop the car by 30mm.

Beg to differ; check the 'Accessories' section on koda UK - Home Page - the drop on 'Sports suspension is 30mm.

The one on a relatives car is only approx 15mm lower than a standard car when parked side by side.

If you are talking about these, they are the eibach dealer fit ones, not the factory fit options.

?koda Accessories

These are the ones I was referring to: Sports Suspension Kit

Part Number: FAA619002

Suitable For: Octavia Hatch

Information: 2.0 FSI,1.9 TDI and 2.0 TDI. Not suitable for 4x4 or production fitted sports suspension.

Product Details: The sports suspension not only lowers the vehicle by 30mm but will also improve the handling of the vehicle providing a much more sporty experience.

I think the factory fit ones are different to the accessories ones as I've looked at those and relatives springs are sure not blue.

Also they say not suitable for production fitted (eg factory fitted) sports suspension cars.

Doesn't really make a huge amount of difference though as an after market solution would be available.

Another thing to consider is that the 4x4 will be a higher tax band due to the 4x4 system, but to counter this a lower base insurance group. Obviously mods will affect this.

I've been looking at fitting the VRS brakes to an octy and have concluded that you need 17" wheels to get them in.

been looking further into it - conclusions

yep no suspension kits for the 4x4 - only fwd - so that dilema is sorted :-(

chipped 140 gives more torque than a standard 170

chipped 170 may cause dpf problems (or as standard as well)

Conclusion:

think i'll get a s/h petrol vrs until the new common rail comes out next year ;-)

The search continues :-)

The PD140 was standard and the PD170 was chipped

On the choices front, fair comment really but i don't know when the CR engines will come out in the skoda.

The PD140 was standard and the PD170 was chipped

On the choices front, fair comment really but i don't know when the CR engines will come out in the skoda.

early next year rumoured

From what I've read the change to common rail is due to the need to increase refinement and to meet forthcoming emissions regulations. The PD engines tend to be torqueier but noiser which doesn't match the current moves towards greater refinement. As such you may find that the newer engine will be cleaner and queter but has lower power and torque, with less headroom for remapping.

From what I've read the change to common rail is due to the need to increase refinement and to meet forthcoming emissions regulations. The PD engines tend to be torqueier but noiser which doesn't match the current moves towards greater refinement. As such you may find that the newer engine will be cleaner and queter but has lower power and torque, with less headroom for remapping.

would disagree - take a look at the fiat multijets - the 2.4 20v - 200 bhp 300lb/ft standard - 240 - 250bhp with 400lb/ft when remapped!

Richardo did alot of the fiat diesel technology (i was told) - was way way in advance of the antiquated PD technology - with the multijet 1.9's being even more popular than the vw unit (vauxhall, saab, fiat, alfa etc all using it)

the 16v 1.9 can be remapped to 200bhp 300lb/ft no problem at all - shame the car they adorn is either dull (vauxhall / fiat) too heavy (alfa / saab) or unreliable in the electrics department(fiat / alfa).... the newly awaited 159 which is going to be on a diet (150kg lighter) may however be a worthy contender (if i can ony get around the depreciation factor and bits falling off it!)