Vrs or Monte Carlo tdi
Posted 15 July 2012 - 15:20
I like the look of both cars but not driven either. Given my mileage is the tdi 105 that much more economical than vrs given the fuel cost differences?
I would hope that the diesel engines torque makes for a fun drive?
Posted 15 July 2012 - 15:27
Posted 15 July 2012 - 16:04
Posted 15 July 2012 - 16:52
Posted 15 July 2012 - 17:26
Are you crunching motorway miles or blasting around b roads?
Posted 15 July 2012 - 17:37
My trip to work is along country B roads 12 miles. The rest of my work day can be a 70 mile round trip on busy duel carriage ways and a little town driving. Im car mad and enjoy driving. However, the cost of fuel is annoying and I worry that the economy of the VRS will prove equally irritating especially when I hear it requires high octane fuel!
Until my Mazda I had many diesels including Fabia VRS, Jag 2.2 and BMW 320. The problem with the jags and BMW's is that they were unreliable and I must have reliability.
Posted 15 July 2012 - 23:00
(much less on the way back, as I was "enjoying" it )
Its a jakle and hyde... can be driven economically, or like the Rally car
I love it. But then I haven't had the problems others have had. Its still the best car I've ever owned apart from the lancia thema turbo
Posted 15 July 2012 - 23:01
Posted 15 July 2012 - 23:38
I agree with whats said above by sharkrider.
I found that 44 mpg plus is no problems after the vRS is up to running temp & @ Motorway speeds, and over 50 mpg at lower speeds.
Obviously you can ruin that with spirited driving, but then thats the choice you have.
35-37 mpg is easily achieved around town as long as the journey is more than for 10 minutes.
98 or 99 Ron petrol is costing me less than Diesel just now
as to the oil usage, that can only be on a few models, should have been fixed on any currently or recently having issues
& surely by now is sorted on the Newst cars being sold.
The similarity of a Monte to a vRS is only in the looks department IMO,
Totally Different vehicles to drive i would imagine, but then i have never driven a Monte.
Posted 16 July 2012 - 02:26
Posted 16 July 2012 - 08:21
whats the worst that can happen?
(& will any expense be after the warranty is out?)
Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:47
VRS: approx 40 mpg
16 tdi 105 bhp approx 55 mpg
VRS: many smiles per gallon
1.6 tdi : not many smiles per gallon
If you can live with 40mpg get the VRS, if you can't don't!
Posted 16 July 2012 - 12:32
how many "actual" issues are there on here, there is a lot of speculation / scare mongering, a few annoyance when the car is doing a regen but so long as you don't ignore the DPF warning light on the dash then not many issues
from a milage perspective you are in the "diesel makes sense" area from a personal perspective, it depends on what you want from the car, sporty drive, looks, economy etc
i just find it a shame there is no sporty diesel variant like the MK1 VRS, the wifes had hers for 9 years and will not change it
Edited by bluecar1, 16 July 2012 - 12:37.
Posted 16 July 2012 - 12:54
You can never know how a vehicle will be at 3 or 4 year old and out of warranty untill they are 3 years old.
So we are waiting to see how many issues if any there will be on Euro 5 engines diesel and Petrol
& if there are actually any as they get more miles and years on them..
I know how Fiat, Peugeot, Citroen, Renault and some others have got on with their Euro 4 then Euro 5 diesels with DPF's.
Time will indeed tell if VAG/Skoda have got things right or better than them..
5 & 7 year warranties will help give some piece of mind to buyers, once VAG get around to feeling that financially they can offer these on all their vehicles
Edited by sk4gw, 16 July 2012 - 12:57.
Posted 16 July 2012 - 14:16
I know if I was driving around in a monte I know I'd always feel a twinge of regret that I didn't buy a vRS each time I saw one.
Go on -buy 'the real McCoy', you know you want to
Posted 16 July 2012 - 15:29
Posted 16 July 2012 - 15:54
One is for saving pennies and looking pretty.
The other is for going like Joe at reasonable cost.
Why not have a TSi Monte. Cheaper, quieter, better handling and you won't stink like diesel dude.
Posted 16 July 2012 - 16:12
For a performane vehicle you will be hard pressed to get the same returns for your money.
Posted 16 July 2012 - 20:14
For that type of driving I'd go with anything from the Passat/Superb/Mondeo sector.
Saying that if your dual carraigeway work is 60-70mph then the diesel monty would be my choice.
If driving pleasure and economy is key wait until the facelifted Fiesta is out in November, it's going to get an uprated verion of the 125bhp 1.0 ecoboost and will get a 60+mpg combined figure.
Posted 18 July 2012 - 21:13
The VRS is a fantastic machine ( I did look at buying one) but if you do 15k a year on A roads and Dual Carriageways then I would say that the Monte is the one as it is cheap to tax (£30 per Year - I think), Cheaper to insure, and the economy is better.
Also I diagree with a few of the comments that the TDI is sluggish and tortise like, the 105 HP has plenty of torque and is fun to drive and gives some of these so called hot hatches a real run for their money!!
Buy the Monte, make sure it is the 105 HP as there are a couple of variants of the TDI and spec it correctly and carefully and you will be close to VRS spec with the added bonus of saving on the VRS price tag, reliability problems, having better economy and still having the looks of a sporty car.
In short Save yourself some cash and buy the Fabia MONTE CARLO 1.6 TDi CR 105, wins everytime for me!
Posted 20 July 2012 - 13:59
"Diesel makes your hands stink. Buy a petrol." - 4 of my last 7 cars have been diesel. The fuel goes IN THE TANK, not all over your hands. You're doing it wrong!
Which leads me to the..."it's a diesel, it's underpowered and sluggish". Again, 105 BHP in a car the size of a Fabia is plenty and the torque is the same. Car mags recently (in fact for ages) that jump in adiesel and procede to try and thrash the rear off it like a petrol car will always be disappointed - you don't drive a diesel like that. You have to use the stonking torque to et you to the power, or just ride the in gear torque. If you get in and expect a diesel to fling you down the road like a petrol, it just won't happen (unless you have my mate's 535d, remapped to silly figures "The Train". Quicker than his M3 was...).
Returning to the original posters' dilemma, with that mileage a year diesel would win hands down for economy. You know how to "drive" diesels, so you should be able to make the Monte TDI work for you - mine is plenty quick enough (for now...) and rides really well on the lowered suspension and 17" alloys. The VRS (I've never driven one) would, I imagine, be more responsive, encourage "raggings" and then give you 35-40mpg. I has DSG only (you might not want that either) and will be completely different.
I had to think did I want this current car to be a bit bonkers, or a fair bit more sensible? I went for sensible and got the Monte. I won't ever feel guilty for ragging it, as it will still say 50+mpg. It sticks, goes and stops well enough (maybe a bit more poke later in life - it's only 6 weeks old), so I'm happy!
Posted 20 July 2012 - 20:39
Basically if dpf`s appear on all cars then Ive done with diesel for good.Its all on your milage at the end of the day and if you take the tdi badge off the rear (like I did) they are hard to tell apart!
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