Luckypants

I've just done a weekend away on almost a single charge. A trip to Anglesey (80 miles), motoring about the island for three days and the trip home through Snowdonia this time. Total was 320-ish miles. Left home at 100% with 265 miles showing on the GOM, predicted range increased slightly on the way over. I got a 15 minute top up at a 50kW Podpoint rapid on Saturday afternoon when it was clear I didn't have the range to get home. Arrived home with 13% which included running the air-con for the dogs while parked (Sunday was 20C!) so was able to go get a takeaway with no drama. Cost of home charging for this was £16.33 and the rapid charge was £6.34 (15.86 kWh) for a total of £22.67 for 320 miles, so 7.08p per mile on a little trip out. My Karoq would have cost about £59.20 for the same trip using the cheapest diesel I saw as a guide (£1.85/litre). An example of my real world range in a loaded car and the cost to charge at today's prices.

Out of interest, if this is not commissioned how do you start a charge? (I understand it is powered up)

Swarco issued a response to the Disclosure program, where they call them out for not taking their input. https://twitter.com/SWARCO_Charging/status/1588267449362923524?s=20&t=dnKauwzUT0ecEjGFv7psCw

Just watched that while having lunch. It seems a great package.

Everyone will be charging wherever is cheapest. Free is obviously cheapest hence why the Tesco chargers used to be busy. Now it will likely be home charging or maybe subsidised council chargers. I always looked for the cheapest place for my ICE cars and now do the same for my EV. Tesco were free and convenient, so got a fair few electrons there but now its more expensive than home, so almost all charging will be done at home.

Mr. EV frustrates me, he seems so dis-organised and faffy. He also charges up at 20% SoC on a trip which on a 300 mile range car means he's not using 60 miles of range! As he generally charges to 80% for optimum charge speed, he only makes use of 60% of his potential range. I'd never be able to do a trip with him, but he is quite entertaining in a weird way.

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I have deleted it too. I didn't use it much and was keeping it just for the old 50p PAYG rate as was a bargain if I needed public charging. Now I'll do the same as you, probably using my Electroverse card (Octopus energy). On a brighter note, Osprey have announced a price REDUCTION from 1st November to 79p/kWh.

I have now found something on the Pod Point website, confirming Tesco chargers will no longer be free after 1st November. https://pod-point.com/electric-car-news/price-update-tesco-faqs-22

Looks like Tesco free charging is going. Charges to be levied at the start of November? (I've yet to find an official announcement from Tesco or PodPoint) https://twitter.com/modernheroestv/status/1583190747825983488?s=20&t=X9x9DcY1ZyJoxoILDETqTA

I agree @classic, folks seem to claim way better mpg / mkH than I get. I put it down to living in a hilly area where you never get back any near as much regen as used climbing hills. My average in the ID.4 for April-September 3.8 mile/kWh and previous winter 3.4 mile/kWh. My previous diesel car (similar to ID.4 in size) averaged 45.4mpg over the time I had it. I suspect the very good efficiency folks live in flat cities that play to EVs strengths. (I once had 4.8 mi/kWh on a 45 mile run but also had a 2.4 mile / kWh average on a run down from Hawick in a storm)

Not had any new hubs mentioned for a while, so here are three I've heard of recently:- MFG 6x150kW chargers at Stanton St Quintin near the M4 MFG 5x150kW chargers in Lewisham Denbighshire Council hub 3x50kW and 33 fast chargers at West Kinmel Street Car Park, Rhyl.

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Not had any new hubs mentioned for a while, so here are three I've heard of recently:- MFG 6x150kW chargers at Stanton St Quintin near the M4 MFG 5x150kW chargers in Lewisham Denbighshire Council hub 3x50kW and 33 rapid chargers at West Kinmel Street Car Park, Rhyl.

Light weight for the win. We get 54mpg average out of our petrol Citigo without trying and that's in a hilly area. I think the word is out that the EV versions are super cheap to run judging by second hand prices - currently a lot more than they were RRP when bought.

The thing I took from the video is how massively inefficient it is to produce hydrogen. To produce enough hydrogen to give a car 300 miles range (for example) you need three times the amount of electricity an equivalent BEV would need. Scale that up national size and instead of needing (figures plucked from the air) 30 gigawatts of new generation to power the decarbonisation of cars, you need 90 gigawatts. That's a huge amount of extra generation needed in pursuit of an unproven technology. Its the electrical power needed to create hydrogen that makes it unviable IMO, not necessarily the technology to make it work.

Gridserve have been having issues with their chargers at Rugby for the past week or so. It seems they are not keeping on top of maintenance leading to breakdowns at quite a few sites, not just Rugby. The Tesla chargers seem unaffected. We did a 200 mile trip yesterday on a whim. Car was at 73% when we left and we got two destination charges while we did the sight seeing / walking planned and got home with 33% charge. This EV thing is not so hard.

I did meet a couple of guys who treated getting free charging like a game, planning their use and comparing notes (while plugged in to the free Tesco 22kW). One proudly told me he had done 6000 miles for £90. Fair play if you can get it but it will come to an end soon. Dundee have the right idea to benefit locals but 20p is still cheaper than home charging for me. Still a bargain in Scotland using CPS chargers.

That seems very reasonable costs to me. I think free open to all council chargers are unfair to local council tax payers as people who do not contribute to local taxes reap the benefits also. It did feel odd rocking up to a charger, getting 50kW and not paying - I felt like a 'cheeky git' knowing the local council would be footing my bill. I'm not surprised that Local Authorities are moving to a pay to use model. Local Authorities around here are just starting to put chargers in to their car parks and prices are more commercial at 40-55p a kWh. I think most if not all will be happy paying the 30p/kWh price, even those who cannot charge at home.

The price is crazy and makes me concerned about charging on the go. Luckily I do very little of that. The shocking part is the scale of the rise, 66p to £1, a 50% increase suggests Osprey have messed up buying electricity at a good price or have lost a backer. Either way this looks like panic and I won't be surprised if they go bust. I'm sure they will lose a lot of custom at that price.

Lack of demand for propane is probably what keeps the price down. It is 'cheap' compared to natural gas but I have to say your €30 price is a lot less than the UK which is £38 for 11kG bottle refill. Having said that, it has not gone up since I last bought in January. I use bottled gas for the hob. (oil for heating, no mains gas out here).

That's a shame but I don't blame you.

We're getting used to it! Perhaps we need a new thread? "George's Charging Rants"......

The ID. cars from VW get enhanced battery temperature management in cold weather with V3.0 software. I expect Enyaq will get similar with version 3 too. In the meantime schedule any overnight charging to complete just before you leave as charging warms the battery.