Luckypants

To really **** you off, my average cost over 33k miles now 5.9p / mile. I'll admit this figure has been helped by a lot of free Tesco / Aldi charging in the first year and some other free charges, which is something petrol or diesel never get. I had solar fitted at the beginning of July and now any excess can be dumped into the car for 'free', so July & August has seen my costs at less than 3p / mile. This is without an EV tariff for leccy as smart meter does not work, so I'm paying about 19p. Things will get more expensive over winter due to poorer efficiency and less solar, unless something changes on the smart meter front. Financially it stacks up for me, the fuel cost saving pays the increased monthly PCP cost over a similar diesel.

A truth about an electric car.... 3000 miles around France. No issues with finding a charger, no issues with queuing, average charge cost 29p / kWh, average consumption 4.0 mi/kWh, average cost 7.51p 7.87/mile (includes charging at home before leaving and on return plus one free charge of about 25kW). We charged whenever the humans needed a stop. Generally this coincided with meal times and generally we charged more than needed so we could finish our meal. Truth is, EVs are no more difficult to tour with than ICE vehicles. Our ID.4 was quiet, comfy and very easy to drive over long distances on the Autoroute with ACC and Lane Assist helping keep things in check. Highly recommended! EDIT: I forgot to account for the one month subscription to Tesla membership charging of £11 in my cost per mile. New average above.

Unless this is a change in terms and conditions, what you propose is specifically excluded on the 15p export tariff for this reason. If you are on IO or Go, you will be on the Agile export tariff. This os how I understood the T&Cs when I signed up.

I'm unfollowing this thread as the bickering and off topic posts are polluting my inbox. I'm on holiday now so not going to be replying anyway 😁 One final point that is the truth about electric cars. Mine has been faultless on the drive to the south of France from North Wales. 4.0 miles per kWh average and its a piece of cake.

Which is still 20-30p less than the competition 🤔

The rate for Tesla membership is in 30s and is the same as for Tesla I think. Membership costs £10.99 a month and is worth it if charging regularly. The contract length is one month so can be cancelled anytime. The VAT and BIK questions are not unique to Tesla, so the answer is it depends on your own tax position. I've taken membership for this month as holiday trip is on. I'll save the membership cost in my first charge, after that I'm saving money every charge. The reason I'm bigging up Tesla charging is the price difference is massive. Banbury charge will cost me 35p/kWh versus 79p at the Osprey chargers next door or 75p at the nearby Instavolt hub. When I'm in France the difference is not so stark, as non-Tesla charger prices seem closer to 50p/kWh but still a useful saving.

I'd like to point out Tesla as an exception to this. Their rates are currently pretty reasonable even for non-Tesla owners. I've suspected from the start that Charge UK "trade association" is a cartel for fixing charging prices, but I'm beginning to believe it now. I'm voting with my feet on this one and using Tesla chargers whenever possible. Tomorrow I'm charging at Banbury using Tesla, ignoring the Osprey chargers next door and the Instavolt hub I'll pass to get to the Superchargers.

Agree the Tesla price is great. I've just paid the subscription for membership prices for our upcoming road trip to France. Looking at 28-39p for charging on the next 2-3k miles.

So what do you reckon your cost per mile has been for fuel?

Is this the 'Highland' model? I thought that will come with the new battery tech from CATL to give 10% improvement in energy density, per the Electric Viking?

Lots of dealers don't bother with the green flash either, maybe for cost or just CBA? I don't have one and really not bothered that I don't.

A little update. As a second car there is not many miles go the Citigo, so the tyres are still new. In the 200 miles they have done, a lot has been in the wet. the tyres are confidence inspiring so far. One surprising thing, the amount of water thrown up / sucked onto the rear screen seems to be less with these tyres than the OEM Bridgestone tyres. The only reason I can think of is the arrowhead directional tread is putting more water out the sides rather than out the back in a rooster tail.

Would have done if out and about. It seemed to be announced yesterday morning just as the zero pricing went live.

Only if you have a working smart meter.....

I take it you are on Intelligent Octopus tariff? The prices on my Electroverse app show the full price. Not having a working smart meter means I'm a second class electricity customer and have no access to all these discounts. Another example of 'the provinces' providing the power and the south getting all the benefits.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/horror-footage-shows-range-rover-27805901 And also, wow! that was a year ago! I was thinking it was just a few months ago. I'm getting senile.......

My bad, I thought these were at the service centre that had the chargers taken out by a flying Range Rover. As an aside, these are meant to be open to all cars but not showing in the app. yet, under 'Charge my Non-Tesla'. https://twitter.com/EVAEOfficial/status/1695015645635625044?s=20

That looks like it will be fine to reach my ID.4 port on the right. New sites will have the charge posts in the centre of the bay, like the ones widely publicised in The Netherlands. These in the photo ls replaced some existing Superchargers which were placed optimally for left rear charge ports.

Seriously? With rising poverty in the country, real world wage erosion, record numbers reliant on food banks, people working full time reliant on food banks and benefits you question how people do not have savings?? Many people who did have savings have spent their 'minimum safety net' a long time ago. Those of us able to save and pay our way are in a position many, many hard working people are not. Definitely out of touch.

Fair point. I was merely comparing the most costly component on an ICE with that of an EV and on that basis the cost is comparable.

A google away, while trying to find the link to the E-UP pack, I came across this. BMW I3 pack for £3683+VAT - granted only a 22kWh pack but these are out there. https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/collections/ev-packs/products/bmw-i3-60ah-22kwh-pack

For what its worth, I saw an E-Up battery pack with less than 10K miles on it second hand from a written off car about 6 months ago. £3200+VAT delivered. ISTR I posted about it at the time, but cannot find the post. £3200 seems very reasonable for a major component akin to a new engine. Like ICE cars, major parts will become available reconditioned and second hand as the market matures. EVs will not be more expensive than ICE, its the supply of cheap parts has not yet developed.

European Taycans have always had the possibility of 22kW AC charging as an option. This is now available for retrofit. The first link is to an American site, they do not do 3-phase hence the 19kW weirdness.

My point was more the UP/Mii city car with modern tech batteries could be significantly more efficient due to weight savings. Owners regularly report 4.5-5 miles / kWh, maybe that would be pushed to 5-5.5 with lighter battery? This is a 150 mile range car, which is plenty for it's intended city / commuter use. There is no more room for batteries really, its an adapted ICE design after all. VAG claim they make no money on small cars and so are killing this off, but they've sold plenty with a waiting list. This car with a lighter battery of same capacity could end up a 200 mile car, better acceleration/braking and generally improved. I'm saying development of this concept of small car/light battery would yield great results and would sell like hot cakes in Europe.

Improvements in energy density are a magic bullet. Either the battery becomes 10% lighter=more range or battery has 10% more power stored = more range. Personally I hope they use the improved energy density to lighten the vehicle, making it better overall rather than keep weight same and get 10% extra range. Improvements in packaging of the cells into a pack should also give weight savings. Hopefully this new technology will help produce smaller and lighter EVs. Efficiency improvements are where its at now. Oh, imagine an e-UP or Mii with this battery tech, rather than the outdated batteries currently used! I hope we can find something like Moore's law applies to energy density in batteries.