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It is the codename Highland facelift. Ultimately, any information before today will be rumours. I think the media embargo lifts today. I read somewhere that CarWow and Fully Charged show will have a driving video tomorrow.

Summary points posted somewhere else: Standard range 346 miles (not epa rated yet) Long range 423 miles (not epa rated yet) improved suspension 8% efficiency improvement 30% improvement to reduced road / ambient noise rear screen like model S plaid ventilated front seats removed stalks traditional horn more responsive and brighter screen improved bluetooth and wifi upgraded ventilation / AC system (more controls) 17 speakers, instead of 14 like prior model about the same price Text format: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-tesla-model-3-brings-restyle-improved-cabin-more-range Good refresh, great they've managed to get more efficiency (thus range) out of the platform. Ventilated seats and rear screen are nice additions. Personally not sure about removal of stalks for driving in roundabouts.

Looks very busy with caravans. Good job the charging spots haven't been ICE'd.

I thought EDF at 8p/kWh off peak looks tempting if can't get Intelligent Octopus. Also move the tariff and home setup discussion away from Hubs thread into its own thread. Yes, I think Intelligent Octopus is the best tariff with low day time increase (30p on standard variable to 31p for my area) and lowest cheap rate. Plus extra slots when need it. I can essentially charge my 78 kWh car from empty to full all on cheap rate, every day, thanks to their the extra allocated slots system. I don't do the miles to ever need it, but I keep smart charging turned on so they can choose when they charge my car and help with grid demands. Because many tariff starts at 0am and most popular GO tariff starts at 0:30, if not needed, IO often doesn't charge between 0-1am. Doesn't bother me when it charges as I asleep. In the other thread, @lol-lol, you said your 4 kWh battery is portable. Are you powering your house with it? Or is it an isolated setup and you plug in appliances to discharge it? I like the idea of portable battery so I can take it elsewhere for electricity. But I don't like the idea of manually managing its use. If there's a solution to just plug into the domestic mains ring and it'll automatically draw or discharge based on solar excess (eg. taps into smart meter zigbee HAN)

Here's a list of EV tariffs. Octopus isn't the only game in town. Unfortunately they all require smart meter as minimum. Be careful, some of those tariff have higher day time rates. Instead of go on comparison website to find cheapest bill, some spreadsheet work is required to find best deal for you. You need to know out how much your house uses and how much your car uses (rule of thumb can be 10k miles divide by 3.5 mi/kWh = 2850 kWh) You then find per kWh cost for each tariff and plug the tariff numbers in, day for home use, cheap rate for EV, to get a pessimistic estimate based on your usage, for each tariff. Intelligent Octopus: 6 hr at 7.5p/kWh for everything, plus extra cheap slots to get the char charged in the morning. variable Require compatible car or charge point https://octopus.energy/smart/intelligent-octopus/ Octopus Go: 4 hr at 9.5p/kWh for everything, variable https://octopus.energy/smart/go/ EOn Next drive: 7 hr at 9.5p/kWh for everything (I think), 1 yr fix https://www.eonnext.com/tariffs/next-drive OVO Charge Anytime: Only EV charging is at 10p/kWh, calculated as credit on the bill, works similar to Intelligent Octopus but end time reads like is more flexible. Require compatible charge point https://www.ovoenergy.com/electric-cars/charge-anytime British Gas EV tariff: 5 hr at 9.4p/kWh for everything, 1 yr fix https://www.britishgas.co.uk/energy/ev-tariff-home.html EDF EV tariff: 5 hr at 8p/kWh for everything, 1 yr fix https://www.edfenergy.com/electric-cars/tariffs Please post any I've missed or new tariffs.

Which would win, a tuned Lambo or the Nevera:

Intelligent is brilliant. 6 hour cheap vs 4 hours. And by keeping my car SoC low, I can get extra cheap slots and thus whole house consumption gets billed at lower rate. Last bill, I managed to get my electricity usage average out to be 10.17p/kWh (IO at 7.5p/kWh and 31p/kWh). Before, I can only manage 12-15p/kWh (Go at 7.5p/kWh and 35p/kWh). I'm hoping to get to around 8p/kWh when V2H gets installed, finally got DNO approval and just waiting installation to be booked in. Currently DD set at £188 per month for me. I like to build up a buffer during summer and adjust downwards in spring. After last bill I had about £350 in credit. I can probably get away with ~£130-150 after I gain home storage. 3 bedroom house with small 2.9 kW-p W-E solar and EV charging total ~15k miles. Just get rid of gas appliances and go heat pump. Get bigger storage battery and more solar PV. Zero-emission off-grid living and travelling.

A junction down the North Circular was where the riot and looting took place about 12 years ago. This whole area always felt very dodgy. But there's a big Tesco nearby with a little foot traffic along the road, the charging area are very well lit and other cars come and go. The retail park entrance also had an occupied security car. In early days, I've charged in more dodgy feeling location without lighting, on a single rapid, completely alone. 😨 I don't follow football, but I suspect wearing rival football shirt might be paint a target on one's back.

Kid gone to sleep, traffic looks to be clearing, so I went for a drive and charge. 50% to 96%, received about 35 kWh. Free is indeed very nice. This new Tottenham rapid was only about 1/3 in use with cars come and go, despite being free for today. I was planning to charge to 80%, but at around 70%, I fired up new Vampire Survivors game in the car and lost track of time.

Probably server maintenance dressed as a perk. Tesla only: Open-to-all:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1696417404761559356 Supercharging is free today, until 11 pm, confirmed on the app. Including for those open-to-all superchargers.

Yes, it's not showing on Tesla app nor car yet, so I don't know what they cost and didn't plug in. But I did see a Model X successfully charge while I looked around the showroom. Thanks for the twitter link, so it also supports contactless payments. Nose in, the cable still wouldn't easily reach the left rear, see my side photo, unless it's a really short car. ID3 might work? Flying Range Rover, that's not something you'd hear everyday 😅

I can't work out how it can reach any port on the right. You are right about placement though. It didn't need to reach this much to the front of the car, it only needs to reach half of a car on either side and placing it central will solve the problem. There wasn't any supercharger in this location before, it was Mothercare. I suspect V3 stalls were planned originally.

Got to the new Tottenham V4 supercharger site earlier. After having had hands on test, I don’t feel the V4 cable is long enough for all cars. It doesn’t feel like it’s long enough for charge port on the right. There is a new screen for public charging though.

On the contrary, you always want to have the last word and manage to avoid factual discussions (the ship fire, the destination charging issue). This electric component failure is the same. Going on a tangent about your experiences and dismissing industry knowledge. As you wish. I’ve nothing more to add on this subject when you keep talk about personal experiences. I’ve talked about reduced electronic components in some EV’s, less things to fail. I’ve also talked about highest failure rate component and how easy to replace them. Finally, I’ve talked about repair workshops that can replace all components on a PCB, smaller does not mean impossible to repair.

How old are those items? What are their respective quoted MTBF? Having more to repair does not automatically mean they are unreliable. Failure rate of electronic components are well understood in the electronic industry. If you feel the need to side step this and make it personal, I'm sorry I have lost interest in this discussion because my age has no place in a factual discussion.

Well, no, I haven't misread the situation. Once again you are talking about worst case scenario. Once again, I'm saying the chance of failure is extremely low due to high reliability of those components. Just like I've been saying about chance of battery thermal runaway.

Was in Oxford today for a day-out. Used 35 kWh, at 7.5p/kWh, trip costs less than £3. +£5 for park and ride including 2 adult bus tickets. Just wish with so many park and ride around the city, they'd put more bus lanes so buses aren't stuck in traffic. It's park and ride, need to go to ticket machine to register for 1 hour free parking, probably designed for rapid charging or picking people up. 12 Tesla-only 250 kW superchargers. Currently 37p off peak, 43p peak 4-8pm. About 10 Fastned parking spaces, 1 300 kW charger shared across 2 bays. 63p/kWh using Electroverse. About 14 destination chargers. Toilet facility is pretty bad, only 3 for this high footfall area. Also no shops, just a bus terminal.

If individual electronic components are your worries, I think you should be more worried about ICE cars made by many-tiered suppliers as per approach used by legacy auto maker. There's so much unnecessary components due to sub contractors using sub contractors. This is an interesting comparison of 3 EV's, and how Tesla are able to reduce amount of components with their vertical integration: https://insideevs.com/news/506048/tesla-ford-vw-electrical-architectures/ But the truth is, solid state components are far less likely to wear out. The highest failure rate component is not surface mount resistors or small capacitors. It's those larger electrolytic capacitors that are most likely to fail first. They are easiest to replace. But workshop to repair everything on the PCB, including BGA mounted chips are widely available and often don't need circuit diagram to spot the problem. @Graham Butcher, you should stick to worrying about batteries. Take it from me, graduated from one of top university in electronics and have extensive failure experience in this area, both in work and personal hobby of overclocking gaming PC's. Micro-electronics are highly reliable these days and can all be repaired with the right workshop.

Code is unlikely to be cracked because Tesla continuously keep everything patched up via OTA updates. It was hinted to hide degradation. This is unlikely if you think about their approach to this. If it was their true intention, most vehicles sold will have software unlockable battery capacity. So that if a large percent of people don’t buy software unlock, they wouldn’t know about degradation. But that’s not how they operate, they mostly sell full battery capacity. Only software limit when they want to adjust vehicle starting price to appeal to broader market. You think or you have seen prior example/evidence? Enhanced Autopilot (£3500) purchased after delivery of vehicle does not change BIK, highly probably wouldn’t affect VED in 2025. On your Tesla franchising service centre theory. It’s a possibility, it would explain variation people experience between service centres. But it’s still miles better than a dealership taking a cut from purchase price (delivery does not involve service centre). Also miles better when some diagnostics can be done by actual engineers designed the car for free without dragging it to dealership and pay half hour labour for a low level tech to read error codes. But interest theory, I shall ask technician if I ever have work done by them. But I plan to change air filters myself, no need to service the vehicle.

The cabin feels luxurious, excellent quality and attention to detail. The software is dreadful, settings all over the place and laggy. We spent 20min tying to set off-peak scheduling charging, turns out need to set departure time to make that option available. Software is worse than Kia EV6 I’ve test driven and despite the conglomerate and based on same vehicle platform, no Intelligent Octopus integration. I think viewed as traditional car, they are great alternative to Audi. They do sell other dressed up Kia/Hyundai models including ICE cars. But same as Skoda vs Audi, we are on this forum for a reason. I wouldn’t pay more for Genesis when there’s cheaper Hyundai on same platform using same running gears.

..... I wasn't clear. I meant to say one is something you've already paid for, the other is something that is understood to be locked when purchasing. Morally, it's on same level as BMW heated seats. But in practice, it's no different to everything else that can be software locked, had been software locked. Eg. I turned on my Octavia cornering fogs using OBD, otherwise it was a software locked feature. Many software have locks unless paid. Even computer hardware had software unlocks. Software unlocks don't count towards the £40k VED threshold. VED also doesn't take into account of battery size, IMHO unfortunately. I personally think taxation need to focus people's minds on efficiency. Fuel duty does this. pre-2017 VED also does this to some degree. There's no such tax for EV and it's a shame. If it were up to me, I'd put something similar to expensive-car-tax based on battery size. (eg big battery car pay more for first few years) Efficiency is everything. I suggest you do some research before drawing your "problems" conclusion. Here is how it works with Tesla, just make an appointment via the app. They run their own "service centre" and "rangers" https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/support/vehicle-maintenance For what it's worth, I've been doing fine charging 3 EV's using a single charge point (old one installed in 2017 no less) only using overnight tariff, been going on for about 2 months now. My 78 kWh MY, my wife's ~18 kWh Leaf, my neighbour's new ~78 kWh Genesis something EV until they get their charge point and smart meter sorted. Yes, it's different to street parking lottery. Ultimately I have the final say who gets to charge tonight. But with some friendly whatsapp messages, it's all very manageable. Similarly at workplace, we have a whatsapp group for the 8 charging spots, about 20 EV's charge using it throughout the day, works out okay. What happened to those? I used to see them around the city (London). I don't remember seeing one in recent years. This, I totally agree 👏 😱

First UK Tesla V4 supercharger open to all just went online, new stall with contactless payment terminals and long cable to reach all cars. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-tesla-supercharger-v4-open-all-electric-cars-uk It's not far from me. Might check it out on Monday.

There are always ways around normal design parameters, either by design, reserve tank, or by user, jerry tank. This is different. You bought a 70 kWh car, it's actually a software locked 90 kWh battery. So instead of software lock, it is temporary unlocked for free in a national emergency. I am only posting the link to support or give context to @lol-lolstatements. Not trying to sell their car or ignoring certain aspect of ICE, it would be good to know why my posts are take to such extreme.

See this part that covers it: And the conclusion of that section: That's not to say those who like new cars will not buy new cars. I'm saying those who can only use oldest cars will no longer get priced out of ownership as per current situation. There will always be the next cash cow, but pollution will not be the reason for BEV's. Even if particulates become a thing, they are not core components and can be changed when solutions appear. I can understand when my out-there idea get disagreements, you don't agree it's fine, everyone is entitled to their own ideas/believes...... but this is on another level. Is it a good example that will work though. The car will be slightly slower, whoop-de-doo. I never took any of my previous second hand cars to the dyno 🤔