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There is allot of comparisons made between the 280 and 272.
In reality they are as quick as each other, what the 272 lacks in power it makes the deficit back with the 7 speed gearbox.
I run a 280. The slightly higher revs at cruise speed is not noticeable as the engine is quiet and refined.
You don't have a "gpf" on the 280 where as the 272 has one.
The 280 has a valved exhaust where as the 272 does not.
The 280 runs x8 fuel injectors to the 272 x4.
There are not many 280's around second hand but loads of 272's.
I think the 280 will be more collectable in my opinion. Prices are almost the same.
I am having mine mapped soon with some additional parts fitted and looking to see 400bhp with a stage 2 map.
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36 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:
ACC set to 60mph because that is 1,750rpm in 7th gear. Although we averaged 56mph down to Newquay the return 2 journeys we experienced delays on the M5 due to accidents so the overall average for the whole 574 miles was only 51mph. Worst the car did with 40 minutes of stop/start was 42mpg and the best after 190 miles was 49.0mpg. My normal commute is 70% motorway and 30% speed limits from 30-50mph. I try to stick to spped limits despite my car having 514nm of torque and almost 360bhp.
To achieve a healthy BHP figure of 360, did you go stage 1 or 2 and was it a map of plug in box please?
Anything else changed in the 272?
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1 hour ago, stephenlumley said:
Its because in the left side pocket in the boot is the regular car12V battery as there is no room for it under the bonnet in the iV...
Gotcha. Thanks
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On 11/09/2020 at 15:05, ChrisCh said:
The subwoofer has been removed for the IV version (as they need the space for the battery) I believe.
Why?
I have an L & K 2017 with standard Canton and sub.
The sub is in the boot in the left side pocket if you want to call it that.
Passenger seat is the amp as someone has said.I
Not sure why the IV would have no sub, can't imagine it's to do with the battery.
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I read the oil going dirty/dark quickly on the TSi engine now, like diesels do, is because the engine has direct injection. Nothing to do with the GPF.
My Superb 280 does it and my wife's CTR FK8 does it also.
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I was looking at a 280 SEL and a 280 L & K.
All have covered the spec differences. Can't think of anything that has been missed.
However, a major difference for me is the seats are more comfortable in the L & K. Wife and I both agreed. We had a 3 hour test drive in both.
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12 hours ago, newbie69 said:
As a 272 owner, I was worried (on paper / before picking the car up) about the lack of the valved exhaust and the deletion of the port injection. 1 year later I can confidently state those thoughts are no more. I forgot all about the valved exhaust when I drove a 280 at the dealer's one day and realized is that all that the fuss is about? I mean even a 280 is not a particularly sporty sounding or loud car either, it's just not engineered in the car as much as in a R/S3 where you can more clearly tell the difference between on/off valve.
The injection deletion is more of a long-term worry. I'd need to keep the car for at least 5 years/80.000km to start worrying about carbon build-up and that's more than what I have ever kept a car for anyway.
Tuning wise the 4 extra injectors are realistically irrelevant unless you go bonkers with big turbo setups and extensive modifications, at which point the addition of a fueling system (as some US cars have done that never had MPI from factory) is a minor fraction of the total cost you've invested on the car. You don't need extra fueling for at least stage 2+ states, meaning even mild hybrid turbos around the 450bhp mark.
On the other hand, having lived with the VC for a year I would have a hard time going back to an analog cockpit, especially one as dull as the Superb's (sorry). And the 7speed is just so smooth and economical that it seems to have cancelled out the extra 200kg compared to my previous Golf GTI with the same engine but a DSG6 instead, it's unbelievable but I'm seeing same or slightly better figures on anything other than start stop traffic.The flaps mean it is quiet at slower speeds and they open up at speed. Probably doesn't make that much difference but I like them clicking away when I start on a cold morning. Definitely quieter when on idle with flaps closed.
Having the additional set of injectors will help in keeping the intake cleaner. But the main advantage is mapping though as we know. Stage 2 and 400bhp will be advantageous.
When I tried the 7 speed DSG box in a Golf R 7.5 it was no quicker changing than the DQ250 6 speed in the 280. They are just as smooth as each other.
It's additional 7th gear helps with cruising is the only advantage that I can see.
Analog clocks, don't really have an opinion. If I am honest they both look boring compared to my wife's Type R FK8. Nothing like putting it into R mode and it all going red😉
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@shyVRS245 is spot on and good to here from an owner of a mapped car, they can be totally reliable, just find a knowledgeable and well respected specialist that does maps and you are good to go.
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12 hours ago, Raymundo91 said:
I'm really toying with the idea of mapping mine to either stage 1 or 2 but also don't want to damage the engine because knowing my luck it'll end up blowing and costing me a fortune
You are correct that stage 1 about 350 and stage 2 about 400. Stage 3 is when it gets serious to about 500bhp but you need a hybrid of different turbo for that.
From the tuners I have contacted and posts I have read on "FB" and a VW/Seat/Skoda tuning magazine, stage 2 is the sweet spot. Car will reliable ,stage 3 is when things get a little stressed. Either stage 1 of 2 is where it's at. Enjoy.
I am definitely going stage 2 as I fancy that magical 400bhp😝😂😂😂😂😂
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Swings and roundabouts comparing the 280 and 272.
272 May have GPF where as the 280 defiantly does not.
DQ250 not as quick reacting as the 7 speed in the 272 which has a higher ratio too help for better cruising. So that is where the slightly lower 0 - 60 time comes from.
Now the disadvantage over the 280. Non valved exhaust and only one outlet either inside not the trim where as the 280 has 2 either side.
Also the 272 engine runs 4 injectors where as the 280 runs eight. Big advantage if you go down the mapping route.
When my warranty runs out in March next year I am going stage 2 map with a few ancillary parts, airbox, other less restrictive pipework and turbo muffler delete. Will probably change the downpipe with a less restrictive cat. All this will see it produce 400bhp, low 4's 0 - 60.
Will also have map installed on the DSG gearbox.
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Agreed with @roughrider10,just popped out the spare key and used my thumbs, tried inserting a small screwdriver, did not work for me. Thumbs piece of cake.
Only one key needed doing but did both to be sure. Second key was so easy, couple of mins done.
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On 10/08/2019 at 22:51, newbie69 said:
The first 3 letters identify the engine from a hardware perspective, and the 4th one the ECU map and power output. As a result, DNUA and DNUE are the exact same engine (physically) with the only difference being the software it comes with from factory ie. the ECU map which affects the power output. Essentially the same units but tuned slightly differently. In other words, they can both hit the same numbers when remapped.
APR recently announced Stage 1 software available for DNU- engines. Actually they announced it for the DNUE Golf R / S3 but they should be able to offer it for the DNUA Superb too. But, since DNU engines mean dual GPF's (Gas Particulate Filter - hence the new engine code) the gains are lower (~330-340bhp) compared to what these engines were making with a Stage 1 map before the GPFs were introduced (360-370bhp).
However... Milltek, have just released their DNU- specific downpipe (with a GPF delete section) so combining the two one should be able to see again, pre-GPF figures (Stage 1: 360-370bhp, Stage 2: 380-400bhp). Ideally, you'd prefer the tuner to have developed the tune WITH the GPF delete in mind in order to profit as much as possible from it, but it's almost certain that even a "non-GPF-delete optimized" map (like APR's current Stage 1) would make more power than advertised if coupled with a GPF delete downpipe as Milltek's.
Hope I didn't sound very confusing...
Totally understood. But there are other differences I believe. I have Superb 3 280 version.
My understanding is that the Superb runs a EA888 Gen 1/2 engine, as did some Golf R's. The latest Golf R 7.5 runs a EA888 gen 3 engine. A major difference is the gen 3 has an integrated exhaust manifold cast into the alloy head. The Gen 1/2 does not. This promotes better power I believe.
A good read.
https://www.alexsautohaus.com/blog/vwaudi-ea888-gen-3-mqbmlb-engines-explained/
A 272 would never get through the MOT if the "GPF" is removed.
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Remap definately invalidates the warranty. Let know one convince you otherwise.
If you map a car and then there is an issue and you put the original map back on the car
a decent VAG garage can tell, there are markers if they go looking for them. If you get a snotty
nosed kid straight from school you maybe ok but don't bank on a master tech who is sharp taking
a look and finding you out.
Personally, a proper map is better than a plug in device. If done properly by a repeatable garage/tuning house
there should be no issues as they can map the car/engine within tolerances that they do not stress the engine and
gearbox much more then standard.
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On 28/07/2019 at 13:12, VelocityVinnie said:
Thanks for that ill have a good read through, im also waiting until November until i do anything, the car will still be in warranty, as it will be a year old then, but ill just have to take the hit if anything goes wrong.
In terms of power, can the 7 speed box, take more than the 6, or is it the other way arround?
To be honest I am not sure.
Best talk to a good tuner, I would talk to Racingline or Awesome GTi.
DQ250 6 speed box can take quite a bit. More than I will need to be honest.
A quick google found this. Business seems to know what it is talking about.
http://www.tvsengineering.nl/nl/?Itemid=321
For serious power DSG software will need updating, change shift points and clamping pressure on the clutches.
I have seen Golf R mark 7's with power increases to 500bhp+ and appropriate torque. So seems to handle it, clutches will wear out quicker but what cost fun😉
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The Superb sits on the "MQB Chassis" so all the discs and brake upgrades from the VW Golf R (mark 7 or 7.5) fit the Superb 280. A good place for discs, pads and big brake conversions is Vagbremtechic. It is the brake company arm of Awesome GTi and owned by the same person. This will give you lots of info on what fits from just upgraded discs, to bigger discs and 4 or 6 pot calipers.
Another favourite of mine is Racingline. They have just brought out a 6 pot caliper and floating disc, ok this is up at the higher end but they have a cheaper 4 pot caliper and disc conversion as well. Comes highly regarded in the VW Golf R tuning scene.
https://www.racingline.com/skoda-superb-wheels-braking
https://www.vagbremtechnic.com/
When my car warranty runs out next year I shall be upping the power with a Racingline stage 1 map to 350 to 370bhp. Other add on's required as well to get the true benefit. DQ250 6 speed gearbox can take allot more. Well proven in the VW tuning circle.
Brakes, don't know yet, probably Racingline as I have seen them up close and they are stunning quality. Nothing wrong with Brembo, AP Racing or Alcon etc.
I won't be tracking the car of course, but its a heavy old beast and you can never have too much stopping power.😉
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9 hours ago, Speedman said:
Same here, I am not a fan of the progressive indicators, think they are less noticeable. Overall I am a bit underwhelmed by what I have seen so far of the facelift, I know its only a facelift but it seems to be only new front and rear bumpers, with very little change even to those. I would be more interested to see when the series 4 is due. New headlights certainly aren't enough to change a car for.
I agree. I shall be keeping my March 17 car a while longer yet. Haven't seen anything yet to entice me to change, to be fair its only 2 years old, waste of money keep changing.
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On 26/04/2019 at 19:40, newbie69 said:
Depends which 280. I've heard complaints about L&K's but I found the DCC Sportline set to Sport being actually pretty bearable when thrown around fast. Still not a FK8 CTR by any means but surprisingly responsive and controllable at least for public road limits. Definitely hasn't made me go looking for coilovers yet which coming from firm hot-hatches was a fear I had prior ownership. Not sure if the differences between a L&K DCC and Sportline DCC are only the shorter and firmer springs or re-tuned DCC also but from the reports I've seen I would guess the second.Interesting. I haven't heard of anything, tell me more @newbie69?
I optioned 19" wheels on mine as preferred the look of them. So at least they are exactly the same size as the sportline. When I was looking at the Sportline and the L & K, i did not notice if the sportline sat any lower, my wheels are close enough to the arches!
It probably is the retuned DCC
I wonder if the program that runs the DCC aspect of the suspension be changed to the Sportline?
The springs maybe harder, don't think they are shorter.
To be fair, I love the 280 L & K, handling is fine as it is, I love the power and the toys but I won't be chasing no hot hatch backs down a country road. I don't mind giggling to myself when I beat them from the lights though.
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On 15/04/2019 at 19:30, boydeee said:
I can relate to this. My wife has a Suzuki Swift Sport. The naturally aspirated one before they downsized and added a turbo. On paper it's not quick and only has around 136bhp but it's so much fun! It weighs nothing and it eggs you on, all without smashing triple figures on the speedo. You certainly don't need endless bhp to have fun. I'd almost go as far to say around 200 is perfect. 272 and AWD is nice though
Yep, I love my 280, quick in a straight line, but the twisty's are another matter. It's a big comfortable car with some decent poke.
For fun, I'll take my wife's Type R FK8.
1380KG, 320BHP
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On 10/04/2019 at 23:48, Chazzy said:
At risk of repeating earlier haldex discussions I had my haldex oil changed at 2 years but 49000 miles on a 280 ( not my mileage!) . Worried by the pictures of black glooped up filters on vw and audi forums. Mechanics reluctant to open up the pump to clean the filter, there are O rings that can be damaged apparently. He offered to take pictures of the draining oil and woukd get back to me if it was horrible. It was clear / straw coloured so i was happy its all clean inside still.
Spot on @Chazzy
Had my 280 serviced by an indi in Feb, wanted the haldex oil changed and filter cleaned, car at 16k miles and 2 years old.
Indi master technician said oil was new and did not want to pull the pump out to check in case of leakage etc. He said had it been dirty he would have but oil came out was the same as the new he put in.
Next year I shall have the DSG and rear diff oil replaced as preventive maintenance. This is a long term keeper car for me. Unless I can afford an RS4 or E63s estate I can't imagine anything else to be honest. Love this car.
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My original blades squeaked as well including the rear one. Change to Bosch. Job done. All good now and use nothing more than washing the car with shampoo when the cars gets a clean.
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I test drove a 1,6TDi Octavia mark 111, because it was there, no other reason. I thought it was gutless if I am being brutally honest. Father in law had a 1.6TDi Fabia mark 3 estate, it was a good engine in that but the Octavia estate needed allot of stirring with the stick. maybe better with a DSG box!
I also tried a 1.4TSI 150, peach of an engine. Without doubt the one I would go for. Coming from a 170 Superb TDi i think if funds permit the 2,0TDi 150 is the way to go for you. Hope the test drive is good for you tomorrow.
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I am at 12K miles and 18 months old now on my 280 and will be doing it earlier as over cautious like @Adrian55555
Will be doing the gearbox oil at 30K miles max.
Next service in Jan 2019 will be changing the haldex oil and having the filter cleaned for sure. These need doing more frequently
than people think if they have a 4 x 4 system
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On 19/09/2018 at 08:50, philsmith said:
I have a 280 4x4 and the rear discs are vented, I thought that these were only fitted to the 280's, but may be wrong.
I have a 280 and I agree with @philsmith, only the 280 has vented rear discs as its the same set up as a Golf R with the same caliper.
None of the others have the same set up including the 190TDi and the 220 TSi.
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2021 superb 280
in Skoda Superb Mk III (2015 - 2023)
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Is it not a 272