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YOu clearly haven't been on the A68 before. Costco was the first one I passed and I really needed to fill up. I didn't pass another one for another 40 miles or so. The only one shown on google was closed. The next open station was in Jedburgh. If you're low on fuel you don't head off into the borders without a fill up.

1. Diesel sales are NOT outpacing electric sales: - YOY growth is +13.2% for BEV versus minus 12% for Diesel - YTD volumes are 269,931 BEV versus 97,649 Diesel 2. The SMMT's letter signed by the CEOs of ten OEMs does not at any point include any request to "row back on “flawed” legally binding sales targets" - you can read the letter yourself here: https://lnkd.in/e6FQuDYh 3. Contrary to comments made by Ed Miliband on the R4 Today programme this morning, drivers of EVs are more satisfied than ever before with the provision of EV charging, and indeed are the most satisfied of any major European market, as shown by recent research by Roland Berger - also shown below. Those drivers with an EV are more satisfied than ever. Those who haven't yet made the change are being put off by the media spin that is being applied to the facts.

why do you think we make professional drivers follow these rules? (It's not because they drive different vehicles, it's because it is not safe to push the boudaries) You must take breaks from driving during each working day. The number and length of breaks you need to take depend on how long you work for in a day. If you work for less than 8 hours and 30 minutes, you must take a break after 5 hours and 30 minutes of continuous driving. The break must last for 30 minutes or more. If you work for at least 8 hours and 30 minutes, you must not drive for more than 7 hours and 45 minutes during this time. You must also take breaks that add up to at least 45 minutes. If you work for longer than 8 hours and 30 minutes, you must take an extra break of at least 30 minutes, in addition to the 45 minutes. You must take the extra break at some point between working for 8 hours and 30 minutes and the end of your shift. You must not take the extra break immediately before finishing your shift. or as the RAC puts it While drivers are not bound by it outside the UK, Rule 91 of the Code states that a break of at least 15 minutes should be taken every two hours – with regular breaks essential in keeping a driver focused, alert and, above all, safe on the road. https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/rac-research-reveals-safety-risk-how-long-do-you-drive-without-stopping/

I'm often driving under employer rules that require us to follow the Highway Code limits. Fair play to you being able to go 8 hours between toilet stops and feeling no fatigue whatsoever but I am not superhuman , plus like I say I have legal constraints. All logged by app on my phone by work.

If you have a look at this you will see most, if not all, of these are on main routes. even if you strip it back to only the very fastest chargers you'll see they'r eon main routes rather thanin the back of beyond

I drive Livingston to Milton Keynes, 375 miles. I set off at 7am and get there around 2pm. There is no way on God's green earth you two could do that without a toilet break even if you could do it without having lunch or a leg stretch to help deal with fatigue.

Tell me you have never driven an EV without telling me you've never driven an EV. OK your friend didn't bither to pre heat the battery, that's fine but you presented that fact as though it meant EVS are all flawed because your friend didn't do what he needed to. It's a bit like me complaining the fossil cars are all hopeless because I tried to drive to London wfrom Edinburgh with only a litre of petrol in the tank. You would rightly say that wasn't the fault of the technology but operator error. 1) the analogy about fillign a jug is perfect. It's got nothing to do with filling a fossil car. It's about how batteries, all batteries, charge up. It's not a car thing, it's true of all batteries if you fast charge them. 2) I did not describe a significant diversion. I described leaving the Edinburgh City bypass to get to the first PFS I passed, filling up with diesel and then rejoinign the bypass. It added 22 minutes to my journey, which is comparable with a charge back to 90% when I stop at Carlisle when heading South. See pic below for my "significant diversion". If you've nnever driven this far for dino juice I would be amazed. 3) Why does charging while you sleep have no substance? Puzzled by this one. Lots of us do it. In addition of course when I plug in my electricity price for the whole house drops from 22p to 7p, which makes it cheaper to heat the house, run the tumble drier etc etc. Put it this way in December and January (the 2 coldest month) my total energy bill for the house and car was no more than £130 per month. My diesel van cannot do that. In fact it costs £100 to fill it up and then it does naff all for my home energy bill. 4) You may be able to drive 750 to 850 miles between stops but I simply cannot. I follow the Army's rules on driver's hours so stop every two hours for 15 minutes. Not because it's a rule but because I / passengers usually need to eat/pee or take a quick fresh air break. The stops I take are the same whether I am in the EV or the diesel. But the EV refills while we stop, the diesel simply doesn't do that, rather inconveniently. While I can only manage to drive for a couple of hours, the car would happily drive for 340 miles which on my usual route (Livingston to Milton Keynes) is about 5 and a half hours. 5) the faff of plugging in is actually slighlty less than say locking the car up. You open a flap, lift the plug and put it in. Takes about 5 seconds. It takes me longer to work out which pocket my keys are in and open the front door.

I didnt describe a significant diversion, the Shell station in Livingston is closed for rebuild, it's expensive anyway, I didn't pass any other filling stations before Costco Edinburgh which is just off the bypass. Hardly significant, it was just the first PFS I passed. But still it took 24 minutes extra on my journey to fill up. Lucky you being able to fill up before you leave home. I don't have diesel stored at home so it's not an option. Scalextric cars can't travel more than 1cm from electricity though so are of limited use. They're also too small to transport humans.

A short film Skoda made for meof my recent visit to Mlada Boleslav

Dave takes it on spouts a lot of nonsense half the time. AT first I thought he was quite good but the more I watched the more I realised he was often spouting his own opinions which weren't always accurate.

my point was that it was massively inconvenient that my diesel VW didn't fill itself up while I was asleep in the same way that my Skoda does. So whereas my Skoda took about 5 seconds to lug in, the VW needed a diversion off the main road and then to a filling station and then I had to get back to the route I was on. That took over 20 minutes. As for your friend's Tesla experience I am sure that he knows that if the car preheats the battery and he charges only when down to around 15% then he will see the fastest charge rates. Just like filling up a jug of water, when it's emoty you fill up really fast but as it gets fuller you tend to slow up.

that's the sort of hours the Army operate to for safety reasons, a break every two hours in order to void fatigue. Soldiers aren't generally nervous drivers 🙂

I observed to my son tonight while sitting at a set of lights that there had been quite a change. At the front of the queue, a Tesla Model Y, then a Cupra Born, then a Volvo EV (sorry they all look the same so not sure which one) , then us, behind us a Zoe and then a Model 3. That was just at one junction. To say there are hardly any EVs around is just not real in my experience.

I have a diesel as well as an EV. I rarely use the diesel on long trips as it means as extra stops are needed (we need the usual comfort breaks and food stops but in the diesel we need to make fuel stops on top). Last week I took the diesel on a trip down South and I had to fuel up. From the point where I leftthe Edinburgh bpyass, got to costco (the first filling station I passed) filled up and got back on the bypass it was 25 minutes. This idea that you take 5 minutes is for the birds

The video of the full day is here now https://youtu.be/va3qLlGc_6I?si=Yp2xf0VHNjiCiDYs

hard to tell on this thread when someone is being serious or whether it's just their tin foil hat impacting onthe message

this wasn't somethign the battery team, the software team or the designer of the EVs could comment on

as a you tuber who often does pieces to camera, it's just like having a conversation with a passenger. Presumably you're not proposing we all take a vow of silence when we sit in the car? I use a voice command to start the camera and then I speak. Simple, and the camera is usually in the panoramic glass roof so obscuring only my view of the heavens

I see somene else has already referred you to the UK insurance data, there is alo data from Bedfordshire fire and rescue which shows that some 1898 fires in 2019 were from petrol and diesel vehicles and 54 were from EVs. Another study by the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency found that EVs are 20 times less likely to catch fire than ICE cars. An additional study by that agency and an American insurer found that just 25 out of 100,000 EVs suffer fire damage. By comparison, 1530 per 100,000 ICE cars experience fire, and hybrid vehicles suffer a much higher risk of 3475 per 100,000. I don't expect any of this will persuade you though because you apparently have knowledge of some supposed corruption of everyone from the firefighters through to the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency.

https://youtu.be/va3qLlGc_6I

Including the new Elroq https://youtu.be/va3qLlGc_6I

it's not just claimed, it's based on data from the insurance industry

I think the problem would be that by the time you put all the battery under the floor then you end up with something that looks like the Enyaq estate.

sorry I forgot to check back here so didn't see this. I will send it in by email though

I was invited by Skoda to join them on the weekend just gone. Some fascinating discussions, some things I cannot yet share, and lots of foootage to come, including testing the Elroq. I have seen the car without camouflage and it is really good - but they took our cameras away. More to follow but in the meantime.....https://youtu.be/GIfDVofcldE