Graham Butcher

@wyx087 I'm not taking your baiting, no matter what I say or video presenters say, or links from various media have to say, you always have to try and discredit them. I'm done with this constant battling when no battling needed to be done. No doubt you will once again want the last word, so feel free.

Just to clarify for anyone who has branded Geoff Thompson from the Geoff Buys Cars YT channel as a EV hater, then this video he put out 6 days will hopefully demonstrate once and for all, that is BS, at 1:43 in this video he clearly states that he hates all new cars, he likes old cars. This also shows those that thought his comments in the other video regarding touch screens were anti EV, he was not referring to EV cars, but all new cars where this appears. You also remember I also mentioned that touch screens are just as distracting as using a mobile phone in a car while driving. He is like me and so many YT presenters not anti EV, contrary to what many people think, but are simply asking the "what if" type questions about what is a fairly new technology that has already demonstrated has a nasty side to it under certain conditions. Not a single person here can say that when they drive an ICE vehicle, are buying into a fledgling new technology with many unknowns. The internal combustion engine has been around since 1893 History of the internal combustion engine - Wikipedia, and so we already fully understand its good and bad points, whereas with EVs in of its formats, that journey has only just begun. Anyway, back to the topics raised in the video, here are the links to the topics he covers, (and as this was a video that he had time to fully prepare for, he also provided the links on his video, unlike his one regarding the runaway MG. Police launch probe after car explodes on driveway setting fire to home - Liverpool Echo Tesla Megapack Catches Fire In Australia, Continues To Burn Under Supervision (msn.com) Huge explosion ‘fuelled by EV batteries’ rips through airport killing boy, 15, & injuring 163 in blast felt for 20 miles | The Sun BYD & UzAuto to build EV factory in Uzbekistan | electrive.com Car dealer Pendragon to open flagship BYD showroom on up-market Mayfair square – Car Dealer Magazine

@wyx087 Oh dear once again, you're proving the points I raised, if you really cannot see that this was a fast moving story so there was no time for him to provide his usual links to the article, then I'm sorry that you cannot see that. Also you're now forming your own opinion on what precisely happened and presenting that here as if you are the authority on what happened. You do not know for sure what happened and neither do I, but I'm not claiming that it was as it has been portrayed. No doubt we will find out what happened in time, just as we will about the fire on board Fremantle Media, until then its is just guess work and a load of noise. All I had to say about the incident is here and I quote, "Has anyone seen this problem with MG EV's at all or know of anything similar happening to other EV's?" A simple question, that has now been blown out of proportion.

Here is hopefully some good news for motorists of all types of propulsion and there is a special section dedicated to EVs in particular help to those people without off-street parking etc. As it has become abundantly clear that lots of people will not watch videos (poor souls) to save them having to watch what is a long video, but one that I feel is worth a watch, I have also provided a link to the freshly published proposed UK Government plan to help the motorist and to kerb some of the powers that local authorities appear to be abusing with LEZ, LTN, blanket 20mph speed limits, parking enforcements, yellow box enforcements, 15 minute cities / zones etc, all of which cause many people, in fact according to UK gov own figures, the majority of people do not want them. Anyway to avoid those poor souls who object to watching the videos and then digging around to find the data that the presenters often provide links, I have provided it also for you to look at the government report, all 25 pages of it are in pdf format and a link to the UKgov site to also provide proof positive that it is not fake news. The plan for drivers - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk) the-plan-for-drivers.pdf

Well, have you seen the links that @toot has posted, not only is it in the national press but also on BBC news http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67005620, you just need to slow down a bit on the trigger finger then, not everything reveals itself quickly. Now I have been watching that particular YT channel for some time and I have yet to find anything on there that can be called pure BS or just crap journalism designed for pure clicks in order to raise revenue, some things are by their very nature slow burners and if you weren't so biased, you would see that almost every time he posts something like this, he posts links to where you can actually find the information, included ones from the UK Government, however unpalatable that maybe, but it is a fact. I think you will find that this story broke before he could do his normal linking to the information, as he often stops and goes live with a story after he has done his due diligence.

This video that toot posted is not telling the truth, the presenter is claiming that when its really windy in Scotland that they produce too much power and the cables that run to areas like London cannot handle that amount of power, and so they have to pay some windfarms to switch off and fire up power stations nearer to London etc which is where the biggest demand is. Now this is an example of a little knowledge being dangerous as is partly true and a lot of BS and like so much of what the main stream media puts out for us is just what certain people(s) want us to believe is the truth. The real truth is that winds above a certain speed can actually do damage to wind generators, and so they feather the blades so that they do not rotate in excessive blades, it is far cheaper to fire up a gas fired powered stations nearer to the point of demand, then it is risk damage to the windfarms which would result in massively expensive repairs and lost production. All the output from windfarms being connected to cable will not cause damage to the cable, the voltage being applied remains the same regardless of the number of generators connected. The cable does have a maximum amperage rating however and loading it higher than its rating will risk damaging the cable which is also extremely expensive. So the fact that they are having to fire up alternative power stations closer to London area is either because the number of wind generators connected to that cable are incapable of providing enough power, or is that London is suffering a higher demand than normal. But if they are switching off wind generators, then the real reason is the former. That means because the winds are some parts of Scotland are too high to risk running the windfarms, so the amount of power going into the cable is reduced so the London area has to bring online extra power sources locally to make up the power to keep everything going. Why are there wind turbines stopped if there is wind (endesa.com)

I think you are just as guilty of making a sweeping generalisation, I don't think you will find if you play his video that he claimed that all EVs were like that and as I have already pointed out, there are some touch controls on my 2016 ICE Superb and wyx087 also posted photo of a Mercedes-Benz S class with touch screen for almost everything. It is usually people who have either an EV or some form of hybrid who always are prepared to jump in with both feet and rubbish any presenter who does not 100% share your passion, and so often this appears to be without watching the video or listening to what they have to say. When you or others post videos here, they are ones that fall into line with your own opinions, but do you find me trying to belittle and rubbish those presenters? No is the answer, I do generally watch them and If I don't watch them I don't pass any comment, good, bad or indifferent. I always have an open mind to new ideas and willing to see new opinions and sometimes I do actually learn something, its just a shame that others don't have an open mind as well.

No real sign of him crashing into the police van though, so they must have closely matched their speeds to bring him to a safe stop.

I don't really know, others have also reported similar issues and reported it to MG with hardly any reaction, allegedly. No doubt all will be revealed in the fullness of time, in the meantime, all we ever do at times like this is to wait but be aware that problems have been reported.

My TomTom has to be plugged into a computer with internet connection and download the updates and then install it which takes a while to complete. The cars built in satnav updates from SD cards, onto which you have downloaded the updates.

At last we have the problem solved, it seems that on many things we do often agree about, but where the problems arise is, as I have long thought was the case, is because you simply are not prepared to watch the short video I posted (strange then that you also posted recently a video that was 33 minutes long and another that was 10 minutes long and no description, so how come you don't take your own advice then?) In short, if you can't be bothered to watch the video or the topic of the video is not interest to you, then just don't pass any comment on it and we will get on far better. It does come across as you feel you have to defend EV's and, whereas other members will realise that I don't currently have an agenda against EV's at all, I also have moan ups about ICE cars. What gripe I do have with EV's is about the lack of fore thought that has/is being given to ensure that people will not be disadvantaged by switching over to them, which is not the case as it stands today and it would seem that the government have also arrived at the same conclusion hence the delay till 2035 and it might well be kicked down the road again.

Yes, I know there are plenty of cars I can use, I'm happy to continue with my Superb for the rest of my days, but I have even pointed out in another post that it is less than perfect as to make or end a 100% hands-free phone call I have to do it via the central touch screen. On my old mk2, I had dedicated buttons right there on the steering wheel so no need to take my eyes of the road at all. Not sure what you're trying to say about your Sony Xperia, it was a touch screen the last time looked at them, is yours not a touch screen then?

Yes, I know that there are some top end luxury ICE models etc that also have these large central touch screens, but I was talking about the comments that were mentioned in that video, which I agree with. Are saying that it is not a problem using a touch screen whilst driving, then. I also mentioned using your mobile phone (mostly all touch screens) as a satnav but get caught touching it, and you have a fine, even if it is not handheld but in a cradle I think? So if that's true, then what is different.

At least you have admitted that multiple failures can occur, but such incidents are rare, and therefore can and have happened, so that's a step forward to actually admitting that there may be a problem. I have never said that there was a problem, you seem to have convinced yourself that I have. Since have words like "what if" or "dubious" meant it is a fact that a problem exists? If engineers never asked question like "what if" this or that were to happen, what would be the outcome of such an incident occurring, then we would be having loads of bad incidents occurring all the time, hence why we have redundancy built into many systems, because either such questions have been asked, or there has been incidents happening and lessons learnt. History shows that there have a lot of so-called safety critical systems failing and in cases of industrial accidents leading to many deaths and indeed many cases of operators and manufacturers actually knowing about major problems and have deliberately ignored the problem for years, often only coming to light after private court cases have been brought against them.

I 100% agree with that, but notice that the examples you gave all came from companies with a long history of making ICE cars, however many new start up companies to make EV's with a clean slate have apparently gone for the modern approach of having the central screen being the human/machine interface with almost if not all the functions that used to be done by switches.

@wyx087Never heard of multiple system failures then? Failures are rare just like fires but when they occur the results can be devasting. Just the same with planes crashing, very rare that happens but the consequences are bad. With control by wire there are many things that could cause problems but like plane crashes, they are rare. Also the history books are full of cover ups about events. Lessons are learnt, diesel gate is just one for instance.

I appreciate that many things on ICE cars are controlled by wire, I have experienced total loss of control over the throttle twice so far in my life, both times in a VW Passat when the throttle pedal sensor failed, on 2 separate cars and that was very frightening I can tell you, which is why I am dubious of the findings about the Chinese EV crash at speed when the computer reported that the throttle was being pressed and not the brakes. The throttle might well have been pressed and then it suffered a glitch and lost all control and the system may have frozen and failed to record that brake pedal had been pressed. My tablets at home will often lock up completely and fail to respond to any inputs and I have to resort to holding the physical power off button and then restarting it. On more than one occasion I have also had to leave it on until the battery died and could not sustain the system any longer, and this happened on a number of tablets, both Apple and Android.

I think you are all reading his videos wrong. I don't think he has ever said that he hates EV cars, what he does say is that the user interface is all wrong with everything being controlled by a touch screen that requires you to look at the screen and navigate through menus to get to the thing you wish to change. It seems that is acceptable in the eyes of the law and yet if you touch a mobile phone which requires to do the same thing, even if your just using it for navigation purposes, you could be fined. I just wish people would actually listen to what is being said.

This shows the network operators, who look after the distribution networks, the main generating companies are EDF, Centrica (British Gas), E.ON, RWE npower, Scottish Power and Southern & Scottish Power.

@wyx087 You really cannot help your self, in the first and last post of mine that you quoted I used the phrase "what if". Like it or not, things can and do go wrong and software is not infallible, and it does not always work perfectly in every instance, hence why your computer very often has updates that need to be installed, even though you may never have experienced problems on yours, but others clearly have, and some things just get covered up for all kinds of reasons, and we often only discover about such things some considerable time further down the timeline.

Oh yeah, so it was when the post office workers sent to prison for theft and fraud. British Post Office scandal - Wikipedia Some of you EV fans amaze me in the way that you always defend the EV blindly without even remotely thinking "yeah but what if" 🙄

How can you be 100% sure of these facts and also according to the MGEV owners club/forum it is not an isolated incident either, or did you miss that point in the video. So computers can never go wrong and all software can never fail or be wrong and is tested and tested under conditions so it must be right and correct at all times, right? Wrong think back to 1999 and the Post Office when loads of employees were sent to prison for fraud and theft because of faulty software British Post Office scandal - Wikipedia I just do not share your undying belief that everything is all rosy in the world and companies are all squeaky clean.

I can see the bigger picture, yes I do understand that the grid is getting greener etc, I have never denied any of this, but the fact still exists that you are so firmly entrenched in the utopia of your idyllic world where everything is smelling of roses, sun is shining and everyone is 1000% honest and when they say XYZ that they mean they will deliver XYZ and that they will also pay the suppliers of the renewable energy, that they actually do that, that cannot see the wood for the trees. What about if the entire UK customer base all decided that they wanted to only use renewable energy and signed up for it, all pay the regular £10 a month for the privilege (bearing in mind that we are in a cost of living crisis) and everyone has just cost themselves £120 less money for living on, while netting the energy companies £6.768 Billion from the 28.2 million households in 2022. There is no frigging way that the energy suppliers can honestly meet that demand for renewable energy. Do you really expect your supplier is going to say I'm terribly sorry, Mr wyx087 I'm oversubscribed on that scheme and I simply cannot in all good faith continue to accept your £10 a month subscription, and I'm also sorry but your nice new shiny EV will have to swap tailpipe emissions for remote emissions for the foreseeable future until we can get more renewable energy. Remember, these are the very same people who have been sitting on massive windfall profits and yet still say that they will have to further increase the cost of energy! Yes the government have put in place extra taxation on them, but only a nominal amount, and then turned and effectively given it back to them in the form of an energy price cap for every household in the country, regardless of their financial situation.

Has anyone seen this problem with MG EV's at all or know of anything similar happening to other EV's?

I actually worked for Halliburton at their Haverhill factory making huge cement pumps and other oil field equipment as well some special rigs designed to put out oilfield fires and I had to work as part of a special team dealing with fire equipment at times of urgent response to such disasters, and we had to do sometimes 36 of 48 hours almost non-stop shifts to get the equipment made, tested and dispatched. Edit> They wanted to take me with them when they moved, I had the choice of going up to Arbroath in bonny Scotland or going to their main factory in Duncan, Oklahoma, but I chose not to do either. I still wonder what might have happened if I had.