Graham Butcher

None of what you have said here, I have contested, apart from some people do exploit click baiting to gain views. However, it is no different to newspaper headlines, they are designed to peke one's interest enough to buy a paper and millions do go and buy a paper, do you? Advertisers do the same kind of tricks. Also, can you deny the fact Geoff Buys Cars started life as a channel about the old cars that Geoff buys and has been sort of lead down the path that you see by subscribers who could see someone who would stand up and discuss the various things that are happening in the motoring world that do not seem to be quite what the authorities are trying to portray them as. All the main stream media would not before dare to speak out for fear of being censored and punished, and we have indeed seen enough evidence of just that being done over the last few years. However, the fact still exists that like or hate him, he is what you see and nothing hidden up his sleeve, his passion is and always will be old cars. Don't believe me, go back watch some of his early videos of 3 years ago and see for yourself how he evolved to be what you seem to hate, someone who is calling for the motoring world, or rather the authorities to clean up their act.

With missing caveats, the figures are completely misleading, he does have a vested interest in portraying EVs in a positive light. A good example of media being manipulated and people not looking beyond what they are being told/shown. 🙄 See my other post above for more details.

While I do already subscribe to his channel, not everything he says, and indeed in this video, even is not without caveats, which he of course omits, as he has very clearly a vested interest in portraying EV's in a particular light, as his business is of course wrapped up in EVs. When mentions Scandinavian figures for car fires, he fails to mention of course that the comparison between the low numbers of EV fires to those for ICE cars is NOT for cars of the same age. The ICE figures are for cars that range from classic cars right through to brand-new ones, not a fair comparison then. Had in been for cars of say now more than 3 years old, then I expect that the figures would be about equal. The type of energy very seldom becomes a factor in the fire, most car fires do not involve EV batteries, diesel or petrol, it is more often than not the plastics etc used in them that is on fire, usually started by an electrical fault or an oil leak dripping onto hot exhausts or catalytic convertors. He starts off by sitting by a massive battery pack, by the same token, we all walk, by, drive by or even on occasions have driven past or even followed in proximity to these tankers carrying up to 9,660 gallons of the stuff, and how often do we hear of, or see those exploding or catching fire? So following from the post that @wyx087 made about how facts can be distorted by social media for purely economic reasons, this particular channel Electric Classic Cars shows an excellent example of a social media channel that has an obvious bias, motivated for gain. Like there are other channels that maybe for instance sponsored by large companies which have vested interests that are not flagged up as being sponsored, by sometimes there are some giveaways that this might be true. Those made by companies or organisations that have some sort of linkage via an indirect route to one that has a direct vested interest. Or a channel that is consistently putting out videos where the production has all the hallmarks of having a far bigger budget then a normal blogger channel. It is always important to try and verify the source of the info for yourself and to try to discover if the owner/presenter of the channel has any vested interest in trying to sway your decision one way or another. There are those will use sensational statements that are designed to act as clickbaits, and I can accept these as, lets be honest, are they any different to the main stream media, they're just competing for you to watch/buy their offering as opposed to what others are offering you. Nobody is going to become a millionaire from YT videos, are they?

Actually this is so true, it is very difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff. There is also another factor at play here and that some of the social media is sponsored by organisations that are trying to distort things down a particular pathway.

Yes, well it was an eye watering amount, according to what he claimed, it was a staggering 457% increase, so I expect anybody being hit with the amount of uplift in premiums would have genuine reasons to tearful. His Taycan is also a staggering 557kg heavier than the car that he will be competing against in the Lands End to John O' Groats challenge, so my money would be going on the Volvo as, don't forget for every mile the Volvo does, its weight be getting less but the Porsche will be the same.

Yep, I was always of the opinion that it was a well known fact that most men who have plenty of experience don't tend to read the manual, instead they use the experience that they have gained. It is in general the younger generation that tend to RTFM because they are still amassing their knowledge and experience of life and are like sponges, soaking up these things to gain knowledge.

True, especially as it is 336 pages long with lots of links to other pages and then more links to diagrams that may or may not be applicable to your particular model and even then not fully comprehensive as my last car was brand new, and I even ordered and collected it from the dealer when it finally here in the UK, almost months after the order, it still not reflect the all the cars equipment such as the TV, solar panelled sunroof to keep the fans running while parked in the sun etc.

Not asking you, it was a general question for anyone😉. As for leaving the keys in the car, then the automatic system does not kick in so it should be impossible to lock the keys in the car. I'll have get my spare set to test one one out.

That is what I also thought, normally if a window is open, and I want to close the window, sunroof or fold the mirrors in, then you have to press and hold the lock button on the key. On the old manual locking cars, once locked and you want to fold the mirrors, it required a long press on the lock button on the key. This one, once the doors lock, to fold the mirrors it is a quick press on the key., is this when the deadlock activates?

@J.R. If it turns out that with keyless system, the doors will eventually activate the deadlocks, then that is a dangerous situation and an accident waiting to happen. I always leave the keys in my trouser pocket and so when I go to a filling station for fuel with the family in the car and I walk away to pay at the cash desk, they could be in serious trouble if an accident happened on the forecourt. I think I will have to do some more testing of this then and maybe start taking the keys and leaving them in the car which is counterintuitive after years of having to take the keys with me in order to prevent car jacking etc.

It used to flash up on previous Superbs and Passats that I've had over the years, but there were not keyless ones, this current car is. Therefore, I was able to switch the ignition off and take the keys with me and leave my Mother in the car with the doors unlocked but unable to operate the power windows, as you would expect with the ignition switched off. I would not expect the safelock to activate automatically but as a secondary function. If I walk away, the car locks, then if I press the lock button on the fab, the mirrors fold in, and that's when I would have thought that the safelock should kick in.

@wyx087 When I pick him from work later on, I ask him to sit in the car for a few minutes and then test it again then and will report back again.

Oh dear, it's too bad that the manual does not support your claim. I have never known any car where it was possible to actually lock anyone inside a car, it makes zero sense to make a car where you could potentially kill a person simply by locking them inside, whether intentionally or by accident. The opening lever it mentions in the manual (highlighted) is the same opening lever that is used to open the door normally as well. EDIT: I just got my Son to sit in the car and close the doors, I walked away with the key in my pocket and the car autolocked as it is indeed meant to, my Son just opened the door from the inside as per usual, it is a safety thing to allow anyone accidentally locked inside a car to get out, but will not allow anyone externally to open the door without having the key with them. So your claim is well and truly busted. SUPERB DOOR LSUPERB DOOR LOCK.pdfOCK.pdf

Perhaps to aid clarification, yes I have seen you post negative, but all I have seen is when it comes to the charging aspects, infrastructure etc, not the vehicle interpretation, in as much as they try to get it to do everything for you, including operating the door catches (not the locks) so that if the car was locked, and anyone was accidentally locked in the car, especially with a keyless entry car, which will automatically lock the car if the driver has the key in his pocket, like I do, and walks away, then the car will lock itself. When I go and get a Chinese takeaway, my son comes with me, but stays in the car while walk to the shop and collect my order. The car locks with him in it by default. Would not expect for him to become a prisoner in the car if I were to meet with an accident and unable to release him. I would expect that he could just pull the door "open" lever in the normal fashion, and it would unlock to let him out and then relock once he closes the door. I will get him to try this out tomorrow and report back, if he is trapped or not, if he is then it is not a good solution, but I seriously doubt that is the case. When I was talking about having my Mother in the car while I was seeing customers had zero to do with any EV, as it was way before the Prius was launched. It was just after windows went from manual window winders to electric windows. So I could leave her in the car with her books etc, leave the car unlocked and if she wanted air she could just open the door a little a get an air current which is what I was saying to you wyx087, she had to be able to open the door as the electric windows will not work on normal cars if the ignition is witched off. Yes I do know that with a lot of EV's you can control many aspects via a mobile phone app, even in some cases get your car creep out of a tight spot if someone parks to close to you, but that comment was not relevant to my position with my mum, that was still futuristic then. 😑 I have zero idea why you always swing it round to EV's when it was nothing to do with them. Let me try and explain the door locking again, this time using my house, instead of car as an example. Sometimes I need to leave home early if I'm going a long way to attend an air display somewhere. When I leave my house with my middle Son, I don't want to leave the house unlocked with my wife and my youngest Son in bed asleep, so that anyone could walk in and burgle my house. So I put my key in the lock and lock the house, so the only way any can get in is by breaking and entering. That does not leave the rest of my family locked in the house, until I get back home in the evening, all they have to do is to twist the indoor knob on the front door and it will open, from the inside so they are not trapped, and that is exactly how I would expect any car to behave.

Read the manual that you gave me the link to and see for yourself, I did not make this up, the manual 100% says if it is equipped, that strongly suggests to me that it could and extra cost option on some cars. It also states that some Model Y cars do not come with them. https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_gb/GUID-7A32EC01-A17E-42CC-A15B-2E0A39FD07AB.html What I was saying that once you become used to using the "normal Tesla" way of opening the doors which is via push button, then that actually becomes ingrained in your memory and you instinctively continue to do so even in an emergency. Your brain does not automatically go searching your memory for something that you may have read, it will react in the same fashion as you always do when opening the door. Panic prevents you from thinking about is there another way of doing this. If you dad it on his own, it suggests that he searched for the door release and tried it and it worked. Remember this was his first time in your car. You are missing the point, I don't have a Tesla, and I did say my late Mother, so this was some years ago we would talking about Passats here with pull door releases but electric window winders, the latter will not work when the ignition is off. You are once again thinking that I'm being anti here when in fact I'm not and have never been anti EV, I have always said that the infrastructure is not in place and that I feel it is wrong to make anyone wanting a new car in 2030 (2025 as it is now) have to have an EV when there is still so much we need to learn about them and any problems that they may bring. In the case of my original question, the driver of the Telsa said he could open the door and the McMaster with his Posche EV was locked inside of his car, not because of the ignition was switched off, but because his 12V car battery that drives all the normal car functions and died and disabled the electric door latch from opening. This is your misconception of what my beef is, and that I feel is because as I said before, you always defend the EVs, you just can't help it.

It should not make any difference if Jaguar iPace is seen as a main player in the EV market or not, it is a EV and as such it should be safe and fit for purpose, regardless of if it was actually made by Jaguar or someone else, and they just put their badge on it. I also love Jaguars having driven a few of them over the years, such as the 420G and the XJ6, both very refined, comfortable and fast good-looking cars. It would seem that the video I posted a while of some Ipace cars on a transporter burning, was valid after all, as I noticed that "The Electric Viking" actually included the same video in his video, and it seems that his word is factual!

Thanks for the links, in the case of the Tesla, it does seem as if there is a manual door latch as well, however, not automatically on the rear doors, the manual reads "if so equipped" so on some models that is an optional extra, utter stupidity in my opinion. However, I still don't think Tesla have given the whole safety issue enough thought and have gone for the full on ease of control and touch / button approach as the main interface. This approach I feel could well see their cars becoming a prison for some people in the event of problems and could even prove to be fatal, not only in the case of fire, but also from suffocating from extreme heat etc as the windows are electric (as indeed most modern cars are) so in the event of having no power, its impossible to either open a door or window. OK, the manual does point out that there is indeed a manual door opening if needed, but I suggest that most people will not bother reading the manual, even if it is in the car. First thoughts in an emergency is to get out, not read the manual first. On the window side of things, I used to take my late Mother out for trips sometimes while I was working in order to give her a change of scenery as she lived on her own. While I was out of the car at customers premises, doing my job, she would sit in the car and read books etc, but with the advent of windows becoming all electric she would have to open the door and hot days to avoid overheating and to get some cooling air. In a Tesla that could have been a real problem, especially as men don't normally like to read manuals, do we? Most people would expect that the controls should be obvious to everyone, especially such a basic control as door opening, and when they see the button for door opening will not bother looking any further and will become used to the button and even if they have read the manual, I doubt that in an emergency they will remember what they read. They will be in autopilot mode and relying on effectively muscle memory to operate the door release, and will be jabbing away at the electric door control and panicking because it is not responding. And in the case of the Porsche, you are right, there is no mention of how to even open the door from the inside (in the manual) only how to lock and unlock it. It beggars belief that such a basic point can be overlooked, even in the Skoda manuals there is a drawing of the various controls on the dash and doors and what they do etc.

Why is no one talking about this, I don't recall seeing anything here about this particular problem.

@wyx087 Seeing as you are a Tesla owner, perhaps you could answer this question, is it true that everything such as door, windows etc is electrically operated and there is no manual method of easily opening a door to get in or out of a Tesla? I know that the McMaster claimed to have been trapped inside his Porsche Taycan this week when his 12V battery died, but surely nobody would be daft enough to design / build a car that could make you a prisoner in your own car when things go wrong, like in the case of the car in this video, the driver could have been burnt alive if that is true, which is precisely what he is claiming happened, and he had to kick his window out in order to escape? (140) Tesla Owner Breaks Window to Escape Before Vehicle Catches Fire in Vancouver - YouTube

Wow, what a performance, I doubt that there are many of those machines in the UK at the moment. Did you notice that the McMaster was allegedly locked inside his Taycan. His 12V battery was flat, but it seemed that it enough power to let him unlock and enter, but then would let him start or even exit the car, so I presume that the Taycan does not have traditional door handles to open the door from inside but a push button. Strange, but I'd have thought it would have been illegal to make a car that became a potential death trap like that?

In that case the best thing the RAC could do apparently is to disconnect the 12V battery and that should shut down the HV side.

Yes, I'm not surprised its like John Cadogan said, certain manufacturers will just try and see what they can get away with, like VW and the diesel scandal, they will try to cover it up if they think there is a chance to get away with it. Fords have done it in the USA as well before now.

I thought that they said that they switched on at a certain time when the cheap rate power was active, what time is that these days? I seem to recall that in the past that used to be quite late, around midnight. So if that is correct, then they had not yet flicked the switch to charge it?

Full owners manual for the Vauxhall 2022 model can be downloaded here Vivaro Life, v.5 (rev 1), en-VX (Work nr: PP-185469E_50) (vauxhall.co.uk) I tried to post as a download, but the file is too large for the forum has set a limit.

I wonder if it is the same thing as the Vauxhall Zafaira fires? Vauxhall Zafira B cars recalled again over fire risk - BBC News