Graham Butcher

True and when trains came about people did start to use them to go to other places, but they still are not the answer to dumbing down of the car, they have severe restrictions on where they can go or when they run and once the genie has been let out of the lamp, are you seriously suggesting that we go back in time and live with it?

Yes, none of the reports or consultations actually state that they are only looking at cars of the same age groups and the same number in the data set, and of course as I have previously said, not all electric car fires are started by or even involve the HV traction batteries, as they still have the same amount of 12v equipment and wiring as a normal ICE so it could well be that some electric cars have been included as the start of a fire incorrectly. Take the case of the recent fire at Lisbon airport when a Tesla was deemed by staff and witnesses to the cause of almost the entire number of cars on the top floor being destroyed. Now it might well have been a Tesla that started the chain reaction off, but the actual initial fire might have been a 12v normal electrical fire that transferred enough heat to the HV battery causing it to go into runaway. Either way, it cannot be argued that the presence of that HV battery did not make a bad situation even worse.

Yes, in fact that report does state that arson was the number 1 reason for car fires, so there is a lot of truth in what you say.

All of those people producing tables etc, from official bodies like paid for consultancies by various governments from around the world in the pursuit of getting net-zero, so the pushing of a narrative that electric vehicles is the way to achieve that and hence the big push towards a total ban on the sale of petrol and diesel cars by 2035 and in the UK, a lower date of 2030, are presenting misleading information. I have been stating for some time that I believe we are foolishly chucking everything at the electric utopia theory when it should be considered as an alternative only with a free market choice only. We should be examining other alternatives at the same time, such as reducing engine sizes in both capacity and power outputs, seeing as in most parts of the civilised world it is impossible to use the available power and performance of these big powerful engines. Seeing as this thread is all about fires and as mentioned above, we are being fed duff information, which the critical thinker should have been able to see through all the smoke and mirrors, when they come out with statements and claims that ICE vehicles are many times more likely to catch fire than electric vehicles, therefore EV vehicles are way safer than ICE ones and that I should just accept that as a true fact and that I'm a doom and gloom merchant with extreme bias against electric vehicles. To which I counter that of course there will be more ICE vehicles involved in fires because of their numbers on the road being far greater, coupled with their ages are also considerably older and older vehicles are more prone to failures of all kinds, so that kind of makes perfect sense and I always thought 10 years plus years was when they start the downward decline and becoming more likely to be a fire risk as they lose value and repair costs could be more than the vehicle is worth, so corners tend to get cut. As the vehicles gets even older, their value tends to increase and the vehicles become classics and their owners then can see that the better ones are worth spending money on and restoring them to almost new condition as they become valuable assets. This analysis of fires in parking buildings, carried out in New Zealand, nicely re-enforces the above and was pre EV vehicles, which really helps my theory. It was done from 1995 to 2003 and this link takes you to this report Analysis of vehicle fire statistics in New Zealand parking buildings - CORE Reader and the graph and data on pages 11 and 12 it clearly demonstrates that the number of fires dramatically increases when the vehicles reach 11 to 15 years old and once they get past that age they suddenly start getting to roughly the same as that of newer vehicles, which fits my theory perfectly. Now we currently do not have electric cars of that age on our roads, so when these claims that state electric vehicles have extremely low odds of catching fire when compared to their ICE counterparts, they are NOT comparing apples with apples, instead they are making sure that the net-zero narrative is not being derailed, and hoping that by the time they reach that age, that engineers will have solved fire hazards and mitigated the risks to similar levels of ICE vehicles and that includes the hazmat hazards also being contained to a similar level. I have been saying that the information being put out is flawed, and we are being hoodwinked, and we need to be aware of this ourselves.

Also the elites with more money than sense, i.e. more than likely some of the people who are shelling much money to the various thank tanks who are formulating these ridiculous policies that they are selling to the politicians and wrapping it all up as being good for the planet.

@willing991 its done well in its 23 years, RIP.

Odd that you would rather take the tube now that your EV parking perk has been removed even though you claimed the ULEZ was essential to make the air safe to breathe. The air quality on the tube is a magnitude worse than on the street 🤔

Another one of Geoff Thompsons warnings is looking like it could become a reality soon. Its the thin end of the wedge and its going to get worse still. A ban on cars will also of course include all the electric cars even with their zero tailpipe emissions, so it looks like the cleaning of the air with the LEZ zones etc was nothing more than a smoke screen it seems. South Bristol Liveable Neighbourhoods | Ask Bristol Consultation and Engagement Hub

Does the bt box need to be connected to the internet? If the TV is a smart TV, connect the Internet directly to that and access Internet services via the TV might be a solution?

I have a similar arrangement, but I use a Humax box which 2 or 3 tuners and a free view box with a hard disc recorder built in with a booster amp plugged into the aerial in a similar fashion to yours and I'm using BT internet, also plugged into the box, but also into the TV directly. I have taken the main ethernet cable into a small hub/switch for the internet network and then taken a ethernet cable from it to the TV and the box, and other cables to a Bluray player and another to internet radio and music streamer, all of which I can also tap into from desktop PC. Maybe you might need to do a similar setup?

But at the same time this site also carries this warning. And while your figures might well be true, in truth I can't be arsed to work them out, and as you say, using his figures for Australia, then why are the Australian government also pushing the same green car ideology if his figures prove the argument to be false? So yes, I did pose the question "are we all being hood winked" but that question was not "UK specific" as I don't believe this briskoda forum is just restricted to the UK is it, I mean we have members from all points of the globe, the only restriction is that all posts must be in English is that fair enough?

Ok then, following on from the very first post in this thread where I linked a Geoff Buys Cars video, I now present the latest ones that are linked to that video and for which so far no explanation has come forth. The first video. The second in the series. The third in the series. And now the fourth.

It looks like it is just legal robbery and the government are more than happy to allow this happen, it needs to be regulated.

This video has just dropped on YT, sounds about right, like Geoff Buys Cars has been claiming that we are being/have been lied to, so, are we all being hood winked??

Yesterday a Tesla Semi truck crashed into trees and the batteries went into thermal runaway and shut Interstate 80 highway down for over 16 hours with a 1 mile exclusion zone.

Just to add yet more fuel to this debate, this arrived and REGIT think an announcement is coming in the autumn budget and that it will replace VED and is expected to be around 6p per mile, so that means someone driving 10,000 miles a year would be charged £600 a year, plus unless the fuel duty is also removed ICE drivers will face a massive bill, while EV drivers will get away with yet another advantage, does not seem fair to me, but hey, let's wait for the details in the budget. There is more and evidence that this actually going to be happening and one of the first to predict this was coming, is what for and some people will probably not want to hear this because they have been extremely vocal about this person as being biased, and a conspiracy theorist and even a serial click baiter, it is....drum roll.....Geoff buys Cars, reported on this 18 months ago. So it is looking as if You Tubers might well have been telling us the truth all the time while the MSM have once again been pretty quiet on the subject. Once again time will tell us the full storey. Pay-per-mile road tax: a costly hit for rural drivers? | Regit

I expect that will charge variable rates according to type of road and time travel, so peak times will cost more to try and reduce congestion. I believe as well that it will start with EV's as ICE will still be charged via fuel duty.

My wife falls into that can of worms as well.

@Ootohere yes it was a manual version and as to small car I could fit in comfortably and drive, I really don't know the answer to that as I've always had to have a car that would carry a family around in as that family have grown, along with me growing feet (for years I was fitting into a wide size 12, but I was told I was damaging my feet). I had size 12 feet as a young teenager and that was about the biggest shoe around in those days then gradually more shoe shops stocked larger shoes, like Brantano shoe shops used to do size 13 and sometimes 14. Now my feet have spread out to size 15, and I have spend quite a bit on soft Sketchers when they occasionally get round to making a batch of larger ones, which I know have to source from Amazon, so I tend to 2 pairs at a time because they are a rare commodity, they don't come around very often. My dad always called them clown feet 😂 Hence why I have always tended to go for the larger cars but not ones with massive engines.

Top heavy.

Why won't it work in the Cotswolds and other rural areas, cameras have been seen being installed around villages etc. and has been reported on by one of the "controversial" YouTubers already.

I remember sitting in an IQ at the Bluewater shopping centre, way too small, I was rubbing shoulders with the passenger and feet didn't fit in the footwell.

Thereby hangs the problem, we often go out as a family and the wife as well, and I do have to put my seat all the way back as does the son who sits in front passenger seat. If it was just myself, then there are quite few cars that would allow me to sit comfortably behind the steering wheel until you come up my second problem, I also have extra, extra wide size 15 feet that do not fit into most cars footwell,, even with auto's there is often not enough space for my left foot to sit to the left of the brake pedal.

Well the 4 men in my family are all 6ft 4" and we are all well-built, especially myself and my eldest one, who you would not want to pick a fight with I can tell you. I did look at the Chrysler 300 and let me assure that it looks bigger than it actually is. It is an optical illusion.

Don't hold your breath on that score if any part of them or their software comes from China, then will suffer the same fate.