:munch:

mmmmm not looking good then? I'm ringing jbs back on wed to see what they make of it. Only problem is now is I'm away for the rest of week due to work, oh the joys of making pennies.

They have not said much. To be honest I'm starting to think they have just put phase 1 on it. They asked for the graph so got in touch with my mate and what I didn't know was he had a scanner so here is the graph.

The bhp should keep rising to 6500 but peaks at 5000ish then fails away. Boost is still at 1bar @ 6000rpm, :eek: that is just not good, not to mention 1.65bar at peak. Torque drops like a stone as I suspected as the turbo just will not sustain that 1.65bar.

But it's all about the on road performance. If you are happy with it why change.

The bhp should keep rising to 6500 but peaks at 5000ish then fails away. Boost is still at 1bar @ 6000rpm, :eek: that is just not good, not to mention 1.65bar at peak. Torque drops like a stone as I suspected as the turbo just will not sustain that 1.65bar.

But it's all about the on road performance. If you are happy with it why change.

Thats the problem though, I'm not happy.

With everyone saying on here that my turbo is not going to last is really freaking me out.

I'm wanting to build an engine in my shed then put it into car but build it as and when can afford it. So the potential of my turbo going pop is not good.

JBS now want to know more as the graph doesnt tell them much. So now I've gotta sort it out on vag com. The car has been back to JBS 3 times now and I'm really getting fed up (400 mile roud trip) AARRGGGHHHHHHHHHH

I had the Custom Code Phase1 remap earlier this year at JBS. I'm running Carbonio air intake, Forge TIP, Milltek 100 cel cat, blueflame exhaust. On their rollers It produced 238.3bhp at 6607rpm & the max torque figure was 223.3.

Forge TIP??? Thats alot of power is that a generic???

The car has been back to JBS 3 times now and I'm really getting fed up (400 mile roud trip) AARRGGGHHHHHHHHHH

Only a fool would keep doing that. :O:O:rolleyes:

Don't ask!!

I ran 18psi through my K03, theyre good for about 5000 miles hard thrash at that. When i removed mine it was showing signs of starting to fail with a lot of play in the shaft. My HP peaks at around 252 (crank) and torque max's at 266 at about 3000rpm. would trade some max torque to get more torque up the revs. However I'm going for uprated internals, bigger turbo and nos so no point worrying bout it at the moment. with bigger turbo I spose i wont have much below the 3500rpm mark, but the nos will kick in at 2000rpm so a bit of a trade. Before anyone comments on driveability, its my spare car and I just want to see how far i can go before it goes - bang!

Forge TIP??? Thats alot of power is that a generic???

TIP= turbo intake pipe:thumbup: yes, its the Generic phase1 remap.

Only a fool would keep doing that. :O:O:rolleyes:

Don't ask!!

Not sure what to do really. What would you suggest????

either get map removed and dont go back or just dont go back and get different map. Is whitehaven on south coast? Aps arnt far from top of a34 and very good and well regarded.

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Not sure what to do really. What would you suggest????

I would get the map tweaked or replaced. Unless you want a new turbo. Where abouts are you.

Whitehaven is on the north west coast. 10 miles north of Sellafield nuclear power station.

I'm thinking of going for the k04 turbo, changing my pistons and rods etc just could do with this turbo lasting until summer.

Also I dont know where I stand with JBS and the map, would I get my money back or some of it as the map has been on for around 3-4 months at a guess.

Its alot of hassle that I'm getting fed up with.

Whitehaven is on the north west coast. 10 miles north of Sellafield nuclear power station.

I'm thinking of going for the k04 turbo, changing my pistons and rods etc just could do with this turbo lasting until summer.

Also I dont know where I stand with JBS and the map, would I get my money back or some of it as the map has been on for around 3-4 months at a guess.

Its alot of hassle that I'm getting fed up with.

ahh other end of the country then!!! depending on how long people on here think the turbo should last id wait till the summer then go elsewhere for the k04 work. awesome seem well regarded and not too far (Manchester)

ahh other end of the country then!!! depending on how long people on here think the turbo should last id wait till the summer then go elsewhere for the k04 work. awesome seem well regarded and not too far (Manchester)

I've spoken and bought parts from awesome in the past and there service was like the name awesome only reason didn't get the map done there was that it was going to be generic and I was after more of a custom map. Just been trying to get hold of my mate to get him to sort out vag com as my version wont work with my car for sum reason. Then hopefully send reading to mike at JBS and get some answers. :confused:

it might be worth asking W Tron for a pic of his map as he iirc had a generic version of your map and had similar issues with high boost, so maybe worth comparing the differences.

did this ever get resolved?

did this ever get resolved?

I took the car back to jbs after another rolling road session at dyno demon at Chester and got the same curve on the graph. So went over to jbs and after pointing out to them this and that other graphs of the same car in there shop was totally different to mine and a argument with the owner who was so right and everyone else didn't know what they were on about took the map off and got a refund. Now the car drops boost on the standard map and I'm sick of fighting with the dam thing.

this is why i went for a APR remap, they run anit less power it seems but they run everything within non breaking limits

mine got 225 and 237lbs on a RR

:orb_rolli

it doesnt go too bad , but least its not waiting to break i hope LOL

if i remember rite they run about a bar of boost which is what? 15psi ?

i heard rumours b4 my remap about CC going for high boost

a pointless post maybe ... but i 1day i will be usefull

no LOL ok :orb_rocki

this is why i went for a APR remap, they run anit less power it seems but they run everything within non breaking limits

mine got 225 and 237lbs on a RR

:orb_rolli

it doesnt go too bad , but least its not waiting to break i hope LOL

if i remember rite they run about a bar of boost which is what? 15psi ?

i heard rumours b4 my remap about CC going for high boost

a pointless post maybe ... but i 1day i will be usefull

no LOL ok :orb_rocki

On my second rolling road the car only pulled 218.something so the stage 2 custom code is not worth the money regardless of what the so called know it all at jbs thinks. Micky mouse springs to mind.

I took the car back to jbs after another rolling road session at dyno demon at Chester and got the same curve on the graph. So went over to jbs and after pointing out to them this and that other graphs of the same car in there shop was totally different to mine and a argument with the owner who was so right and everyone else didn't know what they were on about took the map off and got a refund. Now the car drops boost on the standard map and I'm sick of fighting with the dam thing.

Its quiet possible the JBS map has already done some damage, especially if you have run it on rollers several times. Check that all the hoses are still attached properly and show no signs of leakage, and also make sure they are still in good condition and dont collapse under load. Might also be worth checking the DV and N75 valve are working correctly.

Also did the map they put back on come from your car, or is it a JBS interpretation of a standard map.

I took the dv to bits when put the green spring back in and re greased it all there were no signs of wear on the piston. I think I'll order a new standard n75 and give that a go and make a trip to skoda and get them to run a diagnostic on it.

i'll see if my oe diverter is floating about mate, if you havent ordered one il chuck it to you

i will let you know either way, it was only on the car for about 1500 miles from new

What is your IAT, EGT & EMP?

Boost pressures mean little on their own. 1.4 bar cold is better than a scorching 1.65bar.

Given that you have the stock turbo and intercooler by the look of it, I'm guessing you are running well out of the efficiency map of the compressor, at which point temp rises very sharply and gains with higher boost tail off rapidly.

Most of the mods you have are of minimal/no gain, for example 2.5" won't show much restriction on the downpipe till over 300hp. The cat and rest of exhaust will have been helpful though. The CAI, well you had one from stock - I have yet to see before and after dyno figures of any CAI offering any measurable BHP gain back to back with no other mods at the same time.

I think the bits you have done will help with spool and LET but the bottom line is that a stock turbo doesn't like going over about 210hp without being pushed well out of it's efficiency. You managed to get further, so 'well done' kind of, but I'd only give you a well done if you post some EGT's and EMP/IAT's as I suspect you have gained around 15bhp by pushing the boost and temps and EMP too far into the red.

For my money don't go chasing the top bhp figure, how often do you drive at EXACTLY 6,500rpm at WOT? Because that's the only time it counts.

If your tune and mods bring strong torque and nice smooth transition, good mpg & solid pulling power at part as well as full throttle - then you have done your job well.

Given a choce between a 250bhp motor which is laggier than stock and comes on the boost HARD just before the rev limiter, and a 200bhp car which delivers TWICE the torque of stock at part throttle/medium rev range, the latter will feed infinitely better to drive and actually be quicker in all circumstances other than dyno run shootouts/race applications.

The only way to go further is a FMIC & a bigger turbo. But being petrol, you'll struggle with low end/daily drivability being as good as stock. The only way to get over this really is staged or compound turbos, or perhaps a VNT if there is one to stand up to the EGT's of the 1.8T on song.

IMHO, Greg.

Hi there I've had the car remapped (phase 2)at JBS, good bunch of lads & very helpful. The thing is I don't Know what the power is. So today I went to local rolling road and the figures are 286.2 lb-ft, 1.65 bar boost, 225.9 bhp.

The car has larger t,i,p , induction kit, 3inch down pipe into 200cel cat then jetex, forge 007 and thermo inlet manifold gasket. To be honest I thought it would be more bhp for 1.6 on the boost, so sulking a bit. Just wanted to know what other peoples cars where making on a custom code phase 2 map.:(

I totally agree with what your saying. The whole plan of taking it to Jbs was to get it set up to run smoothly for all the bits that had been changed from standard. They did a custom map not a generic and I didn't want to go down the lines of fmic as didn't see the need to spend 800 notes just for a small increase in bhp and was not wanting to go down the route of big turbo as I've got a bike for my speed fix if you know what I mean. I didn't realise they were going to push things to over the limit but according to the owner of Jbs nobody on this site or other tuners know what there talking about when it comes to remapping these cars and there limits were within safe parameters. This is what caused the argument with him because I told him I disagreed with him.

I'm going to go back to the main dealer as the master tech there knows the car now and knows what his doing. I'll get the figures you have mentioned but I cant get it in until end of month.

I totally agree with what your saying. The whole plan of taking it to Jbs was to get it set up to run smoothly for all the bits that had been changed from standard. They did a custom map not a generic and I didn't want to go down the lines of fmic as didn't see the need to spend 800 notes just for a small increase in bhp and was not wanting to go down the route of big turbo as I've got a bike for my speed fix if you know what I mean. I didn't realise they were going to push things to over the limit but according to the owner of Jbs nobody on this site or other tuners know what there talking about when it comes to remapping these cars and there limits were within safe parameters. This is what caused the argument with him because I told him I disagreed with him.

I'm going to go back to the main dealer as the master tech there knows the car now and knows what his doing. I'll get the figures you have mentioned but I cant get it in until end of month.

I got different advice when I first went down to JBS for info about remapping. I always ask as many questions as possible If I don't understand about the subject before jumping in & having my pants pulled down, but the advice given to me by the owner himself was to go for the Generic map. I have similar mods to what you have, but he explained that I didn't have the FMIC to deal with the added increase in charge temp to benefit from the phase2 map. He told me he could do it, but without a FMIC that they wouldn't be able to tune the car to its full, but safe potential with the mods because of that reason.

Anyway I was torn between going for the APR & Custom Code map, but I opted to go for the CC phase1 map as I got it at a more reasonable price through a promotion JBS had. I've had their Generic map for a year now & TBH I'm really still happy with it, is really smooth & the car is still running fine even with plenty of spirited driving.

The standard IC even with the Generic isn't really sufficient &

I noticed on previous RR days even when standard that the bhp came down after each run on the Rollers without a FMIC as the charge temps have increased, with larger increased drops noticed as the car has been mapped & that also was noticed with the APR trial map fitted before, with a graph to prove it.

I do agree with you about spending £800+ on a FMIC is expensive, but from the help & advice from Martziniuk I'm going to fit a universal FMIC same as what he has done, just needing a warmer day now to fit it.