Just went on the whiteline website looking at bits and bobs (want a RARB).

Theyve got a great video on there website showing 2 new STi's, one with around 30% more power (i think thats what the graph showed), and the other was sporting some great whiteline arb's, links, and camber kits etc.

Hell of a video, and round the track they where on, both cars got within 1/2 a second of eachother.

Just proves that all those people that say "Dont det your car ready for a remap, just do it" may well be wrong.

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Also, just had a thought. Brentacre said I could do whatever I want to the suspension, and the price would Not change, however, a remap would shore bump it up!!

Rear antirollbar and coilys for me then.

Dave

RARB is SUCH a good mod.

The white fabia I am currently driving around a bit is actually quite unstable in comparison to the mongrel - not disastrously so, but it's like chalk and cheese for sure.

IMHO if you have a limited budget in general, going for handling mods is generally better, mechanical improvement stuff. The reason is that the stock vRS just does not handle all that well, it is fairly softly sprung, and you really have to pump the tyres up hard to make it behave reasonably.

Eibach springs/Koni FSDampers/Jabba rear ARB and a front strut worked well. Coilovers are popular too I guess.

I had uprated clutch and a Quaife ATB fitted at some stage, and that set the car up for a good bit of mapping fun - admittedly the other gear was fitted to have more fun on that front (stage 2 & FMIC)

Hi

Yes the rear ARB is a fantastic mod , I was well pleased with mine and it has been on for approx 1 year now , and it got better

I got the STR.T kit fitted to my car and it lowered it by 40mm , then the front ARB , WOW!!!!

The the wishbone bushes!!!!

Car handles extreamly well and I love my little car

I have the PD100 so it was not as low as the vRS`s and when parked here my car stood head and shoulders above the rest

But now , cracking!!!!!

Love it

Now I have Toyo Proxies on vRS alloys.......am going to cry soon , she is soooo sweet

Sarah

Hi

am going to cry soon , she is soooo sweet

Sarah

Did you forget to take your tablet this morning pet?

handling and stopping mods. should always be done before before go faster mods. are done imo.

The front ARB, what would the effect of that be Sarah, I never had one, and I have the Jabba rear ARB & the Forge front & rear struts in the estate

Considering the whole car is being rebuilt by Mr Ross himself, it may be worth knowing about what can be done there

The front one is a bit larger , so if you tighten the front up , I was told by Whiteline to stiffen the rear oooh Happy days

I have had a couple of people asking me about the Diff WW , what did you find with the diff?

Sarah

Did you forget to take your tablet this morning pet?

handling and stopping mods. should always be done before before go faster mods. are done imo.

:cry: it is because I am missing my Mark....... and it is our Anni today

Bottle O wine awaits , so should be OK later :lol:

Sarah

handling and stopping mods. should always be done before before go faster mods. are done imo.

Wise word Mr Grumpy

A well sorted car ( in the handling dept ) is worth 25 to 35 bhp of power.

Do you still have that lower strut brace ? Christmas soon and I want to treat my lovely lady.

Wise word Mr Grumpy

A well sorted car ( in the handling dept ) is worth 25 to 35 bhp of power.

Do you still have that lower strut brace ? Christmas soon and I want to treat my lovely lady.

Free to you, my good sir....

The SE is gong soon, as is the Mazda, so I will have no need for it ( as well as a garage half full of Skoda bits...... )

The Quaife = awesome

I miss that a lot, although the estate has not really got the power slide problems that the remapped vRS had hehe -

The Quaife just allows you to use the power so much sooner in corners that are a bit slippery, driving roundabouts becomes a much more fun experience

Wise word Mr Grumpy

A well sorted car ( in the handling dept ) is worth 25 to 35 bhp of power.

Do you still have that lower strut brace ? Christmas soon and I want to treat my lovely lady.

Sssh she may hear that LOL

Sarah

Free to you, my good sir....

The SE is gong soon, as is the Mazda, so I will have no need for it ( as well as a garage half full of Skoda bits...... )

OOh Mr Grumpy.......

No , that is a gem of a car why?

Sarah

OOh Mr Grumpy.......

No , that is a gem of a car why?

Sarah

The Mazda is lovely, but sooo impractical, and useless in the snow ( as I found out ) and the Mad Wife has decided she wants anither Beetle ( but a convertible this time )

This way, we still have a soft top, and something the daft dog can get in.

I have yet to decide what she is allowing me to get ( or how much money she is allowing me to spend )

something the daft dog can get in.

:eek: you cant call the Mrs that:D

So that will be another SE up for sale :( they are getting thin on the ground just now

Good luck to you whatever you get though

Oooh and keep in touch now you have our mobile numbers

Sarah

I'll throw up a contrary view (1 because because I like stirring, but 2 there are certain implications to improved handling vs improved power)

If you want to go fast around a track, then I absolutely agree get your car handling (and braking) right before you even think about increasing power.

But that is very different scenario to driving on public roads (you know, the ones we share with all the numpties out there who hardly know how to use an indicator properly, let alone drive properly).

I will give 2 examples to illustrate my point :

Lets say Joe Bloggs improves his cars handling with all the right gear and then goes out to use 95% of his new improved cornering power. Unfortunately something goes wrong (he misjudged the corner slightly, there was a bit of mud or oil on the road etc etc), what is going to happen now ? That's right, he will end up going outside his lane. If he is lucky he won't hit anything and no-one will get hurt. If he is unlucky the consequences can be dire (even fatal).

Fred Nurk on the other hand is into straight-line acceleration, so he plunks his hard-earned cash on a remap. He wants to test out his new-found power so he lines up at a set of lights on a straight road and gives his car everything it has got (ie uses 100% of his cars power and traction). It slips the tyres a bit in 1st and second, but nothing too drastic, and he gets to enjoy the feeling of extra power until he gets a bit worried about losing his licence for excessive speed, so he backs off. He does this quite a few times as the opportunity arises.

As long as Fred (with his remap) doesn't get too excited and try to go around corners too fast, I would argue that he is significantly less likely to have a "big one" than Joe (with his improved handling). This is because Fred is maintaining a much larger "margin for error" than Joe, and the likelihood of something going wrong enough to cause a crash is much lower.

It seems that Oz Insurance companies agree with me, as they don't give discounts to people who have done advanced driver training courses (as opposed to defensive driver training courses) as they are more likely to crash, and when they do there is more damage than the normal, average driver.

Note that I am discussing "enjoying" the two types of changes to a car (handling vs power) ON PUBLIC ROADS.

Flame suit on

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But - straight lines are boring.

But - straight lines are boring.

yup

and having a more powerfull car will probably tend to make you think it's a "fast" car so your entry speeds will be greater, but you don't have the stopping or cornering ability to back it up so misjudging the corner slightly, there being a bit of mud or oil on the road etc etc becomes even more dangerous?

But - straight lines are boring.

Apparently not to everyone. Some find them so stimulating that they not only do it, but they measure how quickly they can do it, and then even brag about their straight line prowess in their signature block (couldn't let that one go, it was just too easy) :P

"Official 0 to 60 mph - 5.85 seconds. Standing 1/4 mile - 14.3 seconds."

and having a more powerfull car will probably tend to make you think it's a "fast" car so your entry speeds will be greater, but you don't have the stopping or cornering ability to back it up so misjudging the corner slightly, there being a bit of mud or oil on the road etc etc becomes even more dangerous?

Your "Fred" may do that, but my "Fred" knows his limitations. Going around corners a bit fast scares him, that's why he concentrates on straight line acceleration for his kicks. I thought my examples made that pretty clear ?

Your "Fred" may do that, but my "Fred" knows his limitations. Going around corners a bit fast scares him, that's why he concentrates on straight line acceleration for his kicks. I thought my examples made that pretty clear ?

yeah, but you often find corners along/after straights and if you're going faster (with less effort) it's going to take longer to slow down, hence the faster entry speed, or you're going to end up approaching the corner really leaning on your standard brakes which isn't going to do much for you stability into and around the corner?

"Unfortunately something goes wrong (he misjudged the corner slightly, there was a bit of mud or oil on the road etc etc), what is going to happen now ? That's right, he will end up going outside his lane. If he is lucky he won't hit anything and no-one will get hurt. If he is unlucky the consequences can be dire (even fatal)"

Sounds to me like Joe Bloggs needs to know the road a bit better.

Deffo Handling before Power!!

Maybe you lot have more "interesting" roads than we have here in Oz.

The vast majority of roads here have speed limits way, way, below the speed at which cornering becomes even a slight challenge. In many cases you'd need to add at least 50% to the posted speed limit before you'd have to even think about how you are going to drive. At those sorts of speeds you will lose your licence and go to jail the first time the police catch you (and with all the various types of speed traps you will get caught if you regularly do this sort of thing).

There are a few "interesting" roads around (lots of tight turns), so some enthusiasts do go out of their way to drive on these roads. Unsurprisingly enough, these sorts of roads have a very high number of single vehicle accidents where the driver runs out of skill and ability well before he (and it is nearly always a he !) runs out of confidence. The police now conduct frequent blitzes on these roads on weekends because of the high accident rate. Sort of goes to prove my point, I think

Andypandy - are you seriously suggesting that someone who doesn't normally drive fast in the twisties (or flat-out on a german autobahn) needs a brake upgrade ? The std brakes are surely more than adequate for "normal" usage (and have sufficient power to lock up the wheels). You would only need more fade resisitance if you use your brakes pretty hard.

And Goldie Jon, if Joe Bloggs knew the road better he would be going even faster (remember, he gets his thrills from cornering near the limit). Knowing a corner intimately well won't help you if there is mud or oil (or diesel) spilt on the surface - it is no longer the corner you know, even though it looks exactly the same as the last 100 times you went through. That is my whole point - cornering near the limit leaves you with a much smaller margin of error in case something goes wrong.

Or just do a bit of both?

Made sure to put a whiteline anti roll bar, strut brace and 312mm brakes on my furby before mapping.

Total cost didn't break the bank, about £400, but the different is phenomenal.

Maybe you lot have more "interesting" roads than we have here in Oz.

I'm sure you have some interesting roads in OZ.,

heres my favorite and its on my commute too : http://briskoda.net/driving-touring-routes/scotland-a817-loch-lomond-garelochead-glen-fruin-road/120566/

and one or two others in the reviews section.

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