At the moment i am running my E30 M3 as a daily car, thus far my costs have been:

Fabia 1.4TDi - lower purchase price, much the same car...

Rob.

1.9 tdi - a bit more to buy, little more to run, but a lot more fun to modify.

Fabia 1.4TDi - lower purchase price' date=' much the same car...

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I'd argue that if you were thinking of the Lupo purely as a means of transport, get a smart fortwo, and benefit from a lower purchase price and lower depreciation. If you actually want a useable car, go for the Fabia - as Rob says, plus with a decent boot and useable rear seats.

I want a small, very economical run of the mill car, no mods just a means to an end with reliability

http://www.volkswagen.net.r66.co.uk/carview.aspx?id=500405131&centreid=419451&searchtype=Search

Smart diesel like Rob's would be the way to go

Small? check

Economical? check

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Job's a good un.

I want a small, very economical run of the mill car, no mods just a means to an end with reliability.

....What about a SEAT Arosa either 1 litre engine or diesel version same platform as Lupo but for less money?

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Oooh, get you... :gay: :P

Smart turbodiesel is pretty cheap to run if you do plenty of miles to recover the cost of getting a diesel engine, but it only comes in LHD, main dealer servicing isn't cheap and you're a bit limited to which tyres you can get for it (ie. costs almost as much for a new set of rears as all 4 tyres on my Octy).

Of course, there are ways round all of these, and with Grp 2 insurance and excellent fuel economy you can recover the difference easily enough.

I've had about 100mpg out of it (374km on about 10 litres!), though typical day-to-day driving I get about 75-80mpg.

Petrol version has a turbo, so you *will* rag it, and your economy won't be stunning...about 30-40mpg.

Daewoo Matiz/Kia Picanto are both cheap to run, but don't think you can get diesel so it'll add up over high miles.

You could probably get a second-hand CityRover *really* cheap too..

Rob.

Well an rare occasions i take the kids out in my car and will need 4 seats, and the ride on the smart is meant to be shocking anyway, as for the arosa i have looked at them and they are quite basic in comparison grey cloth which is nasty no ABS and actually rarer than a LUPO - !

....What about a SEAT Arosa either 1 litre engine or diesel version same platform as Lupo but for less money?

Quick look on Autotrader brings up 10 Arosas near you (assuming you live near the garage that that Lupo was at. None for more than

what about a new citroen c3 1.4 diesel?

pros:

good write ups, nearly 70mpg combined/high 50's urban. lots of space with good boot. internet brokers offering new for

Arosa's are rarer, cheaper and look better than the Lupo, therefore depreciation should be much less. I don't think the Arosa TDi's available anymore. The interior on the Arosa Sport is quite nice, with a nicer looking dash than the Lupo's. Performance wise (the 1.4 16v) is OK, but fuel economy isn't great.

If you're looking at a Lupo, then I'd seriously reconsider and go for an Arosa instead. For the equivalent model, you're paying about

Erm - i have owned a Citroen SAXO VTR since 10-10-02 i bought it brand new, UK supplied from Dixons in doncaster for

Oh, by the way...since when was the Lupo "much the same car" as a Fabia...?

Same engine, similar running costs...I'm not going to bore the poor chap with details of platform underpinnings...

Rob.

Sister is selling a seat Aroso, 1l I think. Its a sport model. 52 plate.

Very low mileage.

1 Carefull sister owner from new.

Don't think she wants much for it either.

Drop me a PM if you don't mind baby-blue!

Erm - i have owned a Citroen SAXO VTR since 10-10-02 i bought it brand new, UK supplied from Dixons in doncaster for

Same engine' date=' similar running costs...I'm not going to bore the poor chap with details of platform underpinnings...

Rob.[/quote']

OK. Fair enough...the same way as a Vauxhall VX220 Turbo's much the same car as a Zafira GSI?

OK. Fair enough...the same way as a Vauxhall VX220 Turbo's much the same car as a Zafira GSI?

No, one's a stripped-out roadster, one's a people carrier. Both the Lupo and Fabia are small economical shopping cars, and so suitable for the required task... :P

Rob.

No' date=' one's a stripped-out roadster, one's a people carrier. Both the Lupo and Fabia are small economical shopping cars, and so suitable for the required task... :P

Rob.[/quote']

Except the Lupo hasn't got a boot to speak of, and the Fabia, although not as cavernous as an Octavia, has...

Except the Lupo isn't a comfortable motorway car, and the Fabia is...

Except the Lupo is a good city-car and the Fabia's just a little too big and heavy on the juice...

My point being that you said the Lupo and Fabia were virtually the same car...which is obviously a load of bolleaux...

My point being that you said the Lupo and Fabia were virtually the same car...which is obviously a load of bolleaux...

No, I said they were "much the same car"...as in they're both small economical cars, sharing the same engine and probably the same gearbox/clutch, and they're made from the same parts bins so switches, etc will probably be fairly similar, as will overall build quality.

I'd say that's a fair bit which is the same, and, as I reiterate, they're both small economical cars, I'd say that's fair ground for using a shorthand expression of "they're much the same cars".

I'd also disagree on all your points about the Fabia not having a small boot (it does), about it being a good motorway car (too much road noise), and about it not being very good round the city (any courtesy car I've had will happily nip round Manchester on fumes).

I don't really understand why you're getting so upset about it...

Rob.

No' date=' I said they were "much the same car"...as in they're both small economical cars, sharing the same engine and probably the same gearbox/clutch, and they're made from the same parts bins so switches, etc will probably be fairly similar, as will overall build quality.

I'd say that's a fair bit which is the same, and, as I reiterate, they're both small economical cars, I'd say that's fair ground for using a shorthand expression of "they're much the same cars".

I'd also disagree on all your points about the Fabia not having a small boot (it does), about it being a good motorway car (too much road noise), and about it not being very good round the city (any courtesy car I've had will happily nip round Manchester on fumes).

I don't really understand why you're getting so upset about it...

Rob.[/quote']

Not, really. Just looking for an argument...

In most of the road tests i've read, Skodas build quality, seems better than VW's.

Jonno.

Smart diesel...Village People Appreciation Society Approved? check

And would you believe it...the new tax disc for it is *pink*..

Rob.