Scrappage allowance

[Mr Ree]

Been much talk in the media regarding this idea lately, but some manufacturers are already running their own scheme.

Citroen have just introduced a tierd scheme, depending on the age of your car and what you're purchasing, ranging from from £500 to £2000.

Vauxhall dealers here in the N.W. are currently waving £1000 off the price of selected new cars, regardless of the condition of your old banger, regardless meaning good bad or indifferent

This was brought home to me last week, when I was in a Vauxhall main dealership, and noticed a half decent and tidyish looking T reg Yaris.

Thought to myself that that would make a nice little project for my son to clean up and sell, to add to his funds towards his first car purchase.

Mint inside and out. Just needed a good polish being red.

Errr, no. Went in and asked about it, and they told me, yes, it's actually quite a nice little car, runs well. got mot, service history, 2 owners from new, but unfortunately, it's going to the crusher later on today as we've had to sign a certificate of destruction to obtain the £1000 allowance for the new car that its owner has purchased.

Before I'd had chance to catch my breath, in walked the scrap merchant asking for its keys to take it away.

I went out and their was his transporter with a 51 reg Rover 25, Y reg Ka, and an 02 plated Nissan Tino already loaded and heading for death row.

What an absolute waste.:rotz:

[Wild Woods]

What's the betting some of these old bangers will end up back on the road once they have been through the scrap dealers hands.

[Mr Ree]

What's the betting some of these old bangers will end up back on the road once they have been through the scrap dealers hands.

Well I don't know what the fiddles are, or if indeed their are some loopholes to be exploited, but the dealers are most adamant that they CANNOT be sold on under any circumstances whatsoever. The certificate of destruction copy has to be handed to the customer, and they (the dealer) have to send the V5 off to DVLA informing them that the car has been scrapped.

Anyway, I believe Japan see much newer cars being scrapped due to their extremlely tough MOT laws.

[Dr Zoidberg]

I'm half tempted to buy an old banger from the local paper and just park it up somewhere for a month or two.

[Mr Ree]

I'm half tempted to buy an old banger from the local paper and just park it up somewhere for a month or two.

Why's that then, or are you going to turn it into a 'stinger' p'raps?

[Dr Zoidberg]

Why's that then, or are you going to turn it into a 'stinger' p'raps?

Hehehe , no , I'm considering changing my car at the moment and if this scheme comes in then an extra £2k discount would be *very* handy.

Once it's announced then the price of old cars will go right up so it makes sense to buy one now and sit on it. If it doesn't end up happening then I wouldn't lose much (if any) money on it.

[apd007]

I thought the government were adamant they were not going to bring in an official scheme like this?

Then again, with this bunch of clowns who knows.

[VWD]

British gas did something like this advertising £100 for you're oldboiler , and suddenly there was a rise in battered hubbies,who just mentioned it in passing

[anewman]

How wasteful and damaging to the environment. Although the Government and Car Mfr's would like you to believe replacing an old car for a new one is great for the environment, the reality is the amount of energy expended in making a new car, and destroying the old one, means running the old car for many years is more environmentally friendly.

Unfortunately I think most of the hardened Eco Warrior/(the ones that are pretty much almost terrorists) don't really know or give a crap either way on issues such as this.

If the Government takes up the idea like all the newspapers have suggested they will - I doubt it will be long before us net users hear about a rare car in great condition destined for the scrappers.

[Mr Ree]

If the Government takes up the idea like all the newspapers have suggested they will - I doubt it will be long before us net users hear about a rare car in great condition destined for the scrappers.

Not a particulary great car granted, but the Vauxhall dealer was telling me about an old guy that came in to p/x his K reg Cavalier that he'd had from new. Very low mileage and in absolutely mint condition. Back seat looked as though it had never been sat on. A well looked after and highly specced up version apparently.

They manged to 'nick' the 'mint condition' original alloys off it before the oily grim reaper arrived with his one eyed Alsation.

Even the salesman was gutted seeing such a clean and genuine example going to the crusher. :rotz:

[mannyo]

As I have said in other threads on this subject, this idea swings in roundabouts.

Most people who own old cars that will fall into this scheme, will not want to buy new as they could not afford it. To get credit on a car they would have to pay huge apr putting them heavily in debt.

The cost to the taxpayer is huge, in Germany alone taxes have risen dramatically to pay for their scheme.

The environmental impact needs seriously looking at. We dont have the infrastructure to deal with the potential number of cars being scrapped, this will mean fields full of old cars rusting away until they are eventually scrapped.

The scheme will do nothing to the UK car market, nearly all the cars sold in this country come somewhere else in from the EU. So we pay more taxes and other EU countries benefit.

Dealer discounts will all be dry up, as the discounts are based on RRP on the road and not discounted prices. Chances are you could negotiate a better deal without scrapping an older car.

[Mr Ree]

As I have said in other threads on this subject, this idea swings in roundabouts.

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Sorry. Has this been discussed before in here?

[mannyo]

Sorry. Has this been discussed before in here?

Indeed

http://briskoda.net/general-car-chat/bounty-cars-over-9-years-old-buy-new-environmentally-friendly-one/136933/

[Babs]

Another kitty dies..

[Mr Ree]

Another kitty dies..

Sorry about that, but can't stand cats anyway tbh.

Bit difficult knowing whet's been discussed in here when you've only just joined though, and I'm NOT doing a search first prior to every thread I decide to post.

[VWD]

How wasteful and damaging to the environment. Although the Government and Car Mfr's would like you to believe replacing an old car for a new one is great for the environment, the reality is the amount of energy expended in making a new car, and destroying the old one, means running the old car for many years is more environmentally friendly.

Unfortunately I think most of the hardened Eco Warrior/(the ones that are pretty much almost terrorists) don't really know or give a crap either way on issues such as this.

If the Government takes up the idea like all the newspapers have suggested they will - I doubt it will be long before us net users hear about a rare car in great condition destined for the scrappers.

And since when has this lot in power done anything either sensibly (or without an ulterior motive).

Could be it's doing something for doing's sake( i.e the non sensible approach0 ,

Or perhaps it's a way of getting non ECU controlled cars off the road( thinking about control technology etc) ,or making them horribly expensive .

Or perhaps the evidence of their previous actions.............................................

[foureyes]

I'm half tempted to buy an old banger from the local paper and just park it up somewhere for a month or two.

I read the small print on the Citreon ad and you have to have been the registered owner for a year... and if the Government have any sense they'll do the same thing.

[robmawer]

Although the Government and Car Mfr's would like you to believe replacing an old car for a new one is great for the environment, the reality is the amount of energy expended in making a new car, and destroying the old one, means running the old car for many years is more environmentally friendly.

I'm not sure how you can justify calling such a simplistic argument a "reality"...especially when it's not true.

New cars (comparable to their equivalent predecessors) produce less toxic emissions and particulates - if all the old cars in a city centre were replaced with new equivalent models, the air quality in that city would improve immediatedly. The environment would be improved.

Yes, it uses energy to produce those new cars - but energy itself is not a measure of environmental impact, a car factory could be powered by renewable energy sources with no emission by-product. So it's something of a non-sequitur to claim that new cars are better the environment based purely on the manufacturing energy consumption, at least not without backing it up with some facts and figures.

Rob.

[Phil-E]

But there are also other factors to consider when manufacturing a car such as the manufacture of all the plastics and metals (uncluding mining for the metals and oil etc) and then transporting all this to the car plant.

It seems a shame to scrap decent and usuable cars.

There have been schemes in america (featured on TopGear) where you donate your car to needy people (who have lost their cars in natural disasters etc). Surely that is better than just srapping it!

Phil

[WW_VRS]

It is all very well saying they produce fewer emissions, but how about this:

I have a Seat Marbella now. It's done less than 30k. It is an OLD car. It runs on unleaded, dont think it has a cat converter though. It runs probably 50mpg if I dont trash the cr*p out of it.

The insurance is cheap. Parts are cheap. Hell even the fuel is cheap. Servicing is cheap. Tyres are cheap.

New car - servicing is bl*dy expensive. Tyres are likely to be more expensive. There is loads more to go wrong as everything is controlled electronically and there are generally a fair few electric motors and so forth adding to the weight (and yes, safety too).

The cost to the environment of making the vehicles, shipping them to the UK, and the pollution that alone causes, is massive.

The real reason is to prop up the car industry and their suppliers. There is some benefit in that. Also there is definitely a benefit to the environment if the new car is used 'a fair bit'. New cars are much better on emissions generally.

The financial argument is the one that will cause the most problems though. If a car is not worth a certain amount, it will get used as a trade in (hopefully). But what about those who can hardly afford a car. Will this system be changed to force people to get rid of their old bangers?

[VWD]

But what about those who can hardly afford a car. Will this system be changed to force people to get rid of their old bangers?

Problem for the Gov't mounts by the day .Years ago they (strangely enough -Labour)propped up BL/BMC -using the excuse that the economy might as well pay BL as mop up the extra dole money .

Now they're propping up the banks ,and now the car makers - what next - I suggest some reading of what's happening in the rail industry .(Network Rail are defering work - it has been suggested that this is to reduce costs )

Perhaps New Labour has returned to Socialist roots (and beyond ) ---isn't that how Eastern bloc countries used to be run - the state funded everything ?:D

[anewman]

at least not without backing it up with some facts and figures.

Argument works both ways. I've seen no figures proving it does less harm to the environment. Depends on whether you see it as guilty before proven innocent or vice-versa The only way we'll ever know for certain is if companies are forced to monitor carbon output - and they do so diligently.

And if we're playing the Eco card, then why not let us put the £2k towards a push bike?! £2k would buy a nice bike. There's got to be loads of people for who trading up to a bicycle would be a viable option.

I'll get myself one of these Extended Life Vehicle stickers from retro rides forum

Edited 15 April, 2009 by anewman

[WW_VRS]

Well let's just say they sure aren't helping me to survive at the moment, credit card rates are scandalously high when compared to base rates.

I had to really stop myself from shouting abuse at RBOS this morning. Bl*dy automated diallers. Step out of a meeting to answer it to find 'no one is available to speak with you, we will call you back' message :mad: - then again about 10 mins later, and again another 10 mins later. Issue was resolved but maddening it was for sure.

[fattybacon]

On the eco angle, true it costs a lot to produce a car but the problem here seems to be that there is a glut of cars already made, sat in huge car parks, that no-one wants. Skoda were offering the 15% deal on cars made before week 5/2009 so they must have a shed load to shift.

This scheme would help get the Honda workers in Swindon back, likewise in Sunderland where they have cut Nissan shifts. Just run it for 6 months.

[robmawer]

It is all very well saying they produce fewer emissions, but how about this:

I have a Seat Marbella now. It's done less than 30k. It is an OLD car. It runs on unleaded, dont think it has a cat converter though. It runs probably 50mpg if I dont trash the cr*p out of it.

So...basically it's producing more harmful emissions than a newer car? Thus reducing air quality, making the environment in which you live worse, contributing more to respiratory conditions, etc.

Rob.