So I took the day off work on Friday and drove down to JKM.

Had a 'before' power run - so TBE, CAI and Bluefin stage 2 - made 251.2 bhp on the rollers. Not blown away as I've seen people get 260 with this setup, but not bad.

JKM then stuck the S3 intercooler and Autotech HPFP on while I wasted the day shopping in Portsmouth, I got back and applied the Bluefin stage2+ map, got the car back on the rollers.

Got a gain of 0.1 bhp... Yes, it made 251.3 so for all intents and purposes exactly the same. Power and torque almost identical to the first run, fueling was higher.

Friendly chap on the dyno (who, incidentally, has just ordered a brand spanking VRS FL and is planning on popping a K04 on it) thought I may have loaded the same software on the car by mistake.

I thought this might be possible, as when loading the stage2+ file onto the handset the bluefin desktop software kept giving errors, but it eventually seemed to finish loading.

I'm now sure this isn't the case however. Originally, superchips mailed me 1 file which contained my original stage1 and the new stage2 and stage2+ files.

When I put the stage2 on the car, a DTC error was being thrown and the ECU light was showing on the dash. Superchips then emailed me a new, standalone stage2 file which sorted the ECU light and has been on the car ever since.

So to get the stage2+ file on the handset, I had to load the original multi-map back onto the handset and stick the stage2+ on the car - the reason I'm now sure the stage2+ has been loaded is that my ECU light is on once more I haven't checked to see if it's the same error, but I will do tomorrow.

My thoughts are therefore either:

a) The Superchips stage2+ remap is rubbish

Superchips originally emailed me the wrong map

c) As the car went on the rollers 30 seconds after the map was loaded, the ECU hadn't adapted to it at all

d) There's something up with the car.

I'm currently working on 'c' as a theory. Having made the trip back from Portsmouth to Bristol, I took the car out on a 40 mile round trip as I met up with some friends and it definitely felt more lively than it did before, but I don't know if that's just me willing it to be. It's quite hard to test, as traction in 2nd gear is impossible and you need a good stretch of road to give gears 3/4/5 a good blast.

However, I know nothing about this ECU adaptation malarkey. Would I really see no difference on the rollers? While I wasn't necessarily expecting a massive increase in BHP, I thought the whole point in fitting the HPFP was to see mid-range gains in torque due to the extra fueling available, but the graphs are literally identical.

I'll upload if/when we're allowed to.

Back the my usual daily 80 mile commute tomorrow so I'll see how it drives then. I've emailed Superchips to get their thoughts (plus a new file to deal with the ECU light).

Anyone have any thoughts?

Finally, I went out with my wife and daughter earlier on to pick up a christmas tree. Going round a roundabout, a Citroen Berlingoe cut ahead of me into my lane and scraped the back of his car against my near side front. Scraped and slightly creased the wing, with damage to the paintwork on the bumper.

Sigh. Pulled into a layby and, having inspected the damage and informed him I'd need to make a claim, he basically said "you can claim what you like I'll just say you were in the wrong lane".

Ending with a postive, glad the site is back and looking excellent

Timmy I would speak to Superchips first thing. It doesn't sound like you have been sent the right map.

As for adaption well if you have just reflashed the ECU it is going to be very keen and eager to find out about its new surroundings. So once again I would question the map.

Sorry to hear of your coming together.

Slightly off topic how come the Autotech pump?

Edited 6 December, 200916 yr by Hedge

Did you check your rail pressure before, did you actually need the auotech?

I would imagine the ecu would adapt very quicky to a certain extent and there should have been concidereable gains. It's quite cold today so maybe the intercooler wasn't needed today?

Sorry to hear about the accident, there are some real Idiots out there :(

Edited 6 December, 200916 yr by martziniuk

250 from stage 2 is not that bad TBH. redrobins stage 2 revo GTI makes 245bhp consistently on JKMs rollers. His only stage 2 mods are a miltek TBE and Neuspeed discharge and INtercooler pipes.(obviously add an intake and then your looking between 250-260BHP)

Friendly chap on the dyno (who, incidentally, has just ordered a brand spanking VRS FL and is planning on popping a K04 on it) thought I may have loaded the same software on the car by mistake.

I thought this might be possible, as when loading the stage2+ file onto the handset the bluefin desktop software kept giving errors, but it eventually seemed to finish loading.

I'm now sure this isn't the case however. Originally, superchips mailed me 1 file which contained my original stage1 and the new stage2 and stage2+ files.

When I put the stage2 on the car, a DTC error was being thrown and the ECU light was showing on the dash. Superchips then emailed me a new, standalone stage2 file which sorted the ECU light and has been on the car ever since.

I dont think you can load the same map. If you have the same map on the handset it will only give you the option to remove bluefin. If you have a different map it will give you the option to upload bluefin. Did the same with mine mate, had to reload it down from the net before i could upload it.

a) The Superchips stage2+ remap is rubbish

Sort of agree, although not rubbish, you just expect more, as i know you do to as you mentioned before you wernt to happy. Its not rubbish, its just not 100% (250bhp is still a quick car)(it is a free upgrade from stage 2 onto 2+)

Superchips originally emailed me the wrong map

Very possibly could be that. You should have seem some gains full stop.

As the car went on the rollers 30 seconds after the map was loaded, the ECU hadn't adapted to it at all

mine went straight on mate, and still made quite a large difference, however it did also adapt afterwards and got better.

What were your torque figures mate. Can you post your graphs up at all.

Sorry to hear about your car, id have dropped the ***** if he came out with that to me. If its any concillation someone had dented and scratched my rear passenger door, except i cant pinpoint when as i only noticed it this morning, was absolutely raging.

Edited 6 December, 200916 yr by simonskerton

Timmy I would speak to Superchips first thing. It doesn't sound like you have been sent the right map.

Slightly off topic how come the Autotech pump?

Yes I've winged them an email and to their credit they've been pretty good in the past at responding and sending new maps etc. so will see what they say.

Pump wise, the grand 'import an APR pump from the US' plan we talked about a couple of weeks back stalled as the chap that was going over there has delayed his trip for 6 months - was getting an itchy accelerator foot so couldn't wait that long.

I've waded through loads of posts across many different forums and the general consensus seemed to be that Autotech appears to be reliable, with some [very] old examples of failures still putting people off to some extent.

It was attractive though - got a very good price and single day turnaround from JBS up at Sheffield who fitted the internals to an almost new pump from a Cupra.

Time will tell I suppose - watch me eat my words when a big bill comes in.

Forgot to mention in my first post above, I had the follower changed while at JKM. Car has done 19k now - haven't had a good look at it yet but a quick glance showed the old one to be pristine.

Did you check your rail pressure before, did you actually need the auotech?

I would imagine the ecu would adapt very quicky to a certain extent and there should have been concidereable gains. It's quite cold today so maybe the intercooler wasn't needed today?

Nope haven't checked - that's one step further than my limited know-how will allow, unless the Bluefin is able to log such data. Regardless though, Superchips are quite clear that their stage2+ software requires the uprated pump. I seem to remember you posting that you didn't fit your internals as your pressure/map combination was fine - that's to be expected though, until you have a specific map which requests more fuel than the stock pump can deliver?

I dont think you can load the same map. If you have the same map on the handset it will only give you the option to remove bluefin. If you have a different map it will give you the option to upload bluefin.

Completely forgot about that - between that and the CEL then I'm doubly sure 'something' new went on the car. What's with the username??

(250bhp is still a quick car)(it is a free upgrade from stage 2 onto 2+)

Yup, and it's never been about chasing figures really, I suppose it feels like I've got little return for quite a large outlay, but that's the nature of modifying cars - once you get past the stage 1 remap the law of diminishing returns will get you every time. Map wise, as you say I have only paid £50 for the two additional stages so I've probably got my money's worth over the stage 1.

What were your torque figures mate. Can you post your graphs up at all.

Peaked briefly at around 275, then level out at around 250 before dropping off at 5250rpm. Dyno-guy (that shall be his name until he identifies himself!) gave me a good printout of the before and after runs on the same graph - I'll get it scanned and up this week.

Also sorry to hear yours has had a scrape. It's gutting isn't it - I've had the car one year now, and have had a scrape (from other people I might add!) on 3 of the 4 corners!

The dyno run is quite a terrifying experience.... With the sound the piper makes, it sounded like the car was going to explode as the revs climbed higher

What's with the username

been wanting to change it for ages instead of publicly shouting out my name.(plus if the missus found out the amount of stuff ive bought without her knowing id get an early vasectomy)

Torque peaked briefly at around 275, then level out at around 250 before dropping off at 5250rpm

That is extremely low especially for stage 2+.mine was making circa 300Ibft give or take. Revo stage 2+'s are making way over that.

Looking forward to seeing this Dyno map wish i could have made it to JKMs rollers instead of AMDs to see what it was. no doubt similar to yours though. It certainly wasnt 287bhp lol.

The dyno run is quite a terrifying experience.... With the sound the piper makes, it sounded like the car was going to explode as the revs climbed higher

haha i bet. The sound this piper system makes is amazing, I love it. friend of mine at work with a cupra and Non res miltek couldnt believe how loud it was in comparison when on the gas yet only very slightly louder than his in normal driving. Good value for money IMO.

Do you think you will change your map or just stick it out. Also did you have the flat spot still between 5-5.5k RPM. Mine showed up on the air mass logs.

Pump wise, the grand 'import an APR pump from the US' plan we talked about a couple of weeks back stalled as the chap that was going over there has delayed his trip for 6 months - was getting an itchy accelerator foot so couldn't wait that long.I've waded through loads of posts across many different forums and the general consensus seemed to be that Autotech appears to be reliable, with some [very] old examples of failures still putting people off to some extent

they revised their designs after the initial batches had issues. You have to think for the few that have gone wrong, there are 1000s that havent.(money no object i prob would have had the apr) but essentially its only a fuel pump ready fitted with internals anyway

Edited 7 December, 200916 yr by vRSy

Shall I bring my laptop with me when I drop in to see you Tim?

Will drop you a PM as I'm down your way at the weekend.

Assuming you got the reg plate and details of the guy in the belingo, make sure you tell your insurance company he said that at the road side.

Shall I bring my laptop with me when I drop in to see you Tim?

Will drop you a PM as I'm down your way at the weekend.

Shark by name. :p

Not sure about the adaption malarky. My car always went straight on the rollers after a map uploaded and the expected results were there.

wish i could have made it to JKMs rollers instead of AMDs to see what it was. no doubt similar to yours though. It certainly wasnt 287bhp lol.

Do you think you will change your map or just stick it out. Also did you have the flat spot still between 5-5.5k RPM. Mine showed up on the air mass logs.

Have I missed a post from you Sy? Last one I read you couldn't make it to the rollers and were going to rearrange.

It's not really a massively noticable flat spot - more like the really urgent power seems to leave at that point. I do seem to remember a large dip in your stage2 graph which your stage2+ seemed to cure, but there's nothing like that on mine. I'll fire up the scanner in a minute.

Do you think you will change your map or just stick it out.

Not sure really. Realistically the car is too fast anyway as first and second gears are all but useless unless a well trained right foot is used - my size 11's are failing at the moment. I suppose I'm chasing some kind of return for the hassle and cost of fitting the pump etc.

Shall I bring my laptop with me when I drop in to see you Tim?

Will drop you a PM as I'm down your way at the weekend.

If you don't mind Ben that would be extremely helpful. I've found a spare nitro bottle by the way, so cross that off the list of things you'll need for the truck. Fairly sure I've got some 16% fuel you can have too. Will PM you in a bit.

Not sure about the adaption malarky. My car always went straight on the rollers after a map uploaded and the expected results were there.

Yes, what Ian said earlier makes perfect sense to me. When I first put the stage 1 on with the Bluefin the change was instant too. Think I've ruled adaptation issues out now. Thanks for all the input so far chaps. I had an email conversation with Michael from Superchips today. Very nice bloke, the same person who dealt with the CEL light issue so efficiently when I first loaded the stage2 map on a couple of months back. I emailed him the stage2+ map so he could double check that it is what we think it is, and that all checks out. Michael basically confirmed what I had expected from the map - realistically the gains from the stage2+ map should be felt in the mid range due to the extra fueling available from the uprated HPFP [and requested by the stage2+ map presumably].

Michael has invited me up to Superchips HQ to take a look which was a pleasant surprise - I think I've seen this offer from Superchips on a few forums now.

I have been very pleased with the stage 1 map and the stage 2 wasn't half bad - certainly worth the additional £50 I paid on top of the already very reasonable charge for the stage 1, so I don't think Superchips owe me anything at all - visiting there is always an option I could look at later.

I've got a different stage2+ map from Michael now which should sort out my current CEL light, so I'll get that loaded onto the car tomorrow but shouldn't see any difference in performance.

Assuming you got the reg plate and details of the guy in the belingo, make sure you tell your insurance company he said that at the road side.

Yes, I've got the reg, home address and phone number of the guy. Honestly don't know what to do at the moment. I spoke to the council today as there is CCTV on the roundabout, they're going to ring me tomorrow but I think any request needs to come from the police. I can't see them being bothered about a minor shunt though.

The only witnesses we both have are our wives, so it's his word against mine, though I'm sure his description of the event will fall short of what it needs to be, as I know the lanes like the back of my hand on that roundabout and he was in the wrong one dammit! I think that point could be argued quite well on my side: he scraped the left side front of my car with the right hand rear of his as he changed lanes from his, to mine - but my lane was the outside lane of 2 lanes used for turning right. Hence, he could only have been originally in the lane to my left - used for going straight on rather than turning right. Gah!

I'm wondering at the moment if it's actually worth telling the insurance company about - if the blame can't be attributed to him, my excess is £300 anyway which will probably cover the repair, and what are the implications to my NCB? I don't fancy insuring my nice, totally declared modified car with anything less than full NCB entitlement :(

On the other side of the coin, what if he decides to lodge a claim against me?

Sorry for the uber-post

Finally, I went out with my wife and daughter earlier on to pick up a christmas tree. Going round a roundabout, a Citroen Berlingoe cut ahead of me into my lane and scraped the back of his car against my near side front. Scraped and slightly creased the wing, with damage to the paintwork on the bumper.

Sigh. Pulled into a layby and, having inspected the damage and informed him I'd need to make a claim, he basically said "you can claim what you like I'll just say you were in the wrong lane".

Ending with a postive, glad the site is back and looking excellent

This will probably go 50/50 unfortunately, unless you have a witness. effin roundabouts !!

If he said that to me, there would be another, head-shaped dent in his car!

have i missed a post

no i was referring to when i had bluefin. I only got to use AMDs rollers at stage 2 and 2+.

good to hear the map is getting better. off back to work now, so ill look at the graph when i get back. Will be interested to see your logs to see how they compared against mine.

Here's the before and after BHP comparison:

Edited 8 December, 200916 yr by Timmyboy

and here is the 'after' with the torque figure.

Updated stage2+ is now on the car but haven't driven it yet. Will give it a blast tomorrow but no reason to believe anything will change - it's just the de-cat version which will sort out the CEL light.

Here's the before and after BHP comparison:

do you have the torque as well. Also do you mind if i post that on mk5gti as there is a guy on there with bluefin interested

and here is the 'after' with the torque figure.

Updated stage2+ is now on the car but haven't driven it yet. Will give it a blast tomorrow but no reason to believe anything will change - it's just the de-cat version which will sort out the CEL light.

yeah thats right my stage 2+ was the decat version

do you have the torque as well. Also do you mind if i post that on mk5gti as there is a guy on there with bluefin interested

Yes feel free to post - you missed the torque graph by about 30 seconds

I'm a member there, can you point me to the thread just out of interest?

yeah thats right my stage 2+ was the decat version

you'll see it ina minute. Ill pop them in the thread in a minute so it will be one of the newly replied threads. he has just had his Twintake fitted to his stage 2 bluefin.

looking at your new graph. Its not all bad tbh. With a bit more adaption i think it will smooth out a bit more.

I think the power and torque curves a reminiscent of a stage 2 car though. stage 2+ cars should see a fair bit above 300Ibft (some cars have made 320Ibft plus)

what is your mod list.

Mod list as per my sig. The phatbox is worth 10bhp at least

I've seen a few people with around 280bhp with similar mods, albeit with a couple of extra pipes swapped over.

I'm still vaguely uneasy about the strange noise my BSH CAI makes - even Dyno-guy at JKM said he's never heard it before.

I'll try and find the clip on you tube I found a couple of months back.

Edited 8 December, 200916 yr by Timmyboy

Here's the clip - mine makes exactly the same sound. Move the clip to 1m 13s or so:

I had an email from BSH saying it was the sound of air rushing over the diverter valve causing the problem. I've never quite believe this as other intakes would be affected too, but one of the comments on that YouTube clip suggests it might be caused by air rushing over the [unused, in my case] hole which can be used to relocate the DV. This sounds like a much more plausible explanation.

Shame really as the quality is top notch, but the sound is bloody annoying.

Cor, that fuelling isn't very smooth is it? There's some work to be done there I'm afraid.

Mod list as per my sig. The phatbox is worth 10bhp at least

I've seen a few people with around 280bhp with similar mods, albeit with a couple of extra pipes swapped over.

I'm still vaguely uneasy about the strange noise my BSH CAI makes - even Dyno-guy at JKM said he's never heard it before.

I'll try and find the clip on you tube I found a couple of months back.

thinking about it, id have said my car when it had bluefin stage2+ was slightly more than that. Id have said it was Similar in output to bens stage 2 vRS after driving both, but not as smooth

to be fair a stage 2 car should be destroyed by a 2+ with al that extra mid range.

I'm still vaguely uneasy about the strange noise my BSH CAI makes - even Dyno-guy at JKM said he's never heard it before.

???/mine makes fluttering noises and whooshes. but thats notmal for an intake.