Is Electronic Stability Programme in Park Assist the same as Electronic Stability Programme in Electronic Stability Programme option?

I would like a 1.2TSI SE 2WD with ESP. I think it comes with ABS incl EBD+MBA+EBC+ASR but not EDL,HBA,DSR and ESBS. It the factory fitted optional equipment list, Park Assist is £450 including front parking sensors + ESP. I don't want Park Assist (although good as a party trick) but do want ESP and front parking sensors. On the same list these as seperate options are £380 (ESP)+ £260(front sensors)=£640. Just to confuse matters, Hill Hold control options include ESP with different options ABS+EBV+MSR+ASR+EDL+MBA+DSR (4x4 models only). Keeping up? What 'ESP' I'm I getting if I choose Park Assist rather than front parking sensors and ESP separately?

JFYI these acronyms are DMM.

No idea but I'm planning on ordering a 110 CR SE 2wd and want ESP. I'm also looking at the Park Assist for exactly the same reasons, it's only £70 more than ESP and includes ESP and front sensors. I'm off to the dealer tomorrow so I'll see if they have any idea what's what.

It all seems very odd as ont eh Elegance Park assist is still a £450 option even though front sensors are standard!

'Plumber' suggested emailing Skoda - have done this but no reply yet . A dealer I spoke to said ESP was the same whatever option but when I showed him the brochure, changed his mind and said he had no idea!

Edited 17 December, 200916 yr by CharlieB72

Can’t help you at all, but I thought I would congratulate you on a great thread title.

Edited 18 December, 200916 yr by Lady Elanore

Anyone else out there totally confused by all the acronyms?? I have read the info and I am still unable to work out what some of them stand for and what they actually do for me the driver!!

Is there anywhere on the site that explains in real words what -- EBD+MBA+EBC+ASR +EDL,HBA,DSR and ESBSt etc stand for and do! (and do we realy need them all)

One reason I am holding off replacing my 2001 Octavia is the complexity of the latest cars and a fear of how much they will cost if they go wrong ofter the 3 year period....

Edited 18 December, 200916 yr by Aberborthin

Anyone else out there totally confused by all the acronyms?? I have read the info and I am still unable to work out what some of them stand for and what they actually do for me the driver!!

Is there anywhere on the site that explains in real words what -- EBD+MBA+EBC+ASR +EDL,HBA,DSR and ESBSt etc stand for and do! (and do we realy need them all)

One reason I am holding off replacing my 2001 Octavia is the complexity of the latest cars and a fear of how much they will cost if they go wrong ofter the 3 year period....

- ABS: Anti-lock brakes, not possible to switch off.

-EBV: Electronic brake force distribution between front and rear axle, always on.

-MBA: Mechanical emergency brake assistant, increases the hydraulic pressure if it detects emergency braking. Always on.

-MSR: Motor slip regulation, reduces engine braking if the ECU detects that driven/braked wheels are losing speed/going towards lock due to engine braking. Controlled by engine ECU. Always on.

-ASR: Anti slip regulation, reduces engine power if wheel slip is detected when trying to gain speed. Brake ECU detects wheel slip, engine ECU reduces power without use of brakes. Can be turned off with the "ASR OFF" switch.

-TPM: Tire "pressure" monitor. Detects a defective tire by comparing wheel rpm from ABS sensors. Always on.

The MK60 system has the following features in addition to the ones above:

-ESP: Electronic stability program, uses ABS sensors, pressure sensor in hydraulic unit, steering wheel angle sensor, "yaw"-sensor, acceleration sensor etc to calculate if the vehicle is moving in the direction the driver intended, and uses both engine ECU to reduce power, and brake ECU which applies brakes to individual wheels to help steer the car in the right direction. Always on. It used to be possible to turn ESP off, but not on new (after build week 45 2009) Skoda cars. The switch that looks like the one that used to turn ESP off, now only disengages ASR. Allows the wheels to spin, but no four wheel drifts :'(

-HBA: Hydraulic emergency brake assistant. Does the same as MBA in the MK70 system, but here, everything happens inside the hydraulic unit of the brakes. Always on.

-EDS: Electronic differential lock. The brake ECU applies the brake on a slipping wheel to transfer torque to the other wheel on the same axle. Always on.

-HHC: Hill hold control. Uses hydraulic pressure to activate brakes when starting on a hill. Always on.

-DSR: Dynamic steering response. Uses the electric power steering to help correct a slide by aiding the turning of the steering wheel only the way that it would help canceling the slide. Always on.

-TSA: Trailer stability program. Uses brakes on the car, and can also reduce power to help stabilize a "swinging" trailer. On when using a trailer on cars with factory installed tow hook electrics.

-RBS: Rain brake support. Applies brakes lightly on wet roads from time to time to help dry the friction surfaces. Always on.

Anyone else out there totally confused by all the acronyms?? I have read the info and I am still unable to work out what some of them stand for and what they actually do for me the driver!!

Is there anywhere on the site that explains in real words what -- EBD+MBA+EBC+ASR +EDL,HBA,DSR and ESBSt etc stand for and do! (and do we realy need them all)

One reason I am holding off replacing my 2001 Octavia is the complexity of the latest cars and a fear of how much they will cost if they go wrong ofter the 3 year period....

here you go - from the launch training program for the Yeti in Denmark:

ABS - Non-blocking brake contrl.

AFM - memory and analysis of the vehicle dynamics for optimizing the ESP system.

ASR - Anti-spin regulation, stops wheelspin during acceleration.

DSR - Dynamic Steering regulation, modifies the steering response during a turning and skidding situaton.

EBV - Electronic brake force distribution, switches brake effect between the two axles.

ESBS - Electronic brake stability sysyem, uses the brakes to keep direction control in curves.

EDS - Electronid differential control, normally called limited slip differential. (My comment: multiplate Haldex supplied clutch on the back axle and use of the brakes on the front axle)

Haldex 4. generation - Transfer of power from the front to rear axle as necessary.

HBA - Hydraulic Brake Assistant, adds more braking force during hard braking - where the driver usually does not push the brake pedal hard enough.

HHC - Hill Hold Control - keeps the brakes on for 2 seconds after you take you foot off afet stop, IF the vehicle is on a 3° uphill slope. Limits rpm to 2500 till the brakes have released.

MSR - Conrtols the engine torque when the engine is used as a brake.

Off Road assistance, controls a number of things when the off-road button is pushed, such as controlling downhill speed with no driver input other than steering, up-hill and down-hill starting modifications to engine response to the accelerator input.

I do not know if we need them all, but the Haldex and limited slip system sure has been good for the last few days, the Hill hold works, although I would never have spent a penny on it, perspnally. some of the other stuff may have worked too, as the Yeti behaves very wel and very predictably in the slimy road conditions we have had here the last day or so.

I guess the days when you could get 40k out of a set of brake pads are long gone!

I guess the days when you could get 40k out of a set of brake pads are long gone!

Well when I spoke to the alesman yesterday he claimed that the ESP that comes with the Park Assist is the same as the standalone ESP option. I need to speak to our fleet company on Monday and see how much extra it will be a month if I decide to specify the Park Assist, I'm not sure how useful it would really be but it would be a laugh if nothing else.

Well when I spoke to the alesman yesterday he claimed that the ESP that comes with the Park Assist is the same as the standalone ESP option. I need to speak to our fleet company on Monday and see how much extra it will be a month if I decide to specify the Park Assist, I'm not sure how useful it would really be but it would be a laugh if nothing else.

This is what my dealer said til I showed him the 'other' ESP in hill hold. Really confusing. So far phoned the customer helpline (on brochure) and left a message and emailed the link 'Plumber' gave to czech skoda site and no response from either. Thanks for everybody who has sent in glossaries. The NCAP website really goes on about ESP/ESC - I believe it is compulsory on new cars in some countries and is what helps to give a car a 5*NCAP rating. Skoda must have given them an elegance model.

I don't think Skoda have thought the options through because, as we've said, it's cheaper to get Park Assist (with front sensors and ESP) than front sensors and ESP on it's own. Unless the latter ESP is a watered down version that is...!!! As mentioned before, it also makes Park Assist a relatively expensive option for 'Elegance' owners as they have ESP and rear sensors already.

Maybe it would help if I had Extra Sensory Perception (ESP), to tune into Mr Yeti reasoning!

Be careful if/when you use park assist. I know of at least one person who used it on his brand new Golf and it kerbed his alloys!

'Plumber' suggested emailing Skoda - have done this but no reply yet . A dealer I spoke to said ESP was the same whatever option but when I showed him the brochure, changed his mind and said he had no idea!

This is the reply I got back from Skoda.....

thank you for your interest in our brand. Cars may be different in equipment because each single Skoda Importer decides on his own what cars, equipment and technical features will be offered in his country. For more details we recommend you contact directly importer in your country.

Thank you for understanding

Like the last sentence!

Il bet that the importer says contact the manufacturers!

Il bet that the importer says contact the manufacturers!

Yes - that did cross my mind too! Anyone out there any ideas who is left to I should contact to get an answer to my original question?

Yes - that did cross my mind too! Anyone out there any ideas who is left to I should contact to get an answer to my original question?

Well I would be tempted to e-mail Skoda CZ back and tell them the UK importer doesn't actually know what they have imported and cannot answer your question.

For example I rang SUK the other day for advice on winter tyres as the handbook is rather vague, their reply:

"sorry we have no advice to offer on winter tyres, you might try kwik fit" :S

So I asked "you must know what size and rating I need"

SUK "no as I said try kwik fit" :S :S

Come on SUK surly you must employ someone who knows something about cars :yes:

Advice on winter tyres really isn't that dificult.. Load and speed rating must be correct. Buy tyres with at least the same load rating as the ones fitted to your car, other then that, I would say buy the narrowest recomended tyre if you intend to use snow chains. As for speed rating, in Norway 160 km/h / Q is OK for winter tyres no matter how fast the car is. I don't know the rules in the UK, sorry! Read german or scandinavian tests on what the best winter tyres are..

I have fitted studded gislaved nordfrost 5 225/50-17 on mine, and they are great on snow and ice. Better than "nordic" studless tyres on tarmac because of the harder rubber compound. Worse when it comes to noise.

Good Continental "euro" studless tyres would be just great for your winter conditions if UK winters is a bit like what I imagine they are :yes:

Merry Christmas!!

Thanks for your comments on tyres JonA. Studded tyres are not legal in GB. Do you have any www addresses for Geramann and Scandinavian tyres reviews and tests? I have seen comparative tests in the past but the www seems to have slipped my mind. Age!

Thanks for your comments on tyres JonA. Studded tyres are not legal in GB. Do you have any www addresses for Geramann and Scandinavian tyres reviews and tests? I have seen comparative tests in the past but the www seems to have slipped my mind. Age!

Here is one (google translator): My link

I use the Continental Conti Viking Contact myself.

seo

Thanks for your comments on tyres JonA. Studded tyres are not legal in GB. Do you have any www addresses for Geramann and Scandinavian tyres reviews and tests? I have seen comparative tests in the past but the www seems to have slipped my mind. Age!

The Danish equivalent of the AA in the UK uses ADAC data for their tests. here are the closest tests size for the Yeti 215/60-R16 tires. You have to look past the language to the numbers.

http://www1.adac.de/Tests/Reifentests/Winterreifen/205_55_R16H_2009/tab.asp?ComponentID=268440&SourcePageID=268552

My choice would have been the Goodyear Ultragrip 7+, but they are not made in the size to fit the Yeti. I had them on the Octy for 4 years and was very happy with them. The closest was the Godyear Eagle Ultragrip in the right size, and they do very well, indeed. My bias is strongly in favor of the highest rating in the wet, as that is what we have most of, and they do that well as well as perform in the recent snow we have had. With those tyres, the Yeti is very predictable and docile in the snow - but realize that they do not perform miracles. If there is no traction - they cannot invent it!

The Norvegian, Swedish and Finnish tests probably are more biased towards the real snow performance and very cold temperatures as well as studded tires - which are legal here, but largely irrelevant. We do not have much more snow than the UK, so wet performance plus some snow capability is IT. .....IMHO of course.

Edited 23 December, 200916 yr by Agerbundsen

Be careful if/when you use park assist. I know of at least one person who used it on his brand new Golf and it kerbed his alloys!

A good point, using Park Assist, does not negate the driver of the responsibility to carry out a safe manoeuvre.

That is excellent men, seo & Agerbundsen both, Thank you. you guys are far better informed than us over here about the various strong and weak points of winter tyres! I have spent a lot of time on certain German and Swedish Off Roads sites and I am always impressed by the technical knowledge of the contributers. I never here any swearing or cussing on those forums either and everyone are always most respectful and happy. Moderators have no work to do as everything runs sweetly!

Thank you again Agerbundsen for qualifying your choice it is worth bearing in mind what you have to say. I am just a little higher up being on top of a hill so it freezes here more often than for those n the valley but being very close to the West Coast of Wales you can imagine how very wet it is here also. I just wish all the rain would translate to snow. Then I would need to take out my Portal Axle Volvo more often.