The 1.2 tsi is supposed to have lots of low down grunt - so has anyone bought one after running a diesel, and how do they compare?

Thanks,

Stuart

Edited 22 January, 201016 yr by StuartBell

I haven't bought one, but I have driven a few, and I'm very impressed with the tiny turbocharged engine I must admit that I like the character of the 1,4 TSI even better because of it's will to rev, but the 1,2TSI is simply amazing when it comes to drivability and power low down.

The 1,2 doesn't sound as happy when you push it, and pushing it isn't as rewarding as pushing a 1,4, but it's still a GREAT engine. My two last cars have been diesel powered If economy from day to day/ consumption wasn't important I'd be driving a petrol engine, and it would have been either a 1,4TSI or a 1,8TSI.

I haven't bought one, but I have driven a few, and I'm very impressed with the tiny turbocharged engine I must admit that I like the character of the 1,4 TSI even better because of it's will to rev, but the 1,2TSI is simply amazing when it comes to drivability and power low down.

The 1,2 doesn't sound as happy when you push it, and pushing it isn't as rewarding as pushing a 1,4, but it's still a GREAT engine. My two last cars have been diesel powered If economy from day to day/ consumption wasn't important I'd be driving a petrol engine, and it would have been either a 1,4TSI or a 1,8TSI.

What about the torque difference - I am thinking of going from a 2.0 Tdi Octavia DSG to the 1.2 Tsi DSG Yeti, the performance difference worries me though as the Yeti is 11.9 for the 0-60 dash compared with the Octavia's 9.8. Also I worry that when the 1.2TSI is heavily loaded - 4 people + luggage - that it might be ponderous to drive? Can't find any useful comparative Road Tests either. Guess I will have to wait.

What about the torque difference - I am thinking of going from a 2.0 Tdi Octavia DSG to the 1.2 Tsi DSG Yeti, the performance difference worries me though as the Yeti is 11.9 for the 0-60 dash compared with the Octavia's 9.8. Also I worry that when the 1.2TSI is heavily loaded - 4 people + luggage - that it might be ponderous to drive? Can't find any useful comparative Road Tests either. Guess I will have to wait.

Have done 2.5 people plus luggage on a long trip and 4.5 people on shorter trips in our 1.2. The difference to both performance and handling was negligible; in a way, the lack of impact on handling was what surprised me most.

The one caveat I always come back to is that pulling away from standstill is, in my opinion, the weakest point of this engine/gearbox. You do need to give yourself time at roundabouts for example, as it doesn't just nip out into traffic; this is the only time where the extra load weight is in any way noticeable in normal driving.

The 1.2 feels plenty quick enough in other respects and I'd guess that of the 2.1 second 0-60 difference you are looking at. at least 1.5 will be lost in first; there is plenty enough acceleration in gear thereafter.

From memory the DSG is a bit heavier but will most likely shift differently than I do in a manual, what effect this has on getting going I can only guess at.

Edited 23 January, 201016 yr by weaver

Have done 2.5 people plus luggage on a long trip and 4.5 people on shorter trips in our 1.2. The difference to both performance and handling was negligible; in a way, the lack of impact on handling was what surprised me most.

The one caveat I always come back to is that pulling away from standstill is, in my opinion, the weakest point of this engine/gearbox. You do need to give yourself time at roundabouts for example, as it doesn't just nip out into traffic; this is the only time where the extra load weight is in any way noticeable in normal driving.

The 1.2 feels plenty quick enough in other respects and I'd guess that of the 2.1 second 0-60 difference you are looking at. at least 1.5 will be lost in first; there is plenty enough acceleration in gear thereafter.

From memory the DSG is a bit heavier but will most likely shift differently than I do in a manual, what effect this has on getting going I can only guess at.

The "slow" puling away from standstill at junctions is also a characteristic of the diesel I have got used to. With the diesel engine until the revs are "on-song" there isn't much go so I guess it is the same with the turbo of the TSI motor. I suppose my other worry is whether the 1.2 engine will have a long life, extracting that much power from a small engine seems to imply undue stress somewhere - or am I being needlessly worrisome?

I sold a Yeti TSi 1.2 to a lady coming from a diesel... It was a rather ancient Ford minivan thing which does 0-60mph just about.

She has very impressed by the Yeti, as you might expect.

I like the Yeti, but i would like to keep the diesel engine and DSG like my octavia (49-50 MPG)

Not sure about 4x4 but i believe that 4x4 diesel and dsg is not an option with the Yeti anyway.

I like the Yeti, but i would like to keep the diesel engine and DSG like my octavia (49-50 MPG)

Not sure about 4x4 but i believe that 4x4 diesel and dsg is not an option with the Yeti anyway.

Hi,

Not at the moment but due to become available from June in 2.0 TDI (140) CR DPF 4x4 DSG guise.

Regards,

TP

I've just ordered a 1.2 TSi and currently have an Octavia 1.9 TDi estate. I have similar concerns but everybody seems to rave about the 1.2 TSi so hopefully it will be fine. It was a really close call between the 1.2 TSi and the 2.0 CR 110 whoch I expect would feel quite similar to the Octavia. In the end I decided to take a gamble on the 1.2 TSi as I've had diesels for a while nad fancied going back to a petrol.

I still wish there was a 1.4 TSi Yeti though!

Hi,

Not at the moment but due to become available from June in 2.0 TDI (140) CR DPF 4x4 DSG guise.

Regards,

TP

Thanks, but are you sure? DSG 4X4 and diesel?

June is for order or delivery?

Thanks again

Thanks, but are you sure? DSG 4X4 and diesel?

June is for order or delivery?

Thanks again

Hi,

yes 99% sure the diesel 4x4 DSG monster will make an appearance later this year. Production due to start WK22 (first week of June) so I suspect orders could be placed April/May time.

This information comes from a build chart provided by ANTS who I believe works in the motor trade. My link

Regards,

TP

Hi,

yes 99% sure the diesel 4x4 DSG monster will make an appearance later this year. Production due to start WK22 (first week of June) so I suspect orders could be placed April/May time.

This information comes from a build chart provided by ANTS who I believe works in the motor trade. My link

Regards,

TP

Great news, thanks

The "slow" puling away from standstill at junctions is also a characteristic of the diesel I have got used to. With the diesel engine until the revs are "on-song" there isn't much go so I guess it is the same with the turbo of the TSI motor. I suppose my other worry is whether the 1.2 engine will have a long life, extracting that much power from a small engine seems to imply undue stress somewhere - or am I being needlessly worrisome?

I think / hope that you are being a little worrisome. No one would question whether a 2.4 litre engine that produced 210ps would be overstressed and yet the 1.2 is half that size with half the power. I think 105ps is a very respectable output for a 1.2 but nothing stratospheric. I am sure that the boy racers will soon stretch this engine to 150ps, at which stage I would have my doubts as to its longevity. The engine will be capable of greater outputs but manufacturers usually settle on a balance that ensures durability as well as performance. This is my reasoning anyway as I wait for my 1.2 TSI

I agree. It is not the smallness of the cubic capacity tat will determine the stress rates but the engine design and material science applied to the frictional surfaces of bearings and journals etc. Weather an engine is 1 litre or 5 if they produce the same power and torque it will be more or less the same in one way or another. Large pistons and long strokes can impose their own stresses.

Edited 23 January, 201016 yr by Anthony 1

I agree. It is not the smallness of the cubic capacity tat will determine the stress rates but the engine design and material science applied to the frictional surfaces of bearings and journals etc. Weather an engine is 1 litre or 5 if they produce the same power and torque it will be more or less the same in one way or another. Large pistons and long strokes can impose their own stresses.

Well I test drove a 1.2TSI (manual) on Saturday and was pleasantly surprised by the power and refinement of the engine. However, as the test drive went on I couldn't help thinking that although the 1.2 was good the Yeti with the 1.4TSI would be so much better. That bit of extra power and torque would just make raise whole package from good to really great.

I guess the VW group is rationing the 1.4TSI engine and can only suppose that Skoda were told they couldn't have it for the Yeti - or perhaps they were a bit worried about stealing sales from other VW products - Golf?

I agree. It is not the smallness of the cubic capacity tat will determine the stress rates but the engine design and material science applied to the frictional surfaces of bearings and journals etc. Weather an engine is 1 litre or 5 if they produce the same power and torque it will be more or less the same in one way or another. Large pistons and long strokes can impose their own stresses.

Well I test drove a 1.2TSI (manual) on Saturday and was pleasantly surprised by the power and refinement of the engine. However, as the test drive went on I couldn't help thinking that although the 1.2 was good the Yeti with the 1.4TSI would be so much better. That bit of extra power and torque would just make raise whole package from good to really great.

I guess the VW group is rationing the 1.4TSI engine and can only suppose that Skoda were told they couldn't have it for the Yeti - or perhaps they were a bit worried about stealing sales from other VW products - Golf?

Well I test drove a 1.2TSI (manual) on Saturday and was pleasantly surprised by the power and refinement of the engine. However, as the test drive went on I couldn't help thinking that although the 1.2 was good the Yeti with the 1.4TSI would be so much better. That bit of extra power and torque would just make raise whole package from good to really great.

I guess the VW group is rationing the 1.4TSI engine and can only suppose that Skoda were told they couldn't have it for the Yeti - or perhaps they were a bit worried about stealing sales from other VW products - Golf?

... and I think they would have all the reasons to be worried! I initially was looking to buy the Golf VI but I changed my mind to buy Yeti with the same engine! Even the interior (Dashboard) it's so alike!

... and I think they would have all the reasons to be worried! I initially was looking to buy the Golf VI but I changed my mind to buy Yeti with the same engine! Even the interior (Dashboard) it's so alike!

I had a golf 6 on order too, but cancelled and went for the Yeti instead. Having had a basic diesel as a hire car, I'm really relieved I did !

I guess the VW group is rationing the 1.4TSI engine and can only suppose that Skoda were told they couldn't have it for the Yeti - or perhaps they were a bit worried about stealing sales from other VW products - Golf?

Too late! Sorry VAG. :S

The Golf 1.4TSI was on our short list (and the front runner) until we saw the Yeti! I was worried that the 1.2 wouldn't be up to the job until I drove it.

The 1.4 is a brilliant engine, I remember reading about the Lancia 037 many years ago and thinking it was mental having a turbo and supercharger. Group B gets banned for being to dangerous and you think there won't be engineering like that again. Then VAG create a road engine with a turbo and supercharger.

Too late! Sorry VAG. :S

The Golf 1.4TSI was on our short list (and the front runner) until we saw the Yeti! I was worried that the 1.2 wouldn't be up to the job until I drove it.

The 1.4 is a brilliant engine, I remember reading about the Lancia 037 many years ago and thinking it was mental having a turbo and supercharger. Group B gets banned for being to dangerous and you think there won't be engineering like that again. Then VAG create a road engine with a turbo and supercharger.

Remember the standard 1.4TSI has a turbocharger and not a supercharger. You have to go for the high performance GT model to get the 160 BHP version of the 1.4TSI; normal versions have the 122BHP non-supercharged engine.

Also worth noting for those with longer term ownership in mind that the 1.2 TSI has a timing chain (if my source was correct) whereas the diesels are cambelts.....

Also worth noting for those with longer term ownership in mind that the 1.2 TSI has a timing chain (if my source was correct) whereas the diesels are cambelts.....

After much thought I am having the cam belt changed on my Octavia and will keep it for another 18 months to see if Skoda will fit the 1.4TSI engine to the Yeti. I assume that the real reason it is not available now is that the 1.4 engine is in such short supply, I note that there is a very extended waiting time for any of the VW family with the 1,4TSI engine.

Also I expect better discounts in 18 months time!!

After much thought I am having the cam belt changed on my Octavia and will keep it for another 18 months to see if Skoda will fit the 1.4TSI engine to the Yeti. I assume that the real reason it is not available now is that the 1.4 engine is in such short supply, I note that there is a very extended waiting time for any of the VW family with the 1,4TSI engine.

Also I expect better discounts in 18 months time!!

You should try the 1.2. It certainly suprised me.Just wondering where the 1.4 would fit in price wise, unless they drop the 1.8 once the new showroom tax starts to have the desired affect on sales. I'm currently driving a petrol 2.0FSI Octy admittedly not VRS and no Turbo, but 150BHP. I don't think i'm going to miss much trading down so to speak.into a 1.2 DSG... I'm no pensioner, or boy racer (no offence to pensioners or boyracers intended ) but still like my cars to have a bit of get up and go....The 1.2 manual i test drove with 15 miles on the clock certainly didn't seem overworked or out of its depth. I'm sure it will improve as it gets a few more miles under its belt....indeed theres a lot more fun to be had with the 1.2. Strange I know but difficult to put into words... I decided the cost of service, and cambelt change didn 't warrant me keeping the Octy. Octy prices are in freefall with discounts available on new... there seem to be good deals on the Yeti as well if you do your homework, know what your PX is worth and lay your cards down on the table and let the salesman know your serious about doing a deal today. Just be honest and don't expect miracles... I've got around 12% off list.

The 1.2 indeed does have a timing chain... this hopefully won't need replacement therefore extra saving.... for me insurance...reduced RFL, improved fuel economy, new car warranty etc going for the Yeti now makes more sense over retaining my Octy.

You should try the 1.2. It certainly suprised me.Just wondering where the 1.4 would fit in price wise, unless they drop the 1.8 once the new showroom tax starts to have the desired affect on sales. I'm currently driving a petrol 2.0FSI Octy admittedly not VRS and no Turbo, but 150BHP. I don't think i'm going to miss much trading down so to speak.into a 1.2 DSG... I'm no pensioner, or boy racer (no offence to pensioners or boyracers intended ) but still like my cars to have a bit of get up and go....The 1.2 manual i test drove with 15 miles on the clock certainly didn't seem overworked or out of its depth. I'm sure it will improve as it gets a few more miles under its belt....indeed theres a lot more fun to be had with the 1.2. Strange I know but difficult to put into words... I decided the cost of service, and cambelt change didn 't warrant me keeping the Octy. Octy prices are in freefall with discounts available on new... there seem to be good deals on the Yeti as well if you do your homework, know what your PX is worth and lay your cards down on the table and let the salesman know your serious about doing a deal today. Just be honest and don't expect miracles... I've got around 12% off list.

The 1.2 indeed does have a timing chain... this hopefully won't need replacement therefore extra saving.... for me insurance...reduced RFL, improved fuel economy, new car warranty etc going for the Yeti now makes more sense over retaining my Octy.

Cambelt change interval on the 2.0 TDI CR engines in the Yeti is 180,000 km/112,500 miles - hardly a concern from a cost standpint.

Cambelt change interval on the 2.0 TDI CR engines in the Yeti is 180,000 km/112,500 miles - hardly a concern from a cost standpint.

I agree, the chain after the same mileage might well be rattling away to its self by then.