hi everyone

after 96000 trouble free motoring the engine decided it had had enough, no oil pressure and a siezed turbo (which reading other posts seems to be the norm) now my engine code is BSS.my question is would the diesel engine from the new shape superb fit (code BMP)

or is it altogether different? thanks for any help you can give me

hi everyone

after 96000 trouble free motoring the engine decided it had had enough, no oil pressure and a siezed turbo (which reading other posts seems to be the norm) now my engine code is BSS.my question is would the diesel engine from the new shape superb fit (code BMP)

or is it altogether different? thanks for any help you can give me

think the new one is transverse - so that would be a no, I guess. What about the AWX motor?

think the new one is transverse - so that would be a no, I guess. What about the AWX motor?

thanks for the quick reply, what is the AWX from?

The AWX is the 1.9 130 PD fitted to the Superb.

It might be worth talking to Caffyns as when i was in there last week they said there was no issues with the 140 PD oil pumps!

Out of interest gkdsp.....you state the mileage was 96k miles when you experienced problems with the oil pump issues and siezed turbo.....can you off the record explain how the car was running prior to the unfortunate events that occurred?

I myself have a 2.0 BSS engine and i have only done 37k miles and she is running beautifully....but then again i do basically 2 services a year. I am also contemplating getting the garage to remove the sump and inspect the oil pick up pipe and clean.....or maybe punch a hole in it to improve oil flow.....as i feel that is where the problems arise......from the sump upwards.

Also, is your engine deffinately dead? ie bearings gone? heavy knocking? Maybe for the sake of a few hrs work removing sump and cleaning the oil strainer things might come back to life?? worth a try before changing the engine.....so dammed expensive from what ive seen on some scrap yard websites.....kind regards andy

Out of interest gkdsp.....you state the mileage was 96k miles when you experienced problems with the oil pump issues and siezed turbo.....can you off the record explain how the car was running prior to the unfortunate events that occurred?

I myself have a 2.0 BSS engine and i have only done 37k miles and she is running beautifully....but then again i do basically 2 services a year. I am also contemplating getting the garage to remove the sump and inspect the oil pick up pipe and clean.....or maybe punch a hole in it to improve oil flow.....as i feel that is where the problems arise......from the sump upwards.

Also, is your engine deffinately dead? ie bearings gone? heavy knocking? Maybe for the sake of a few hrs work removing sump and cleaning the oil strainer things might come back to life?? worth a try before changing the engine.....so dammed expensive from what ive seen on some scrap yard websites.....kind regards andy

hi skodanut,it ran perfectly no noises or warning what so ever then the red warning light showing stop no oil pressure came on and that was it.brake pedal went hard but engine still ran with no noises.the garage has stripped it and found siezed vacuum pump and turbo,main brgs have picked up but not badly damaged the crank.oil strainer clean ish but pump they say is scored,pumpdrive is worn.they won't gaurantee rebuilding the engine.i have found a brand new BSS engine @www.engineworld ltd.co.uk for a very reasonable price with 12 months unlimited mileage warrenty,so thats the way i have gone,defo not paying the main dealer price!

BMP is the DPF version, if you don't have one you need a BKP, as far as it fitting I think you will get away with it as long as it's only the lump and head you use, i.e you must use all the Skoda gear on it so the ECU stays happy.

If you are looking to rob a Passat of an engine beware the engine sits the other way around.

Personally if the engine was shut down soon after and not doing any real speed you might just get away with a Turbo and pump drive, which if you get the Turbo direct from Garrett and have an Indy fit for you will come out at around £1k.

It is possible to transplant equivalent transverse engines into the B5.5 - but it's not worth doing. There are so many brackets, mountings and odd bits to change it would be far better to source the right engine in the first place.

The problem with the 2.0 PD balancer engine is that the oil pump drive fails. However quick you are, the engine and turbocharger will be extensively damaged by the time you are able to stop the car in a real-world situation. Mucking about with the oil pickup strainer or cleaning the sump is a waste of time. PD engines on the right oil don't sludge and the sump will be clean when you take it off (been in there, but for another reason on an old PD Passat).

The 1.8T engines fitted to a N-S chassis used to sludge their oil when run on non fully synth oil. Maybe this is the story skodanut has heard and confused it with the PD.

An engine run without oil is scrap. Avoid.

rotodiesel.

Rotodiesel i appreciate your knowledge on the superb and the engines that they have, but i'd like to point out the car i have is a 140 PD diesel with engine code BSS and from what i am reading on here, is the same engine as gkdsp, who unfortunately seems to have suffered terminal damage with his engine.

With your knowledge of particular engine codes...can you please advise what particular diesel engine is suffering from this oil pump issue ? I have read your threads and found it to be very interesting giving out sound advice and the occasional words of wisdom and warnings that comes with these cars.

Tho i have to admit this particular engine that we are hearing about with sludging and it being a 1.8 t engine i assume is a petrol engine....and although i have never personally owned a vw based petrol engined car, i do know my father owned a 1.8 passat ( older version ) and he had the misfortune of driving normally and without warning the cambelt snapped....and he decided to replace it himself....and blow me it snapped again....we found upon inspection, the oil strainer was completely covered with a thick oily crusted covering that impeded oil flow into the engine and discovered the cylinder head siezed up on the number 3 bearing cap..which was the drilling to feed the cyliner head....after cleaning the pump and strainer and renewing the cylinder head the engine was fine for another 3yrs before being p/x for the next generation of passat........which the superb derived from.

I'd like to point out that its not being a case of confused as to which engine is suffering with oil problems....after all, any engine with either the incorrect oil or even the lack of engine oil is going to be asking for trouble...but i would like to know what specific engine and codes has this achillies heel?

Just for the record......i've now resorted to checking the oil level daily and even checking the oil underneath the filler cap....if that was dry then yes i'd be worried...but it is is dripping back into the engine....so i know the top end is being fed with oil....regards andy

Incidentally gkdsp...would you be kind enough to pm me and give me an idea what price you were quoted for your engine to be repaired? kind regards.andy

Incidentally gkdsp...would you be kind enough to pm me and give me an idea what price you were quoted for your engine to be repaired? kind regards.andy

pm sent skodanut regards Graham

Andy, I'll try to simplify things a bit but there have been lots of VAG engines in lots of different vehicles.

Firstly, the engine which sludges up is indeed petrol - the 1.8T when mounted N-S and used on non fully synth oil. The N-S engines had a smaller sump than the E-W engines, which contributed to the problem.

I have no interest whatever in petrol engines.

The 4 cyl PD diesels were made as 1.9 and 2.0 litre units. Any 4 cylinder inline engine is in perfect first order balance, but has an out of balance component at twice crank speed, which increases vibration levels. This can be perfectly balanced out by using two contra-rotating weighted shafts running at twice crank speed - Lanchester balancer shafts. It's widely used and works well IF you get the detailing right.

The 2.0 PD engines are fitted with these shafts. (The 1.9s are not). VAG have had 2 attempts at the design of this, firstly using a chain drive (BHW) and latterly a gear drive to the shafts. The chain drive was a complete disaster but no chain driven 2.0 engines were ever fitted to Superbs. Audi owners were not so lucky... The gear drive is better, but gives problems with the oil pump drive, which is from the slave balancer shaft.

I have outlined the failure mode (frettage) in other threads, and there's nothing to be done about it. Fiddling with the oil or anything else will make no difference. Make a cold blooded decision based on whether you want to insure this engine, take a risk or sell it - there's no emotion involved.

This engine is clearly a lemon - why not start a poll on this website in order to get some idea as to how long these engines will go for? Then you can make an informed judgement.

rotodiesel.

Hi thanks roto for your reply...i have been searching the threads on here and it seems some superbs with the same engine as mine seem to do around 80-90 k miles before the problems begin to raise its ugly head.....working that out in ownership time, that equates to around another 5 yrs of ownership on top of the mileage our car has already done....so all in all....roughly about 6-7 yrs before i god forbid see any of the oil pump issues......knowing my luck i'll probably have other problems by then, such as dpf issues and fluid replacement......on top of tyres and other consumables......oh yeah and the cambelt probably need doing within the next couple of years !!.....items i dont mind shelling out for.....but for something like oil pump drives and turbo's, plus the fact the engine might already be damaged by then dosesnt bear thinking about.......unless circmstances change....and by then the car would be part exchanged for a much newer model hopefully before major problems and expense arise...but as ive mentioned that was just for the oil pump issues......there seems to be more superb owners with teething dpf issues and going into limp mode more than oil pump failures......i'll keep reading the threads and take it all in......cheers andy

Hi thanks roto for your reply...i have been searching the threads on here and it seems some superbs with the same engine as mine seem to do around 80-90 k miles before the problems begin to raise its ugly head.....working that out in ownership time, that equates to around another 5 yrs of ownership on top of the mileage our car has already done....so all in all....roughly about 6-7 yrs before i god forbid see any of the oil pump issues......knowing my luck i'll probably have other problems by then, such as dpf issues and fluid replacement......on top of tyres and other consumables......oh yeah and the cambelt probably need doing within the next couple of years !!.....items i dont mind shelling out for.....but for something like oil pump drives and turbo's, plus the fact the engine might already be damaged by then dosesnt bear thinking about.......unless circmstances change....and by then the car would be part exchanged for a much newer model hopefully before major problems and expense arise...but as ive mentioned that was just for the oil pump issues......there seems to be more superb owners with teething dpf issues and going into limp mode more than oil pump failures......i'll keep reading the threads and take it all in......cheers andy

oops got that wrong,i just tried to give you an update. well she lives again at long last,after several run ins with engineworld ltd (dont touch with a barge pole) my original engine was rebuilt and a new turbo. oil pump drive £2.68 !! from skoda ashford, we have decided to trade it in and looked at seveeral makes,finally going to David @Adamsons of Deal where we saw a 58 plate superb 2 elegance 170 diesel. very helpful and agreed a trade in figure even though he hasn't seen mine yet,just got to let them transfer the number plate then we can pick it up.we even managed to get a good deal on a new fabia se for our eldest sons 19th birthday in sept (delivery due late sept) so all in all happy at last