Hi,

I'm a brand new member in this forum. I'm interested in getting a little bit more horsepower & torque from my 1.8 TSI DSG Octavia but haven't found any reliable information and results concerning remapping 1.8 TSI engine with this particular gearbox (DSG7). I would like to know if some of you have remapped your 1.8 TSI DSG and what were the gains? I'm going to visit the local "optimizer" in a near future and would like to know what can be expected. I will post my results later.

Thank you in advance,

Skoctavia

Have a look on the Audi forums i believe more Audis will have been remapped,

Have a look on the Audi forums i believe more Audis will have been remapped,

Thanks but why should I search Audi forums if my car is Octavia? ;-) Besides, AFAIK Audi doesn't have DSG7, but tip/multitronic (although engine is the same TFSI/TSI).

I cannot believe nobody here hasn't had their 1.8TSI DSG7 remapped. Am I really the only one who happens to be interested in getting some extra power from this particular engine/gearbox combination?

Probably because under the different bodywork is the same basic car!

Skoda is part of the VAG (Volkswagon/Audi Group), so they share an awful lot of parts including engines & gearboxes etc.

I've had mine remapped but it is a manual not DSG. It goes like a rocket, power comes in smoothly and is maintained all the way to the red line whereas the standard car was a bit flat at higher revs.

I don't know whether the DSG would handle the extra torque but I'd guess it would be OK unless you thrash it everywhere.

I wonder about the torque as well. The 4x4 isn't available with the auto box, I can only think it won't take it.

My old 1.8 turbo subaru was auto and about the same bhp and was lovely. Shame about the brakes though.

I've read on this forum that the DSG box should handle 250 lb/ft so a stage 1 remap should be OK.

Chat to Ben at Shark Performance to see what he says.

I've had mine remapped but it is a manual not DSG. It goes like a rocket, power comes in smoothly and is maintained all the way to the red line whereas the standard car was a bit flat at higher revs.

Sounds promising. Can you give us more detailed information how power and torque increased from standard?

guys seriously stop scaremongering about the torque there are lots guys in the DSG K04 GTIs running in excess of 370-380Hp and nearly 400Ibft of torque. and thats not including the guys with the big turbo conversions etc.

im sure if they are fine with them, then you will be ok in a 1.8TSI.

Also take into consideration if you use a reputable tuner and not a micky mouse 200 quid one, then they will have the knowledge of what the DSG, turbo, internals etc can handle.

you can also get the DSG 'remapped' by REVO and GIAC and this allows the car to run the torque safely

Edited 17 June, 201016 yr by vRSy

guys seriously stop scaremongering about the torque there are lots guys in the DSG K04 GTIs running in excess of 370-380Hp and nearly 400Ibft of torque. and thats not including the guys with the big turbo conversions etc.

im sure if they are fine with them, then you will be ok in a 1.8TSI.

Also take into consideration if you use a reputable tuner and not a micky mouse 200 quid one, then they will have the knowledge of what the DSG, turbo, internals etc can handle.

you can also get the DSG 'remapped' by REVO and GIAC and this allows the car to run the torque safely

Without wanting to add to the so called scare-monngering the 1.8TSI uses the 7 speed DSG which is a dry plate setup that is different to the standard 6 speed DSG. I believe the 7 speed version is far more marginal as far as torque goes.

Just a quick apology... Mis-clicked and rated the thread as 1 star. Sorry all.

There was no warning or confirmation and it won't let me change it.

guys seriously stop scaremongering about the torque there are lots guys in the DSG K04 GTIs running in excess of 370-380Hp and nearly 400Ibft of torque. and thats not including the guys with the big turbo conversions etc.

im sure if they are fine with them, then you will be ok in a 1.8TSI.

Also take into consideration if you use a reputable tuner and not a micky mouse 200 quid one, then they will have the knowledge of what the DSG, turbo, internals etc can handle.

you can also get the DSG 'remapped' by REVO and GIAC and this allows the car to run the torque safely

Sy it's a completely different box as mentioned to the one in the ED30.

Their is a known acceptable Torque Limit (according to VAG) of 250lb/ft with the 7 Speed box. Wether that is true or not remains to be seen. I certainly wouldn't want to push it past 300lb/ft as no doubt VAG have said 250lb/ft which will have some leeway but not much o would have thought.

A new DSG box would be circa £4k.

@OP

Best bet is to speak to Ben @ Shark or REVO or APR and see if they do any maps and what they Advise

Ah didnt realise it was the 7sp DSG. ignore that then ai presumed that since the vRS DSG and GTI DSG are the same then the 1.8TSI will be to

the reputable tuner paragraph still remains true though that they will know what can be done

Edited 17 June, 201016 yr by vRSy

Their is a known acceptable Torque Limit (according to VAG) of 250lb/ft with the 7 Speed box.

Just wait a minute: Are you sure the torque limit is really 250 lb/ft ? I've understood that it would be 250 Nm, which is typical torque in 1.8TSI engines. And that is way lower than 250 lb/ft (ca. 339 Nm)?

If the limit is really that high, then I think I should have nothing to worry about, because max. torque will be only 310 Nm after remapping...

So which one is correct?

Just wait a minute: Are you sure the torque limit is really 250 lb/ft ? I've understood that it would be 250 Nm, which is typical torque in 1.8TSI engines. And that is way lower than 250 lb/ft (ca. 339 Nm)?

If the limit is really that high, then I think I should have nothing to worry about, because max. torque will be only 310 Nm after remapping...

So which one is correct?

Oops sorry yes it's 250nm. Was typing and new it was 250nm but put lb/ft as had been replying to something else

Apparently they can handle a fair bit more but I would speak to whoever you are going to get to remap it. I would use a reputable tuner like Sy said

Carl

On a side note. The same box is used in the new Fabia vRS. If it's limit really is 250nm then they are working it hard in that as that has 250nm as standard. I doubt any manufacturer would set the car right on the limit of a gearbox capability from the off.

But the best advice I can give would be to speak to Ben @ Shark. He will give you a no BS assessment

Thanks but why should I search Audi forums if my car is Octavia? ;-) Besides, AFAIK Audi doesn't have DSG7, but tip/multitronic (although engine is the same TFSI/TSI).

Smaller engined Audis have used a 7 speed DSG box since @2005....... Audi usually gets the technology 1st, VW 2nd and Skoda/seat 3rd.... same with the TSi engine.

I used the Scirrocco forum when looking at my remap as far more had experience of the 2.0 Tsi engine at the time.

On a side note. The same box is used in the new Fabia vRS. If it's limit really is 250nm then they are working it hard in that as that has 250nm as standard. I doubt any manufacturer would set the car right on the limit of a gearbox capability from the off.

But the best advice I can give would be to speak to Ben @ Shark. He will give you a no BS assessment

No, not working it hard, just running at it's designed maximum. If it can take 250nm for 300k miles, why not let it?

That's why the PD170, CR170 and the 265ps TFSI engines only produce 350nm, it's the gearbox safe limit. However, I think the 6spd DSG is more tolerant of higher torque outputs than 350nm, Audi issued a warning to the tuners about the 7sp DSG when it was launched, saying it's not a good idea to ramp up the torque over the 250nm rated limit...

Many (turbocharged) cars are torque limited due to gearbox limitations, V8 RS6, Merc V12turboe etc all are/were limited for that reason.

Edited 18 June, 201016 yr by Staedtler

No, not working it hard, just running at it's designed maximum. If it can take 250nm for 300k miles, why not let it?

That's why the PD170, CR170 and the 265ps TFSI engines only produce 350nm, it's the gearbox safe limit. However, I think the 6spd DSG is more tolerant of higher torque outputs than 350nm, Audi issued a warning to the tuners about the 7sp DSG when it was launched, saying it's not a good idea to ramp up the torque over the 250nm rated limit...

Many (turbocharged) cars are torque limited due to gearbox limitations, V8 RS6, Merc V12turboe etc all are/were limited for that reason.

Yeah yeah, I think most of us know the risks, safety limits etc etc... But let's just stay in the original topic, shall we? I just want to know If cars - specifically Octavias - with 1.8 TSI DSG7 has been remapped and with what kind of results. So far no-one has confessed :wonder:

Nice to notice that this arouses conversation, though.

Edited 18 June, 201016 yr by Skoctavia

In the Netherlands there is a well known tuner, JD engineering (at least well known with the VAG-owners). I've had contact with these guys with the same question as the topicstarter.

Normally JD tunes the 1,8tsi to 210hp and 340Nm. For the DSG7 the story is a bit different, the clutch starts to smoke at 350Nm so JD advises to tune till 310-320Nm. He also adjusts the gearboxshift-program, The D is a bit more like the S, say a "half S".

Sounds promising. Can you give us more detailed information how power and torque increased from standard?

My remap is from Shark Performance, I can't give any figures as they don't supply any but I'd estimate the power as being around 200hp but have no way of knowing for sure.

What I can say is that the car is much improved for overtaking, previously I felt that the 1.8TSi offered good low low to midrange torque but was a bit flat above 4000rpm, now the power just keeps on coming and it now pulls much more convincingly all the way to the red line. Fuel economy has also improved since the remap (though that may be partly down to the warmer weather) and I'm getting around 39mpg at the moment, which is pretty good for the performance on offer.

But is your car fitted with the DSG7 gearbox? That's the question you failed to answer.

But is your car fitted with the DSG7 gearbox? That's the question you failed to answer.

No, its a manual as I clearly stated in my first post on this thread.

But we wan't to know about DSG7 cars not manual ones.

Since the engine is the same, performance will be similar to the manual. As to whether or not the DSG is up to the task, who knows, and short of some one appearing here and admitting to having remapped a DSG and then subsequently experiencing DSG failure, its unlikely you will find a definative answer.