I've read on here over the years that the stock clutch can take x amount of torque.. a turbo this and the DMF that..

I was just wondering, after having quickly read the PD130 is the same (excluding turbo and map) as a PD150. it's got me thinking.

Do all non standard maps have an element of risk? Or is there a truly "Safe" limit to a map for a 100% stock Fabia vRS that would mean not having to "drive" around it for fear of blowing things up??

I'd hazard a guess it's around 160/290 with a smooth progressive curve?

I'm not suggesting foot to the floor from 1k as that wouldn't do a stock car any good either.. but at least with the stock car if ya mess it up or panic there's less risk?

Mine ran a generic AmD map of +/-170 and 290 for around 110k miles before the standard original turbo gave up. No clutch slip.

Torque is the killer really. Keep the torque down and the drivetrain and turbo will suffer less as a rule. The only problem is that the standard turbo is designed to flow better lower down and so the best gains are seen in the torque rather than BHP.

170bhp 300lbsft seems to be where most reputable tuners will map to. As this is the case i'm assuming this will be the safe limit.

179bhp and 334lb on a standard clutch for 18 months and 18,000 miles with no problems. There is no clutch slippage as long as you are in the correct gear.

Edited 24 August, 201015 yr by Irvtheswerv

179bhp and 334lb on a standard clutch for 18 months and 18,000 miles with no problems. There is no clutch slippage as long as you are in the correct gear.

OK Irv, I'm not trying to be an 4rse here, but I don't really understand the above comment.

You have to be in the correct gear? So there is clutch slippage then? Can you explain how you can be in the wrong gear which must cause slippage?

Thanks, SR

But is the "safe limit" a map you can ignore and just drive though? Or would you have to be more conscious of your driving style?

It's like.. if you bought a PD150 golf you wouldn't expect it to break and you'd drive it with out thinking about it.. (not like an idiot though, obviously).. but do ya know what I mean?

Plenty of standard cars break though, so where is the "safe" line?

Plenty of standard cars break though, so where is the "safe" line?

Well, yeah,, I guess that's a fair comment.. but there's breaking because it broke.. and breaking because you weren't paying attention after you had it mapped.

depends on how its driven

even if you drove a standard vrs around everywhere using the low end grunt below 2k it wouldnt be long before you minced the clutch and flywheel in it

You have to be in the correct gear?

think he means Jeans and a T shirt, not jogging bottoms

It's down to the driver really, and how the car is driven.

think he means Jeans and a T shirt, not jogging bottoms

Thanks for clearing tha one up Mr Goldfinger sir. Very helpful.

depends on how its driven

even if you drove a standard vrs around everywhere using the low end grunt below 2k it wouldnt be long before you minced the clutch and flywheel in it

exactly, drive any car like a pleb, and it`ll break, drive it correctly and it wont, providing it`s within its limits. IMO, 175ish bhp on a otherwise standard fabia.

Matt

Thanks for clearing tha one up Mr Goldfinger sir. Very helpful.

Glad to Help Mr Sausage

Owt else your stuck with just ask

exactly, drive any car like a pleb, and it`ll break, drive it correctly and it wont, providing it`s within its limits. IMO, 175ish bhp on a otherwise standard fabia.

Matt

Yup i think any kind of map carries a risk, all i would say is do your research before getting a map, we have had to sort out some horrendous mapping recently as people are increasingly drawn towards the cheapest maps and not necessarily the best mappers