Not many! I've never came across one ctr's are one of the slower 'hot' hatches

Focus st's aint too quick either (i had one)

Ctr.....depends really. Manny are modified with a jrsc and easily put out 300bhp- my Jdm ctr was supercharged and could keep up with my mates evo 6.

A mate of mine has just had his turbo'd. It's evil!

Not many! I've never came across one ctr's are one of the slower 'hot' hatches

Focus st's aint too quick either (i had one)

When you compare a modified vrs to a modified ctr, the ctr is way quicker.

When you compare a modified vrs to a modified ctr, the ctr is way quicker.

Depends how it's modified. You need either a charger or turbo to get any decent gains in vtec!

Obviously.... I have whooped many a ctr in standard / near standard guise!

If you want fast you buy a petrol

+200bhp out of a diesel is nice! I still get 50mpg and i can kick it with the big hot hatches! Win win! They get 25 mpg i get 50mpg its a no brainer for me

Obviously.... I have whooped many a ctr in standard / near standard guise!

If you want fast you buy a petrol

+200bhp out of a diesel is nice! I still get 50mpg and i can kick it with the big hot hatches! Win win! They get 25 mpg i get 50mpg its a no brainer for me

yeah that was my plan - i will be keeping my aero which is knocking on 300bhp at the mo soon to be 350, but id like something small that can still return good mpg when im not in the mood and doing the long journeys..

Brake upgrade helps so you dont die and suspension helps too so you dont roll over

I did smile when I read that... Got to agree too!

OK, OK,

Forget the ARB. I just thought Ibize FR plus ARB and the suspension job is probably done. Unlike my VRS which also needed Eibach springs and dampers.

Brakes: If you're going to hammer them, upgrade them, otherwise, if you drive sensibly, probably not worth it.

IMO decat plus exhaust, THEN a remap will make the most out of the turbo, assuming a "17" hybrid. You'll make the broadest power band, have lower EMPs and temperatures.

Limit torque/boost/overboost at spool up and you can make 200BHP without having monster torque. Only the individual can decide whether the chatter/clatter from an SMF is something they wish to live with.

Personally, I'd go FMIC, Turbo, Decat/exhaust, then remap with goals of 280lbft limit and 200+bhp.

J.

When you compare a modified vrs to a modified ctr, the ctr is way quicker.

+1

I found sorting the handling out was a very good step, I used to have FMIC, hybrid stage 1 then later 2, full exhaust (not so much for the power that one), 312 mm brakes, rear ARB, rear strut, front strut. Eibachs and Koni FSDs. It was a good combination, although you can go more extreme, or lower, or both lol.

I ran with an uprated Sachs clutch, and didnt have any trouble with the power which was at about 200 bhp, very low for what it could have done and it was tuned up later in 'the fabia vrs estate' by Ross - also, I had a quaffe ATB diff which really helped put the power down whilst cornering.

There are many cars out there that are faster, or slower. It was one of the most enjoyable cars I've owned, easy to drive for long drives, fast or slow.

I disagree that the stock brakes don't need to be upgraded though (fronts) - the 312mm gives incomparably better feedback - although suspension upgrades reduced the dive a LOT, which was part of the problem with the standard setup for me. I found the 312s didn't fade for me but I guess if you really go for it, maybe you could, who knows. I have not driven on the track and I would imagine that would push them a lot harder again.

Definitely looks like you're able to spend a nice chunk of cash making it run smooth and safe - it will put a smile on your face

OK, OK,

Forget the ARB. I just thought Ibize FR plus ARB and the suspension job is probably done. Unlike my VRS which also needed Eibach springs and dampers.

Brakes: If you're going to hammer them, upgrade them, otherwise, if you drive sensibly, probably not worth it.

IMO decat plus exhaust, THEN a remap will make the most out of the turbo, assuming a "17" hybrid. You'll make the broadest power band, have lower EMPs and temperatures.

Limit torque/boost/overboost at spool up and you can make 200BHP without having monster torque. Only the individual can decide whether the chatter/clatter from an SMF is something they wish to live with.

Personally, I'd go FMIC, Turbo, Decat/exhaust, then remap with goals of 280lbft limit and 200+bhp.

J.

if that's your goal. get a PD160 and map it. job done

if that's your goal. get a PD160 and map it. job done

Already got one. (why is there no "smug" emoticon here, scoobynet's got one....)

As the Fabia's supposed to be my sensible car, it's got a PD160 plus remap on the engine/power side of things.

Eibachs + Jabba ARB to make it handle. I find the brakes fine, though they do fade badly if I am pushing on a bit. A couple of slows for T junctions and RH turns and they have wilted.

J.

Edited 15 September, 201015 yr by vindaloo

CTR yes, ITR and VXR yes but 330 and Focus ST? Wrong league of car to compare against IMO. You are gonna need a serious amount of HP to embarrass one of these!

I think you'll find every single car you just named is around the same speed, roughly. The ST and 330 are definitely not noticably faster than a CTR, ITR, or Corsa VXR, if they are faster at all. I'd have to say that a well driven ITR / CTR would probably have the edge on all the other cars there, if anything.

PS - How is a 330 and an ST in a different league to a Type R? Power to weight ratio is almost identical on all these cars..

I think you'll find every single car you just named is around the same speed, roughly. The ST and 330 are definitely not noticably faster than a CTR, ITR, or Corsa VXR, if they are faster at all. I'd have to say that a well driven ITR / CTR would probably have the edge on all the other cars there, if anything.

PS - How is a 330 and an ST in a different league to a Type R? Power to weight ratio is almost identical on all these cars..

St will edge ctr top end, ctr's are only good for 145 wheras an st will motor past 150

And corsa vxr's are pants! Slow full stop and run out of puff 135

P.s i've never done it on uk roads

Edited 15 September, 201015 yr by BigJase88

And corsa vxr's are pants! Slow full stop and run out of puff 135

I loved my corsa vxr in standard form, loved it even more when Ian @ midpoint garage tuned it to 260bhp and 330 lbs of torque But I was always worried about the dreaded piston 4 problem. Luckily though, never encountered it myself. A standard corsa vxr will just about stay with a standard ctr.....Just.

Also, just to add, why are people compareing the corsa vxr to the ctr as their not in the same "car class"? For a fair comparison, the ctr should be compared to the astra vxr. The corsa is in the same class as clio's, fiesta's e.t.c.

Edited 15 September, 201015 yr by kawi kid

St will edge ctr top end, ctr's are only good for 145 wheras an st will motor past 150

And corsa vxr's are pants! Slow full stop and run out of puff 135

P.s i've never done it on uk roads

British roads are so naff I don't think I dare go past 70mph on them! You never know where the next bloody pothole or speed hump will be! Don't see the point in being able to top 100mph, let alone 150mph, unless you're in Germany...

Edited 15 September, 201015 yr by Bezzy

Already got one. (why is there no "smug" emoticon here, scoobynet's got one....)

As the Fabia's supposed to be my sensible car, it's got a PD160 plus remap on the engine/power side of things.

Eibachs + Jabba ARB to make it handle. I find the brakes fine, though they do fade badly if I am pushing on a bit. A couple of slows for T junctions and RH turns and they have wilted.

J.

I didn't mean a PD160 intake, I meant if you were only after 200bhp and 280lbft or so then due to it's bigger turbo a PD160 Ibiza with a map would've seen you right. it's also got the FMIC, sportier suspension and 312's as standard

I didn't mean a PD160 intake, I meant if you were only after 200bhp and 280lbft or so then due to it's bigger turbo a PD160 Ibiza with a map would've seen you right. it's also got the FMIC, sportier suspension and 312's as standard

Brakes are AP 4 pots! Could well use the 312mm discs - i dont know

Brakes are AP 4 pots! Could well use the 312mm discs - i dont know

yup, 4 piston AP's and they use boggo VAG 312 disks

Edited 15 September, 201015 yr by andypandypoos

I didn't mean a PD160 intake, I meant if you were only after 200bhp and 280lbft or so then due to it's bigger turbo a PD160 Ibiza with a map would've seen you right. it's also got the FMIC, sportier suspension and 312's as standard

Can of worms... Optimistic getting 200bhp out of a standard "VB" turbo. Some cars might make it, some might not.

I agree about the Cupra 160PD, it's a better starting point. A bit rare though compared to the number of FRs and lowlier Ibizas and other PD130 cars out there.

J.

I had a 3.0 Z4 a year back and thought its performance was pants to be honest

I have a 3.0i Z4 atm. It is pants sometimes....for a 231bhp lightweight car it can seem a bit lacklustre.

CTR yes, ITR and VXR yes but 330 and Focus ST? Wrong league of car to compare against IMO. You are gonna need a serious amount of HP to embarrass one of these!

Standard 330i vs Remapped fabia is about the same from 30mph >, maybe even catching slightly

1/4 mile against the 330i was dead on even when i was at york (i did have my sub plus 3/4 a tank of diesel)

^^^ what he said, I had that experience when I had a remap alone against a 330i (old shape)

Now, wants all this "not off the line" rubbish about... I have no issue with the correct suspension set up, launching and getting good times?

0-60ft in 2.0 seconds?

0-60mph in 5.0 seconds?

0-330ft in 5.7 seconds?

Its all in the launch...

After that, my car is bloody slow