My view of that would be that if they are bumper to bumper in lanes 3 and 4 then it is congested, so a careful and measured "undertake" in lanes 1 or 2 would be OK (ish).

We had the crazy situation a couple of months ago taking the caravan down the M5 to Devon in that lane 3 was nose to tail at 50, whilst I was sat in lane 1 with the trucks doing 55, and lane 2 was empty!! In that case I don't think anyone would criticise the undertake!

My view of that would be that if they are bumper to bumper in lanes 3 and 4 then it is congested, so a careful and measured "undertake" in lanes 1 or 2 would be OK (ish).

We had the crazy situation a couple of months ago taking the caravan down the M5 to Devon in that lane 3 was nose to tail at 50, whilst I was sat in lane 1 with the trucks doing 55, and lane 2 was empty!! In that case I don't think anyone would criticise the undertake!

Well, IMO this is certainly "congested traffic moving in queues" within the meaning of the act, and everyone in L3 was also guilty of "driving without due consideration..."

When your sat in rolling traffic its inevitable that there is going to be untaking going on else all trafic would stop,

When your sat on motorway and there is nothing for miles infront or behind and you have some plank just sat in the middle lane infornt of you then i would say it would be more dangerious to change out 3 lands and back again than just undertake the said plank in the midddle lane

Maybe it varies by driving school - it's certainly not taught at Hendon

Chris

Londonshire I see, they have some interesting techniques and some practices which are not accepted by the rest of the home office forces. Up until l very recently many forces did not accept a response driving qualification obtained in the MET and transferees had to do a three week course with county forces.

Londonshire I see, they have some interesting techniques and some practices which are not accepted by the rest of the home office forces. Up until l very recently many forces did not accept a response driving qualification obtained in the MET and transferees had to do a three week course with county forces.

Interesting - it seems to be in line with Thames Valley, South Wales and the PSNI courses. Are there any specific techniques or practices that weren't liked - we're talking about the standard response course rather than the advance course?

Chris

Interesting - it seems to be in line with Thames Valley, South Wales and the PSNI courses. Are there any specific techniques or practices that weren't liked - we're talking about the standard response course rather than the advance course?

Chris

That depends on when they were compared, all courses should now follow the home office and ACPO guidelines. It was there shorter course that was considered inadequate by forces further North.

London possible still teach response over 2 weeks and do a split 4 week advanced course with students sent back to division allowed to drive advanced cars but not pursue rather than following the ACPO driving grades.

They did and possibly still do teach proper grip in relation to gear changing which is quite an old fashioned technique long abandonded by other forces and services in favour of spending time developing other skills.

"proper grip in relation to gear changing " ?

"proper grip in relation to gear changing " ?

Check some old copies of roadcraft, it's to do with having your hand and thumb in a certain position on the gear lever when changing gear.

London possible still teach response over 2 weeks and do a split 4 week advanced course with students sent back to division allowed to drive advanced cars but not pursue rather than following the ACPO driving grades.

They do, however the course isn't split. If after 3 weeks the driver isn't making the grade but they are still good enough to be a level 2 driver then they pass the level 2 aspect of the course. Everyone else comes back for the final week for their level 1

They did and possibly still do teach proper grip in relation to gear changing which is quite an old fashioned technique long abandonded by other forces and services in favour of spending time developing other skills.

yeah they still do, One of the many things I'm bricking it about when my level 3 course comes up with, especially considering my driving a DSG

Check some old copies of roadcraft, it's to do with having your hand and thumb in a certain position on the gear lever when changing gear.

Cheers - It sounds like "prescriptive male bovine faeces" to me. What you should do with a modern remote control synchro box is bound to have changed from the days when the gear kn0b did more miles than the vehicles did! More seriously, I was taught to guide the lever with my fingers round the kn0b, using my wrist, but that didn't work on a Morris 1000 the way it does on my Octy.

I was taught to guide the lever with my fingers round the kn0b, using my wrist,

I keep explaining that to the wife, but she can't seem to it right