Have some Eibach pro-kit springs & Neuspeed 25mm RARB going on the car soon -I've seen a few members on here have the WALK. Questions-

• What does it actually do?
  
• Do anyone apart from Whiteline make them?
  
• I presume I'll need the car tracked again after fitting?
  
• Price?
  

Thanks in advance-I predict replies from Pagey, Janner_Sy, Brimma, Wardy, Wardth, although not necessarily in that order (& obviously I'm usually wrong )

Although not for Skoda,

I had one on my last Impreza, and here's a description.

http://www.subaru-impreza.org/forum/exterior/27072-info-anti-lift-kit.html

In short WALK *Whiteline anti lift kit" Helps keeps the front of the car to the ground during acceleration

often when the engine shifts the front end lihgtens making the wheels loose traction

The kit helps provent this.. mines got an awful hop going on when i go for it

After fitting ARB Sussy.. wait for the WALK and have the lot setup in 1 go.. save on tehcoin

Ive never heard of any other company producing these kits

I'd be prepared to be proved (not "proof by assertion" though) wrong on this one, but I'd have thought that rear-end squat was more of a problem than front end geometric lift with road spring rates?

Isnt it the lifting of the front and transfer of weight to the back that makes the rear end "squat"?

As the name implies, it's about reducing lift. This is really meaning lift, all be it slightly, of the front axle when power is applied. So the kit is about controlling this movement, as well as increasing the caster angle, to try and help achieve this.

There's a good page detailing the technical aspects on Whiteline's site:

http://www.whiteline.com.au/vehicle_alignment.php

Is something I plan on trying on the Octy, when I have a few spare pennies

Cheers,

Steve

Also, on your other questions:

* Do anyone apart from Whiteline make them? Not that I've seen.

* I presume I'll need the car tracked again after fitting? Most definitely. And most benefit will be brought by having it setup properly, rather than a quick checkover at Kwik-Fit etc

* Price? Think the kit's around £160. Try Awesome's site

Cheers all. Doubt I'll have the dough for a new kit for a while, I'll keep an eye on t'bay....

2nd hand kits do come up sometimes, on here or other forums. Usually around £120, that seems be the going rate 2nd hand.

Steve

£165 from JKM, as a guide:

http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/tfsimisc.htm

here is an excellent review with all the technical info in tech and laymens terms

WALK review

or an alternative to the WALK are these eccentric bushes

super pro bush review

Seen this product before but always thought it was a waste of money? but now i am trying to push 260+ hp through the front wheels i need something to help stop it from tramping, has anyone had this fitted and does it work? Phil.

yes and yes. i had eibach ARBs, set to rear stiff, front soft. The WALK, AP coilovers and the lower engine mount. i acn honestly say that i had no axle tramp and wheel hop was all but gone. loads of grip in the corners compared to standard.

the only thing i wished for was a larger over steer balance on the car. it was still a little to neutral for my likeing. my plans were to fit a stiffer rear ARB and the TT lower arms to make her a little more loose at the back.

have a read through those links i posted above your reply. loads of comments of people experiences in them

Edited 24 November, 201015 yr by janner_Sy

Must admit the Golf 5 forum had a very large thread on this

ALL recond that it worked well

I understand how it works , all you have to do is look at cars going rouind the track

One wheel in the air and one dug in to the bend

But when you look at race cars , they dont have that issue

So does it work , yes , I think so , so many people can not be wrong

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php

Try that forum

Awesome do them , plus they price match too if anyone has them cheaper

Sarah

Must admit the Golf 5 forum had a very large thread on this

ALL recond that it worked well

I understand how it works , all you have to do is look at cars going rouind the track

One wheel in the air and one dug in to the bend

But when you look at race cars , they dont have that issue

So does it work , yes , I think so , so many people can not be wrong

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php

Try that forum

Awesome do them , plus they price match too if anyone has them cheaper

Sarah

beat you to it in post#11 :p

Yes, the WALK will increase front-end traction. Its a bit mis-named though, it does not actually reduce lift; it increases front suspension compliance and thereby enables the wheels to track road undulations a little better. It works by relocating the rear mount of the front wishbones both downwards and outwards. This increases the caster angle (by about 1 degree) which increases front suspension compliance by about 15% (if you do the maths). A by-product is slightly stronger steering self-centering and slightly heavier steering. All in all it does what it claims to do, although its not a transformation and probably something that can be done once you have a stiffer rear ARB fitted.

PS - its easy to fit if you have basic tools - I did a 'how to' some time ago.

Edited 24 November, 201015 yr by Hauptmann

beat you to it in post#11 :p

I was just backing you up

(did I get away with that do you think?

Lol

sarah

Yes, the WALK will increase front-end traction. Its a bit mis-named though, it does not actually reduce lift; it increases front suspension compliance and thereby enables the wheels to track road undulations a little better. It works by relocating the rear mount of the front wishbones both downwards and outwards. This increases the caster angle (by about 1 degree) which increases front suspension compliance by about 15% (if you do the maths). A by-product is slightly stronger steering self-centering and slightly heavier steering. All in all it does what it claims to do, although its not a transformation and probably something that can be done once you have a stiffer rear ARB fitted.

PS - its easy to fit if you have basic tools - I did a 'how to' some time ago.

Seems that it pushes down on the bushes , to stop the wheel from lifting , so comes anti lift kit

Sarah

yes and yes. i had eibach ARBs, set to rear stiff, front soft. The WALK, AP coilovers and the lower engine mount. i acn honestly say that i had no axle tramp and wheel hop was all but gone. loads of grip in the corners compared to standard.

the only thing i wished for was a larger over steer balance on the car. it was still a little to neutral for my likeing. my plans were to fit a stiffer rear ARB and the TT lower arms to make her a little more loose at the back.

have a read through those links i posted above your reply. loads of comments of people experiences in them

Many thanks for your quick reply. One further question would they work with standard spring setup the reason i am asking is ive refitted my original springs because her in doors persuaded me to buy a caravan and the eibach springs sat the car to low to tow. (sad but true) :'( Phil.

Many thanks for your quick reply. One further question would they work with standard spring setup the reason i am asking is ive refitted my original springs because her in doors persuaded me to buy a caravan and the eibach springs sat the car to low to tow. (sad but true) :'( Phil.

I think you would see more benefit of the WALK on a more standard setup car.

when i get my next vRS i wont be going down the suspension/spring route at all. Ill be going for a very stiff ARB setup, with WALK, and TT arms. that way my ride isnt compromised at all, yet roll resistance and wheel geometry is maintained for optimum traction

I think you would see more benefit of the WALK on a more standard setup car.

when i get my next vRS i wont be going down the suspension/spring route at all. Ill be going for a very stiff ARB setup, with WALK, and TT arms. that way my ride isnt compromised at all, yet roll resistance and wheel geometry is maintained for optimum traction

Nice one mate i will have to get some orded

i think that preloading the front/rear using the handbrake erradicates this on the initial go, certainly the quickest way off the line. I suppose 2nd and 3rd would benefit though.

Many thanks for your quick reply. One further question would they work with standard spring setup

Most definitely YES.

I had a WALK fitted to my vRS a couple of years ago and it worked an absolute treat. Not only is there is a noticeable improvement in traction whilst cornering and negation of understeer ('cos the car pulls into the apex of a corner) but there is a significant improvement in straight line traction which eliminated the horrible 'axle tramp' that would occur when getting wheelspin in the wet.

Have a read of this thread from November 2008 that gives you a load more information and comment (beware its quite long);- http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/114740-whiteline-suspension-bits/page__p__1527563__hl__walk__fromsearch__1entry1527563

For quick digestion here is my post #17 from the thread;-

Well got my Whiteline Anti-Lift (WALK) kit fitted early last week and have now had a moderate, although not extensive, chance to assess the results.

Initial response; Driving my car away from the garage I immediately noticed the 'anti-lift' with the feel of a great forceful hand pressing down on the front of the car and the nose not rising under acceleration, plus the steering felt meatier and more direct (clearly as a result of the new bushes, compared to the OE ones that are decidedly set for comfort). There was a noticeable, if small, increase in road noise.

Having now driven the car for a few days and had the opportunity to test the effects of the WALK kit overall it does exactly as described in the promotional literature (and more).

Straight Line acceleration; the 'anti-lift' works strongly to provide more relative weight on the front wheels and thus give better traction. This has meant that I can be more forceful with throttle application without fear of the tsunami of TDI torque producing wheelspin, and when the traction control does kick in (eventually) it is very progressive. It also seems to have eradicated the horrible habit of 'axle-tramp' accompanying the wheelspin. Top marks.

General Handling; I already have an uprated rear ARB to reduce (inherent) understeer and the addition of the WALK kit has noticeably improved steering response. The degree of softness and lack of initial bite in the OE setup has completely gone and the steering is now almost race car direct. Essentially its a case of turn the wheel and the nose responds instantly. Once in a corner the steering is pin point accurate and it is easy to make minor line adjustments and corrections.

Acceleration whilst cornering; simply put - a huge improvement. The combination of the two factors above allow much stronger power application when cornering with the car keeping a tight line instead of running wide or loosing traction. Traction control can still intervene but much later than before.

I have yet to explore the benefits of the WALK kit in the wet but I'd expect them to be more marked than in the dry.

Overall; a really worthwhile upgrade to my car, particularly in providing better traction for the delivery of my TDI's torque.

Would I recommend it? A difficult decision as to whether it is better than a rear ARB upgrade as IMHO they influence the car in different ways. An ARB is more expensive to buy but easier and cheaper, even DIY, to fit; whereas the WALK kit requires professional installation and at 1.6 hours (Skoda official time) plus 4 wheel alignment afterwards (yet to have this done) costs more. Pays your money and takes your choice. perhaps my conclusion would be for general road use get a rear ARB, but if you are venturing onto the track, the WALK kit is essential.

PS> I have discovered one major downside! With the new found ability to apply power without losing traction I'm using the throttle more liberally; with a consequential lowering of my fuel consumption.

PPS> Reflecting on the comments I posted last night; I feel I have to say that the WALK kit has had the most positive effect on my car, aside of Koni FSDs, of any of the tweaks I have, as it has gone a huge way of sorting the vRS TDI's significant bugbear of the relative lack of traction for the power/torque available.

I was forever having to moderate throttle application (in OE spec) for fear of breaking traction; I can now use liberal applications with impunity.

Thanks again for all replies I'll be running std. dampers with the Eibachs-seems like the WALK is next on the wish list then. Now to try & find Hauptmanns how-to.....

Thanks again for all replies I'll be running std. dampers with the Eibachs-seems like the WALK is next on the wish list then. Now to try & find Hauptmanns how-to.....

id say the anti roll bars are of more benefit from my own experience.

Also consider the labour costs. a rear ARB is really cheap to install labour wise. whereas the front ARB and walk both require wheel alignm,net anda couple hours labour.

you could save money by doing the rear bar first. and then fitting a front ARB and WALK simultaneously.