Yes, just like the brochure will try to sell you the lovely "boot hover" as an accessory. Apparently it is a self levitating boot floor that does not touch any part of the car.

Indeed, as you know, it's less bovver with a hover.

so they're not fog lights when only 1 is illuminated?

so can i take 1 bulb out and then legally drive with my fog light on in clear conditions?

as to a name i suggest...

steering and speed dependent road edge illuminating forward facing lighting units with full frontal illumination reversing capability.

so they're not fog lights when only 1 is illuminated?

so can i take 1 bulb out and then legally drive with my fog light on in clear conditions?

as to a name i suggest...

steering and speed dependent road edge illuminating forward facing lighting units with full frontal illumination reversing capability.

Slips off the tongue a treat - You win the prize............

...............what was the prize?.................

Someone had asked this before regarding legislation and fog lights. BUT since they are only on one at a time they are apparently not deemed to then be fog lights! Go figure. So they are not fouling any laws. Nor would they be since all cars need EU type approval for all its functions before it can be sold within all the EU borders (and that includes us).

Talking to a VOSA vehicle inspector (who also has a Yeti) he saysthat under the EU's vehicle lighting rules (that overrule the UK's conditions & use regulations), they qualify as "Auxiliary driving lights", not fog lights, as they are above the minimum height required by law. So, it would appear that you can use them whenever you wish!

Now, I havent measured them, but the the outside edge of the illuminated area each "fog light" lens is awfully close to the limit for maximum distance in from the widest part of the vehicle for use without other lights. However, when driving with the "fog lights" on, side lights are also illuminated, so act as width marker lights - presumably meaning you are still ok!

Phew! Hope that makes sense!!! :S

Talking to a VOSA vehicle inspector (who also has a Yeti) he saysthat under the EU's vehicle lighting rules (that overrule the UK's conditions & use regulations), they qualify as "Auxiliary driving lights", not fog lights, as they are above the minimum height required by law. So, it would appear that you can use them whenever you wish!

Now, I havent measured them, but the the outside edge of the illuminated area each "fog light" lens is awfully close to the limit for maximum distance in from the widest part of the vehicle for use without other lights. However, when driving with the "fog lights" on, side lights are also illuminated, so act as width marker lights - presumably meaning you are still ok!

Phew! Hope that makes sense!!!

Hooray I can drive with them on ALWAYS and the "fog lights off" brigade can't complain Being a pedant - I always knew I was right.

Graham that has sorted your problem with auxiliary lights - you had them fitted all the time.

My understanding of the rules is this:

You can drive with the foglights on during dayligt, but not at night, unless there is limited visibility. The do not qualify as dipped beam, so cannot be used in clear weather, except where you can use the long beam lights.

Cars without dedicated DRL lights can use either fogs or dipped headlights during teh day - applies everywhere there is a requirement for DRL's, like in Scandinavia.

I've been flashing cars driving around with their foglights on for Donkeys years. Now I've got the Yeti ,The shoes on the other foot ,so to speak .I'm driving around like a mobile Christmas tree.

Careful, you'll get arrested for flashin!

Regulations re main beam lights:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/schedule/5/made

Re fog lights:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/schedule/6/made

Regulations re main beam lights:

http://www.legislati...schedule/5/made

Re fog lights:

http://www.legislati...schedule/6/made

Ah, go on, go on, go on, - you tell us! I cant be ar*ed to read all that just to know which pedantic light-man is the right-man!

I've been flashing cars driving around with their foglights on for Donkeys years.

I've never-ever-ever-ever understood people who do this.

Fog lights point down at the immediate ground in front of the car with a relatively wide beam so that in low visibility (i.e. fog) the side and centre of the road is heavily illuminated; ergo, they don't cause any offence to oncoming traffic unless a car with fog lights on appears coming towards you on a hump-back bridge, at the very worst. I suspect most people have confused auxilliary driving lights with fog lights for years, auxilliary driving lights having a long-thin beam that give better long-distance visibility. They are really for country roads but aren't illigal to use at other times.

I can't think I've ever been dazzled by a set of fog lights, or indeed auxilliary driving lights as they tend to be lower down although direct-beam. I used to have a Mk2 Punto with projector beam headlamps; they were properly aligned but gave a strong beam if approached from the opposite direction around a left-hand bend (as dipped beams will but the light was clearer) - I'd often get flashed as people thought I was driving with my main beam on, but a quick flash in return would illustrate this isn't the case; occassionally people would then flash furiously to show I'd offended their very being. Oh for a snipers riffle, or an axe to throw as they passed me...

I have fog-lights on both my cars and use them rarely - however, I'd never flash anyone else who did on moral grounds...

I gave people a cursory flash as most people forget to switch them off after "low visibility procedures are no longer in force".. The same as with people who leave their rear foglights on ( they do dazzle me.!) I also thought I was helping to thwart PC Plod,as using them when not foggy was an offence which was fineable? :wonder:

Regulations re main beam lights:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/schedule/5/made

Re fog lights:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/schedule/6/made

I think you'll find that in this case, the interpritation of the Yeti "fog lamps" as being Auxiliary lamps, rather than Main Beam or Fog Lamps, means that they comply with Dip-beam rules, ie minimum of 500mm from the ground (which they are) and maximum 400mm from the edge of the vehicle, (which I've not measured, so I cant comfirm).

But as I said originally, apparently they comply with EU lighting regs which, I am led to understand, override the UK Road Vehicle Lighting Regs.

Must admit though, having looked at Schedule 4 , I wouldn't be totally confident if I had to argue my case with Mr Plod at the roadside, having been stopped with Yeti fog lights on, either with or without normal headlights!

Aargh.... my brain hurts! :no: :S

Edited 18 December, 201015 yr by speedsport

There is also a requirement somewhere in there that says auxillary lights, but not fog lights, have to only illuminate with main beam, so the Yeti "fog" lights do not conform with that Reg. I understood that was a EU Reg as well.

There is also a requirement somewhere in there that says auxillary lights, but not fog lights, have to only illuminate with main beam, so the Yeti "fog" lights do not conform with that Reg. I understood that was a EU Reg as well.

Hmmm, fair point Graham. That is what the rules seem to say. So my man from VOSA appears to be as confused as we are. Given that various cars are now appearing with non-LED DRL's built into their below bumper fog lights (eg Fabia?) I think it fair to say that the average Mr Plod will be as unsure as we are about what's legal and what's not.

Back to the drawing board!

John

Edited 18 December, 201015 yr by speedsport

Like someone already said, now it´s more seen on the road.

Mercedes, Skoda, VW, Seat, Alfa Romeo and the Lancia Delta have them.

The only thing is that mine for example does not come on with the blinker, funny still donnot know why.

Yes they can be turned off, but why? They can also be turned off when reverse, I did once but then activated them again why?

At night in a parking lspace at the mall backing up, trying to see if you donnot hit the car next to you, with the fogs on you can see way better because it also lights up the lower part of the road unlike the main beam that does not light up anything in front of the bumper a meter or soo.

Not wanting to turn this into a fog light thread but...

Has anyone else noticed that A LOT more people are now driving with their front fogs on at night?

Recently (with this thread in mind) driving home from work I reckon every tenth car or so had them on.

As mentioned in an earlier thread I agree in that I've never actually been dazzled by an oncoming car with their front fogs on so am not really bothered either way.

I just wondered if the adoption of DRL's and cornering lights has meant that others think its OK to turn them on all of the time now?