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I've decided I want to do up the Furby a bit this year, and what to know what you think to my little plan. I aim to do the car up fairly cheaply, and address what I perceive to be its main disadvantages.

Its my belief that the top end performance, i.e. > 3,500 rpm is a little bit flat, as has already been said lots of times. Also the brakes tend to fade under heavy use.

I'm not after big numbers or anything like that, as I need to keep as much stealth and reliability for the car as I can, since I plan on keeping it for a fair while. What I would like is to be able to use the brakes with a bit more confidence. I'd also like a fair bit more go at the top of the rev range, so the car doesnt feel as strained when pushing on - the car is great if you drive between 2,000 and 3,500 however driving it harder is not particularly satisfying IMO.

So for the brakes, I plan on keeping the standard calipers and discs. I know that most people will recommend 312mm discs and calipers, however, I wish to keep the car standard looking. So I was thinking of uprated pads (like the Ferrodo from AS Performance), brake hoses and fluid... this should be fine for normal road driving shouldnt it?

As for the remap, I'm thinking of a custom job from Jabba or Star, I think I want a very nice difference to performance in the higher gears, but dont want any clutch problems, so I feel a map that is both conservative, and gives most of its torque at higher revs will be best... 175 bhp thereabouts would be fine I think. Maybe accompany it with a Cupra PD160 ducting?

Thats about it really... I am happy enough with the way the car handles, and speaking purely personally, I dont wish to spend too much on it, as it seems pointless to spend too much on what is essentially a budget hatchback, and instead, if I want big numbers and performance, its probably going to be best to do it with something else...

So what do you think to my plan?

Sounds good, although you might want to budget for a clutch too

Chris

Thats the point see, I want to tune it so the standard clutch can cope. I'd guess that means having no extra torque as standard until it gets higher in the rev range, around 2,500 rpm I'd guess.

To be honest, the in gear performance is pretty fine as it is, but I'd like it to be keener at the top end of the rev range. It has to be possible as some members on cupra net have theirs set up in this way.

With a custom remap, you could specify your requirement of peak torque (or sustained torque) @ higher revs.

I must admit that the brakes don't feel as progressive as the OEM 280mm set up on my Ibiza or Corrado. The initial bite is good, but if you need to stop quicker, you really need to push the pedal down hard.

The Octy RS doesn't need braided hosing due to them being reinforced anyway...under the rubber outer covering apparently. So, I was wondeirng whether the Furby was the same?

Thanks guys. The chap at AS Performance quoted me just shy of

Paul I'd be interested to see what you go for in the brakes department. Upgrade would be best I guess but I dont eally want the expense of changing the wheels.

Coming from a Jabba'd car the brakes are not dyer, they just dont have as much feel as what I'd like. So far they stop everytime! (touchwood)

Sounds like a nice sensible plan Paul. The DS2500 pads will be a great upgrade. The standard setup I found had good braking power (until the pads overheated) but the feel was spongy. The DS's might very well solve this.

As for the remap I'm going for the DMS system. They quote 280ftlbs compared to REVO/Jabba's 300ftlbs. So I'm hoping the clutch will last a little longer.... You could always as Jabba to map it to around the same as a Cupra TDi. Not sure of the torque the Cupra makes.

well 200 sounds alot for a set of pads tbh as the brake lines are renforced already iirc and the fluid is about 7 a litre for super dot 4.

if you could get them performance friction pads are very very very good

Paul I'd be interested to see what you go for in the brakes department. Upgrade would be best I guess but I dont eally want the expense of changing the wheels.

Coming from a Jabba'd car the brakes are not dyer' date=' they just dont have as much feel as what I'd like. So far they stop everytime! (touchwood)[/quote']

Its interesting that you find the standard brakes not too bad even with a remap... many comment on how they feel quite bad after the remap due to the extra pace... how hard do you drive? I dont think they'd be a problem if you only went from A-B, its the fast A/B road driving that pushes them.

Sounds like a nice sensible plan Paul. The DS2500 pads will be a great upgrade. The standard setup I found had good braking power (until the pads overheated) but the feel was spongy. The DS's might very well solve this.

As for the remap I'm going for the DMS system. They quote 280ftlbs compared to REVO/Jabba's 300ftlbs. So I'm hoping the clutch will last a little longer.... You could always as Jabba to map it to around the same as a Cupra TDi. Not sure of the torque the Cupra makes.

Thanks mate After what the others are saying, its probably best that I just go for the pads. Not cheap at

Also, to add, a guy from forge motorsport posts on cupranet and he reckons that the standard clutch is almost already at its absolute limit even on standard power, he appears to be trying a similar approach of more power and less torque. He actually thinks that the tuners tend to go and give you more torque because it feels more impressive, if the torque figures were left the same, then the car might drive similarly at lower revs and not feel all that impressive compared to a remap with more torque...

He actually thinks that the tuners tend to go and give you more torque because it feels more impressive

Job security for them - who are you going to go to for an uprated clutch

Chris

tbh i think pads and super dot 4 but do it ya self

Its interesting that you find the standard brakes not too bad even with a remap... many comment on how they feel quite bad after the remap due to the extra pace... how hard do you drive? I dont think they'd be a problem if you only went from A-B, its the fast A/B road driving that pushes them.

On everyday driving then they are fine, on a A-B run they seem to be fine so far, it's just to cold and wet to test the full speed of the tune. Maybe it is the extra cold weather that allows them to keep cool hence the brake fad is not that bad (is that possible guys?).

Time will tell what they are like in the summer. As for how hard I drive, it's not a track so it wont be that hard

I think you're a victim of peer group pressure.

Also, to add, a guy from forge motorsport posts on cupranet and he reckons that the standard clutch is almost already at its absolute limit even on standard power, he appears to be trying a similar approach of more power and less torque. He actually thinks that the tuners tend to go and give you more torque because it feels more impressive, if the torque figures were left the same, then the car might drive similarly at lower revs and not feel all that impressive compared to a remap with more torque...

Just read that myself.

Here a question for the more technical people. Is it possable to limit the torque but increase the bhp?

Here a question for the more technical people. Is it possable to limit the torque but increase the bhp?

Not being technical like, but...yes, should be able to. BHP being a factor of torque and engine revolutions, as the revs increase, you could decrease the torque (possibly by releasing some of the boost pressure)...

Rob.

Here a question for the more technical people. Is it possable to limit the torque but increase the bhp?

Yep, thats what I was wondering, Rob suggests it is, and the guy on cupranet seems to think its best to tune it between 2.5k and 4k, limiting the torque below that. My mate seems to think its not possible though, as power is a function of torque... :confused:

My feeling is that the PD160 which barely has any more torque than the PD130 suggests that it definitely can be done...

Yep, thats what I was wondering, Rob suggests it is, and the guy on cupranet seems to think its best to tune it between 2.5k and 4k, limiting the torque below that. My mate seems to think its not possible though, as power is a function of torque... :confused:

Isn't this what was done in the Focus RS to improve off-the-line traction in 1st and 2nd?

Chris

My mate seems to think its not possible though' date=' as power is a function of torque... :confused:

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Well, he's half right...

Rob.

Isn't this what was done in the Focus RS to improve off-the-line traction in 1st and 2nd?

Chris

Quite possibly yes

Actually, that'd be a good thing for the Furby, I dont really believe it could easily cope with any more than standard power in the first couple of gears... for me, I mainly would like to increase its performance in 3rd and above.

Isn't this what was done in the Focus RS to improve off-the-line traction in 1st and 2nd?

Chris

Power was limited to 180bhp in the first 2 gears if i remember right.

Righto....

After a lot of reading on this forum and seatcupra.net I have pretty much decided for absolute certain what the future holds for my car now...

I dont have a lot of money so I am going to attempt to do some modifications on a more "beer budget" level

So basically my plan is going to be this:-

1. Strut brace, to tighten up the steering - think that one will be first.

2. Replacement brake pads and fluid on the standard discs / calipers.

3. Seat Ibiza Cupra air intake.

4. Mr Hoot (or similar) digital tuning box.

I should be able to get all that little lot for less than

Sounds good, I have got 195 bhp and 323 lb/ft of torque, detuned by Jabba to 300 lb/ft of torque due to clutch slippage, the car seems to handle this fine and the clutch has been ok now for 5k miles - admittadly I dont cane it from 1.5k rpm but then i dont think you need to when you have 195 bhp on tap, the power is all through the range.

Brakes, i'm going for the 312mm setup, apparently I just need the front discs/pads from an Octavia vRS or similar and new carrier/callipers which should come to around

I fully admit that if I could have afforded to do what you have done, and are planning to do, I probably would, but money is REALLY tight for me, and it will take some time even for me to get the list above sorted out, but hopefully I will have most, if not all of those modifications in towards the end of summer