I'm kind of in a similar situation.

I'm looking at buying a facelift vRS as a replacement for my pre-facelift Petrol.

Me too but I'm looking at buying a facelift Petrol vRS as a replacement for my pre-facelift CR TDi vRS

I've had many Diesels because I did high mileage, around 30K per year

But now I only do around 9k per year so I am going for a Petrol vRS

Plus the waiting list for a new CR TDi vRS has gone nuts

Edited 9 February, 201115 yr by InexEng

Plus the witing list price for a new CR TDi vRS has gone nuts

Exactly

Options at the moment are:

Brand new Diesel - Long Wait, no longer get 20% Saving

Nearly new Diesel - Immediate, no 20% discount (so probably worth considering if diesel is what you want)

Brand New Petrol - Sensible'ish wait, 20% of lovely discount

Nearly new Petrol - Immediate, no 20% discount, probably simply not worth it

The New Petrol I'm pretty sure is the direction I'm going in.

Even at 10k miles a year the diesel at 40 mpg saves £700 over petrol at 28mpg. Plus it holds its value better come time to sell. Look at price of 06 petrol vs 06 diesel.

Ah yes but its going to be like 06 diesel v 07 petrol in this case surely.

I bought a petrol last year when they both had the VAT free offer on. Now brand new petrol or year old diesel its seems a no-brainer unless you're doing mega miles.

Year old car: less warranty left, tyres and brakes etc partly worn less choice of options, colours etc. I suppose you can get it in matter of days though.

(Doh)

Edited 9 February, 201115 yr by juan27

A colleague has a 56-reg. Passat CR which uses the same Siemens 'piezo' Diesel injectors as the Octavia CR. He has done about 70K in it and has had two of the injectors fail outside of warranty. This is apparently becoming a fairly common problem. The cost of replacement of EACH injector was just over £800! So £1600 on repairs in about 1 year. And he has been told the other two injectors may well fail in the near future!

Whatever the economy, modern cars can be expensive to run!

Was the CR out on a 56?

think its been decided am going to dealer at weekend to test petrol if they also have diesel may compare the 2.

but can get petrol specced to how i want it for under 18k(blk leather ,met paint,rear sensors,auto dim mirr and maxi-dot)

So now just a question of see what they offer.

Thx for the advice all.

Only you can decide....depends on mileage really and whether you like diesels. Test drive them both (back to back if possible) and make your decision.

All we need now is a certain member to tell us how wonderful the 1.8tsi is

Did I mention how good the 1.8 TSI is (especially with the 7 speed DSG).

For instance the 1.8 TSI is half a second quicker to 60 than the Diesel VRS but a whole 2 second quicker to 100 mph, 3 seconds quicker than the DSG CR VRS.

TSI VRS 18 seconds to 100mph (where permitted etc), 1.8 TSI just under 20s, diesel VRS 22s and Diesel VRS DSG 23s.

Who said they "upgrade" from from a Mk1 VRS to a Mk2 CR VRS? Upgraded in boot size and cabin space, downgraded in performance, still your laughing at the pumps I suppose.

Edited 9 February, 201115 yr by lol

think its been decided am going to dealer at weekend to test petrol if they also have diesel may compare the 2.

but can get petrol specced to how i want it for under 18k(blk leather ,met paint,rear sensors,auto dim mirr and maxi-dot)

So now just a question of see what they offer.

Thx for the advice all.

I have the petrol L&K and it is such a super bargain. Got the VRS fin put on mine and debadged as I like the L&K kit but not the silly oval badges or the non VRS boot aero lip when the VRS's looks so good. We have both a TSI VRS and the L&K, both bargains and a joy. Even got a wiesel octy1 when am feeling miserly. No brainer with the VAT deals and TSI performance and economy (38 mpg for VRS mixed driving and 42+ mpg for 1.8 TSI).

Edited 9 February, 201115 yr by lol

I have the petrol L&K and it is such a super bargain. Got the VRS fin put on mine and debadged as I like the L&K kit but not the silly oval badges or the non VRS boot aero lip when the VRS's looks so good. We have both a TSI VRS and the L&K, both bargains and a joy. Even got a wiesel octy1 when am feeling miserly. No brainer with the VAT deals and TSI performance and economy (38 mpg for VRS mixed driving and 42+ mpg for 1.8 TSI).

It took a while but we got there in the end

42+MPG in a 1.8TSI makes Jack a VERY dull boy. Performance OR Economy but not both at the same time i am afraid....

My vote is always based on miles & usage , if you do a LOT of short runs or do mostly city driving & these total to less than 12k a year, then it has to be petrol.

More than 12k a year & mostly NSL M/Way - Dual carrageway then Diesel.

Absolutely agree. The original poster should also factor in that his one year old diesel will only have 2 years warranty left (as opposed to the 3 of the brand new petrol)and certain items such as tyres,brakes etc will be part worn. But the big delta to consider is that once out of warranty he could be into failed DPF or DMF territory and then all those fuel savings might be wiped out. Assuming he keeps it that long of course!

The newer TSI engine is more efficient than the TFSI brining the difference between the two closer. Also the TSI doesn't need super unleaded.

Neither does the TFSI

It took a while but we got there in the end

42+MPG in a 1.8TSI makes Jack a VERY dull boy. Performance OR Economy but not both at the same time i am afraid....

Getting the 50 mpg is definately dull but 42 mpg not too bad ie near legal limit. Doing almost 1000 miles a week at the mo it is the relatively small fuel tank that annoys me most, about 420 miles the fuel light comes on. Hope consumption gets even better in the summer or I get braver getting closer to zero fuel range. Must try to:

- Empty the boot of most of the clag

- use Tom Tom fuel saving routes and then spend less time filling up

- stop shaming (4 cylinder) diesel engined cars

- or go back to an A4 God forbid (poor value but much bigger fuel tank).

Still got to be the TSI petrol for smiles per mile though.

Edited 9 February, 201115 yr by lol

Getting the 50 mpg is definately dull but 42 mpg not too bad ie near legal limit. Doing almost 1000 miles a week at the mo it is the relatively small fuel tank that annoys me most, about 420 miles the fuel light comes on. Hope consumption gets even better in the summer or I get braver getting closer to zero fuel range. Must try to:

- Empty the boot of most of the clag

- use Tom Tom fuel saving routes and then spend less time filling up

- stop shaming (4 cylinder) diesel engined cars

- or go back to an A4 God forbid (poor value but much bigger fuel tank).

Still got to be the TSI petrol for smiles per mile though.

So based on 420 miles before the light comes on you are getting 38-40mpg. I get around 550 miles before the light comes on which is 53mpg (i have calculated this on a 55litre tank with 8litres left when light comes on).

The way i achieve this:

- My boot is usually full!

- Tyres set at recommended pressures (not 5 or more psi above what it should be)

- near legal limit....whats that

- laugh at the petrol cars slipstreaming lorries doing 56mph dreaming of getting +50mpg.

Sound like right fun having a TSI. A-B the diesel will always be quicker on a performance/economy run. That means i get more smiles as i get more miles Tell you what as well as inters, if we have a meet at cannock we will do a route, say 10 miles and to make it fair you can follow the 'weasel' and we'll see what MPG you get 'having fun' instead of driving like a granny. I'm betting sub 30mpg

So based on 420 miles before the light comes on you are getting 38-40mpg. I get around 550 miles before the light comes on which is 53mpg (i have calculated this on a 55litre tank with 8litres left when light comes on).

The way i achieve this:

- My boot is usually full!

- Tyres set at recommended pressures (not 5 or more psi above what it should be)

- near legal limit....whats that

- laugh at the petrol cars slipstreaming lorries doing 56mph dreaming of getting +50mpg.

Sound like right fun having a TSI. A-B the diesel will always be quicker on a performance/economy run. That means i get more smiles as i get more miles Tell you what as well as inters, if we have a meet at cannock we will do a route, say 10 miles and to make it fair you can follow the 'weasel' and we'll see what MPG you get 'having fun' instead of driving like a granny. I'm betting sub 30mpg

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Have a fullish boot is a pain when you pick up a screw in the tyre as I did yesterday, fortunately there is a full sized matching alloy in the boot to replace it with.

Tyres are fine at the pressures set on the filler cap for the higher loads. It stiffens up the L&K a bit which is a good thing as I am use to driving the TSI VRS and find the L&K body rolling more than I expect. (2.3 bar front and 3 bar back).

Try and keep it under 79 mph (GPS), about 82 on the clock I think,on motorway etc as I drive 50K a year need my licence.

Not worth slipstreaming lorries at 56 mph as there is little aerodrag at this speed, 65-70 mph with guys with L200s and the like is a bit of laugh especially as they sometimes think I am cop as I have a reflective jacket I have to keep on the seat etc as I am visiting airports, ports.

Yes we should do a back to back test and see what the percentage difference is as that would be interesting.

Has anyone else noticed just how good the TSI (TFSI) engine is in the Audit A4? 210 hp yes but it is 350 NM of torque and 44 mpg combined plus 0-62 mph in 6.9 seconds, 149 g CO2. How good is that. I presume it has extra trick parts, Variable Valve timing I would guess. I/We want that engine!

Edited 10 February, 201115 yr by lol

Lol....if you are driving 50k a year why havent you got a diesel? (i only do 12k a year so i have a petrol!)

Lol....if you are driving 50k a year why havent you got a diesel? (i only do 12k a year so i have a petrol!)

the 1.8TSI is a glorious engine and its also loads quicker than the diesel VRS. Put a 'fin'....Spoiler on the back and you have yourself a VRS!

Also it is £2 a month cheaper than the diesel on company car tax.... Oh but wait:

50k @ 52MPG @ 133p/litre = £5813.75

50k @ 40MPG @ 129p/litre = £7330.57

That's a difference of £1516.82!

But the way you must have to drive to get 40mpg in a tsi you may as well buy the 1.6CR and save even more money! Have a couple of weeks all inclusive abroad and still have some change....who would have the most fun i wonder

Neither does the TFSI

That seems to be a matter of some debate

IMHO if you can get your mitts on Shell then 95 is fine.

If you use Supermarket stuff Super is needed.

That's my experience anyway.

Dunn why you have come to that conclusion all fuel diesel or petrol must meet a spec, granted the brands (shell bp etc) will have better cleaning additives but then a bottle of millers will do just the same anyway.

So based on 420 miles before the light comes on you are getting 38-40mpg. I get around 550 miles before the light comes on which is 53mpg (i have calculated this on a 55litre tank with 8litres left when light comes on).

The way i achieve this:

- My boot is usually full!

- Tyres set at recommended pressures (not 5 or more psi above what it should be)

- near legal limit....whats that

- laugh at the petrol cars slipstreaming lorries doing 56mph dreaming of getting +50mpg.

Sound like right fun having a TSI. A-B the diesel will always be quicker on a performance/economy run. That means i get more smiles as i get more miles Tell you what as well as inters, if we have a meet at cannock we will do a route, say 10 miles and to make it fair you can follow the 'weasel' and we'll see what MPG you get 'having fun' instead of driving like a granny. I'm betting sub 30mpg

Yeh but least my hands wont smell funny at the pump and i wont need to wear a gaylord glove

Dunn why you have come to that conclusion all fuel diesel or petrol must meet a spec,

All fuels for sale in the UK must meet a specification.

95 octane unleaded - BS EN 228

97 octane unleaded - BS 7800

Diesel - BS EN 590

Edited 10 February, 201115 yr by Lou_O

Acceleration isn't about "driving fun" - it's mostly handling that dictates that. By the time you get to the speed of a VRS then on a public road at least acceleration is 99% about boasting and 1% useful - you hardly ever actually need it. The diesel is quite fast enough - having all that low down torque it'll feel just as fast as the petrol until you rev it really hard - and having the same handling is just as much fun to drive down a twisty road.

The big difference is at the fuel pumps. I can find cheaper ways of massaging my ego then all the extra £££ I'd have to spend on petrol.

the 1.8TSI is a glorious engine and its also loads quicker than the diesel VRS. Put a 'fin'....Spoiler on the back and you have yourself a VRS!

Also it is £2 a month cheaper than the diesel on company car tax.... Oh but wait:

50k @ 52MPG @ 133p/litre = £5813.75

50k @ 40MPG @ 129p/litre = £7330.57

That's a difference of £1516.82!

But the way you must have to drive to get 40mpg in a tsi you may as well buy the 1.6CR and save even more money! Have a couple of weeks all inclusive abroad and still have some change....who would have the most fun i wonder

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Ahah, but you are assuming above that I (and many others) pay for the fuel that goes in the car which I do not, well not for the majority of the cost. In my current job and the last one I have a fuel card. There are different arrangements out there with fuel cards, last job just had to pay x pence per mile but current job is simple all the cost of the fuel (minus a bit of VAT deduction) is put in mt Benefit in Kind so I actual, at the very worse pay 40% of the price of fuel ie about 50p a litre. I can actually ofset this amount against my business miles reducing this further.

Also you use an MPG figure for the CR VRS which is 2.4 mpg better than the Skoda figures (49.6) and yet for mine you use figures 2.8 mpg less

ie 40 mpg instead of 42.8 mpg which is the 1.8 TSI's combined mpg so the difference is not 12 mpg but actually 6.8 mpg ie about half of the 12 mpg. So that £1500 becomes about £300 to me.

Add this to the fact that the buy price of the car, becuase equivalent performing petrols are cheaper to make and buy plus the £3.5-4k Skoda No VAT deal, and I only get £500 pm to finance the company car (and that is taxed though PAYE)it makes no sense in my case to have the diesel.

The really good thing about the diesels, and the things that most owners of diesels do not mention or often forget and is their advantage in greater range that save time (I have to fill up three times a week instead of maybe only twice if I had a diesel) and the longer service intervals ie in my experience about 24K against 19K.

I was/am thinking about changing to an Audi A4 2 litre TSI/TFSI as the range is much greater but, to my suprise the residuals are quite poor, thought Audis were general near the top of the chart on that. Have thought maybe of a 1.6CR, 7 speed DSG of course just for the log Motorway journeys, it only takes about 20hp to travel at 70/75 mph so why have 100-150 hp spare. Be interesting to how car manufactures react to diesel/petrol at 50% higher costs than a year or 2 ago.

Edited 11 February, 201115 yr by lol

If i wasnt paying for my fuel id be running round in a aston martin vantage! If your driving 50k a year then you need to be happy with what your driving as thats a long time behind the wheel in a car you dont like just to be economical,i know i couldnt do that kind of mileage a year in a car i didnt like but was economical.

Acceleration isn't about "driving fun" - it's mostly handling that dictates that. By the time you get to the speed of a VRS then on a public road at least acceleration is 99% about boasting and 1% useful - you hardly ever actually need it. The diesel is quite fast enough - having all that low down torque it'll feel just as fast as the petrol until you rev it really hard - and having the same handling is just as much fun to drive down a twisty road.

The big difference is at the fuel pumps. I can find cheaper ways of massaging my ego then all the extra £££ I'd have to spend on petrol.

On that basis everybody driving anything faster than a VRS has it purely for boasting?

IMHO the petrol VRS is quite usable to its limits (in terms of acceleration) on the public road. I don't think its that fast.

I'm too old and frazzled to drive it like that all the time though!

If economy is such an issue why not get a 1.6CR? or a Fabia for that matter or a ten year old Fiesta D. We all perhaps drive stuff that we don't strictly "need"

I've driven diesels for the last ten years and as I'm now doing a lower mileage I just fancied something that could rev to 6000rpm and sounds a little nicer before we all end up driving Nissan Leafs between charging points.

Each to their own eh?