I wouldn't describe the Octy vRS as huge or heavy, weighs less that an S3.

I agree 170ps makes it average, realistically you're in BMW 320D or Mondeo TDCi 160 territory.

+2 - huge heavy car means 170 only just makes it very average, and with the VRS badge and body kit the engine means its bite is not as bad as its bark. All show, no go.

Remap changes things though making it feel a lot more lively but still no rocketship. I want a 335d.....

My first choice was a 335d, looked at them for more than a year. saved up my pennies and when it came to it.......

........bought the vRS!!!!

Sorry, wasn't too clear. I think its heavy for 170ps and what is supposedly a sporty car. 170ps in something 200kg lighter might be more entertaining. Fabia had 160bhp and 300ft/lb when I gave that to the Mrs and that regularly put a smile on my face. Octavia felt like a step down power wise when I got that. Revved better but just lacked the overall oomph to haul it up to speed. I think its not just the ps that's the issue but the torque. Only 258ft/lb isn't much more than the old 1.9 used to put out. Again, eliminated by a visit to Mr Mappy from Mapsford in Mapshire.

Even the petrol VRS is not much more than a warm family hatch. The CR VRS is a good car and does what it does well, good economy with some performance as well. It is amasing how all these threads seem to quickly degenerate to petrol is best!!!!!!! Yes the petrol is quicker but put a better driver in the CR VRS and the difference will be neglible against an average driver in the petrol. If you are all about performance then get another make/model of car that is a true performance car. If you want a balance of cost, practicality and some performance then the petrol VRS (in standard form is good) and if you want all that and willing to sacrifice some out and out performance for economy then the CR is a good car. If you are love your petrol cars then the CR is probably not the car for you but if you like diesel then it may well be. I used to be petrol all the way but having had 2 diesel VRSs I am not sure I could go back to only 300 odd miles per tank and haing to fill up every other week (get well over 400 miles in the diesel so get another week out of a tank with the same driving style and route).

As above 170ps is more than enough for everyday driving, accelerating into gaps etc. Sure it would be great to have more but it is not really needed. Also how much more would you spend to get a similar specced 335d.

Even the petrol VRS is not much more than a warm family hatch. The CR VRS is a good car and does what it does well, good economy with some performance as well. It is amasing how all these threads seem to quickly degenerate to petrol is best!!!!!!! Yes the petrol is quicker but put a better driver in the CR VRS and the difference will be neglible against an average driver in the petrol. If you are all about performance then get another make/model of car that is a true performance car. If you want a balance of cost, practicality and some performance then the petrol VRS (in standard form is good) and if you want all that and willing to sacrifice some out and out performance for economy then the CR is a good car. If you are love your petrol cars then the CR is probably not the car for you but if you like diesel then it may well be. I used to be petrol all the way but having had 2 diesel VRSs I am not sure I could go back to only 300 odd miles per tank and haing to fill up every other week (get well over 400 miles in the diesel so get another week out of a tank with the same driving style and route).

As above 170ps is more than enough for everyday driving, accelerating into gaps etc. Sure it would be great to have more but it is not really needed. Also how much more would you spend to get a similar specced 335d.

Ha ha, but thats why there are two, cos we are all different.

And yes the Octavia is only a 'warm hatch', but what an all rounder. its not the best in any single category, but its pretty darn good at everything, and take them to mapland and they can get pretty warm too.

Regards the 335d, thats the main reason I didnt get one, worked out I could have a CR AND a TSI for the same money!

just so I dont sit on the fence too much, my money is on the new TSI, its just so refined. petrol technology lagged behind for a few years, this just blew me away.

anyway surely we need a good old discussion on here, thats what its for isnt it?

Even the petrol VRS is not much more than a warm family hatch. The CR VRS is a good car and does what it does well, good economy with some performance as well. It is amasing how all these threads seem to quickly degenerate to petrol is best!!!!!!! Yes the petrol is quicker but put a better driver in the CR VRS and the difference will be neglible against an average driver in the petrol. If you are all about performance then get another make/model of car that is a true performance car. If you want a balance of cost, practicality and some performance then the petrol VRS (in standard form is good) and if you want all that and willing to sacrifice some out and out performance for economy then the CR is a good car. If you are love your petrol cars then the CR is probably not the car for you but if you like diesel then it may well be. I used to be petrol all the way but having had 2 diesel VRSs I am not sure I could go back to only 300 odd miles per tank and haing to fill up every other week (get well over 400 miles in the diesel so get another week out of a tank with the same driving style and route).

As above 170ps is more than enough for everyday driving, accelerating into gaps etc. Sure it would be great to have more but it is not really needed. Also how much more would you spend to get a similar specced 335d.

Ha ha, but thats why there are two, cos we are all different.

And yes the Octavia is only a 'warm hatch', but what an all rounder. its not the best in any single category, but its pretty darn good at everything, and take them to mapland and they can get pretty warm too.

Regards the 335d, thats the main reason I didnt get one, worked out I could have a CR AND a TSI for the same money!

just so I dont sit on the fence too much, my money is on the new TSI, its just so refined. petrol technology lagged behind for a few years, this just blew me away.

anyway surely we need a good old discussion on here, thats what its for isnt it?

The VRS is what it is. Practical, cheap to buy and run, yet still handles and goes well - it is the best you can get in it's market. imo while the CR is a bit slower it's probably the best balance with the way fuel prices are going. However no version is that fast either in a straight line or on a track.

If you *really* want a performance car then you are looking in the wrong place.

The CR may well be a bit slower but it is no slouch and IMO is great fun to drive with more than enough power delivery when required. If I was interested in all out power I wouldn't be buying a vRS of any description but would have to look elsewhere.

Folks,

Thinking of trading my VRS PD for a new VRS CR but cannot make my mind up if this is a good idea. My question to all VRS CR owners is would you buy another one? Thanks in advance and apologies if the question has been asked already!

Folks,

Thanks a million to all who replied. It has confirmed to me that I will buy a new CR VRS. I was suprised that within the many replies the biggest debate was diesel v. petrol rather than going over to other makes or reliability issues which is what I thought may dominate the discussion but which didn't really feature. The thread reflects my own thoughts on the positives of the VRS; build quality, performance, handling, economy, practicality and value for money. Problem now...hatchback or estate? Thoughts welcome!

Thnaks again to all who replied. Bif.

Edited 14 June, 201115 yr by Biffo

The estate is perfect for me with 2 kids and a golf obsession, I've never been short of space. I think they look better too.

But it really depends on what you need, do you ever have to move loads of stuff? Do you have, or plan to have kids/dogs/a hobby that needs lots of kit?

A month or so ago I took 3 mates to and from a golf weekend; we had 4 sets of clubs, 4 small suitcases, trolleys, umbrellas etc etc. The car didn't feel heavy even with probably 450kg of payload, it got us there and back in rapid, quiet, comfort.

Edited 14 June, 201115 yr by Lou_O

I went for the estate mainly due to the practicality - while it's no longer than the hatch it's much easier to load up all the things that a one year old brings with them due to the increased height of the load space towards the rear - we got an incredible amount of stuff in for our recent holiday including things like her trike which while not essential, were nice to have with us, and wouldn't have gone in the hatch. Also easy-peasy to get two bikes and her trailer in, which again wouldn't be very straigtforward in the hatch. I also much preferred the more 'subtle' look of the estate, though I realise this is very much personal preference. PS - I'm very happy with my standard map CR - I'm sure a remap would make it better but there's more important things to spend my money on at the moment. And before someone comes along to tell me I could have saved £x buying the petrol, the diesel was a no-brainer for me due to the rules of my company's car allowance scheme.

Yes, yes, thrice yes

I've got an estate as a courtesy car at the moment and the boot is just plain mental, its like a cave. The boot on the hatch is not small though, in fact the upright hoover is needed to clean it, its that big.

With all this talk about CR vs petrol, its only the dpf thing that has put me off about the car. Poorly documented and still unreliable. With a remap the CR becomes a fine car with more than enough power to make the thing feel swift. Well worth it if you think the standard car is a bit flat and needs too much working to hurry it along. Doesn't help in that the power delivery of the standard CR is quite un diesel like and quite linear, you don't feel that 'shove' that tricks you into thinking you're off like hell.

Why do people say the CR is un-diesel like?

I've been driving CR diesels since 2004 and the VW CR is similar to them in it's power delivery. It may be un-PD like but that's not the same as saying it's not like other diesels...

Why do people say the CR is un-diesel like?

I've been driving CR diesels since 2004 and the VW CR is similar to them in it's power delivery. It may be un-PD like but that's not the same as saying it's not like other diesels...

If Bugatti don't start doing a CR TDi Veyron id prob have to settle for another Octavia as second best to that!

Edited 15 June, 201115 yr by FUBAR

Folks,

Finally took delivery of my new "Paddy" spec Race Blue CR VRS (couldn't leave the blue!) last Friday. Compared to VRS PD first impressions so far are very favourable. Quieter, smoother, more goodies... hopefully more reliable. Came with Bridgestones...very happy so far...but need to get it run in. Appears to be slightly easier on diesel. Thanks to all who replied to the thread.

Edited 27 June, 201114 yr by Biffo

Nice one! Enjoy the CR way of life

Folks,

Finally took delivery of my new "Paddy" spec Race Blue CR VRS (couldn't leave the blue!) last Friday. Compared to VRS PD first impressions so far are very favourable. Quieter, smoother, more goodies... hopefully more reliable. Came with Bridgestones...very happy so far...but need to get it run in. Appears to be slightly easier on diesel. Thanks to all who replied to the thread.

Glad that you're suited with it

However, you got Bridgestones whilst I was lumbered with crappy Conti's, not fair :'(

Glad that you're suited with it

However, you got Bridgestones whilst I was lumbered with crappy Conti's, not fair

Crappy Contis? Unsure which version your using as the Contisport 3 on mine have been nothing short of brilliant! 35k on the rears and 20k on front and I dont hang about.

Folks,

Finally took delivery of my new "Paddy" spec Race Blue CR VRS (couldn't leave the blue!) last Friday. Compared to VRS PD first impressions so far are very favourable. Quieter, smoother, more goodies... hopefully more reliable. Came with Bridgestones...very happy so far...but need to get it run in. Appears to be slightly easier on diesel. Thanks to all who replied to the thread.

Sounds good!

One big point in the diesel vs petrol debate, for us Paddys, is that our arse-brained government only allows us to claim VAT back on diesel, not petrol, for company use. Hence very few petrol VRS's about over here.....

PS join us on www.vagdrivers.net & show off the new motor!

Yes, I would, in fact just bought a CR170 in the Yeti if that gives an idea of how much I rate the engine in both performance and economics. My next car will be a CR170 again.

Yes, I would, in fact just bought a CR170 in the Yeti if that gives an idea of how much I rate the engine in both performance and economics. My next car will be a CR170 again.

Was contemplating this very move myself at some point (with a remap - mmm....210bhp Yeti..) before the DPF did its thing. Still a possibility though....

Was contemplating this very move myself at some point (with a remap - mmm....210bhp Yeti..) before the DPF did its thing. Still a possibility though....

Well if my first impressions are anything to go by you should Chris. Imagine the performance & oomph in a 4x4 SUV, do not understand why you cannot get this engine (or leather seats) in a Scout 4x4 package. Mind boggling.

Bridgestones? I'd never have them on my car again. They made my car handle awful. It was like the tyres were always soft on the back and when overtaking i had to hold the steering tight to keep control... For ages i couldn't work out what was wrong.. They were just awful awful!

Edited 1 July, 201114 yr by Micky 32

Bridgestones? I'd never have them on my car again. They made my car handle awful. It was like the tyres were always soft on the back and when overtaking i had to hold the steering tight to keep control... For ages i couldn't work out what was wrong.. They were just awful awful!

When I drove your car it was nowt to do with tyres....you got new shocks yet Michael??? :p

And since when did you do any overtaking?