I imagined the following situation:

2nd gear already at, say 5000 rpm, and the steering wheel almost 180 degrees turned, so the Shift-UP paddle is at the left and the Shift-Down paddle on the right and you try to shift Up but accidentaly pressing the paddle on the right which however is the Shift-Down one. Normally this would cause a bad mis shift, so I wondered If the DSG has protection for such case, ie. validating the driver's intension and if danger is diagnosed, blocking such a shift.

Ermm not 100% sure but mine seems to only go up and down when its safe in the rev range to do so, so probably yes

Yes, the system has 'over-rev' protection.

I know of the protection of over-reving when you are touching redline, when it automatically shifts up. But this is more of a "cause and effect" thing. Nothing A.I. there if you know what I mean.

But a mis shift is a case where the system needs to "foresee" the dangerous increase in RPM that will occur if it carries out the shifting, so I was not sure it has the ability to do the same thing then.

Your change request has to pass through the control module for the DSG transmission. At this point it would not allow the change to occur, as it's potentially damaging to the engine and transmission.

You can't shift down so you over-rev the engine, tested a long time ago x).

You can't shift down so you over-rev the engine, tested a long time ago x).

Lol! I think I believe you...

Could have done with that in my pug...

I very nearly shifted from 5th to 2nd in a Pug 106 once. Would have been very messy if I had continued to let the clutch out

DSG won't let you shift if the revs would be either too high or too low.

Yeh that's exactly what I did at 70 mph my the old pug 306! Oops!

Phil

Right, topic revival!

(Well actually a little different from the original thread's question but kind of related so I thought I'd post here.)

I don't know If this has happened to others as well, but today I had this situation: Stopped at a crosssection, waiting to enter a country road at 90 degrees related to the road I was stopped at. Off I go, and since I am all alone I feel like giving it some beans. Thing is as the road I enter is at a 90 degree angle I steer the wheel accordingly so when 1st gear has reached 4500-5000 rpm I know I surely can't find the shift up paddle (unless I cross my hands) so I think use the stick... :wonder: I had been driving for the last minutes in Manual, but before the stop at the crossection I had switched to Auto...

...So... as you imagine pushing the stick forwards from the D-Auto position drops it in N, revs go up a little more (5000+) and as soon as I realise I pull it back to D. Now, I don't remember exactly which gear it engaged when turned to D, but It was either 2nd or 3rd (naturally). This has happened another 1-2 times when after a long Manual drive, I forgot I had switched to Auto and found myself in a similar position with the steering wheel at a funny angle.

Does anybody have some solid knowledge If this is causing/may have caused significant damage to the box or not? I have not noticed any strange noise/behaviour after that, car just went on. My guess is since DSG is entirely electronically controlled, it would prevent damage in such a case but I'd like to know If anybody knows any different.

Edited 24 January, 201214 yr by newbie69

Right, topic revival!

(Well actually a little different from the original thread's question but kind of related so I thought I'd post here.)

I don't know If this has happened to others as well, but today I had this situation: Stopped at a crosssection, waiting to enter a country road at 90 degrees related to the road I was stopped at. Off I go, and since I am all alone I feel like giving it some beans. Thing is as the road I enter is at a 90 degree angle I steer the wheel accordingly so when 1st gear has reached 4500-5000 rpm I know I surely can't find the shift up paddle (unless I cross my hands) so I think use the stick... :wonder: I had been driving for the last minutes in Manual, but before the stop at the crossection I had switched to Auto...

...So... as you imagine pushing the stick forwards from the D-Auto position drops it in N, revs go up a little more (5000+) and as soon as I realise I pull it back to D. Now, I don't remember exactly which gear it engaged when turned to D, but It was either 2nd or 3rd (naturally). This has happened another 1-2 times when after a long Manual drive, I forgot I had switched to Auto and found myself in a similar position with the steering wheel at a funny angle.

Does anybody have some solid knowledge If this is causing/may have caused significant damage to the box or not? I have not noticed any strange noise/behaviour after that, car just went on. My guess is since DSG is entirely electronically controlled, it would prevent damage in such a case but I'd like to know If anybody knows any different.

doubt you have caused any damage..

but here's a tip, if you cant find the paddle due to steering wheel position, simply leave it.. when it reaches the red line, it will change up to 2nd by itself anyway

simply leave it..

You have a point there...

Edited 24 January, 201214 yr by newbie69

Right, topic revival!

(Well actually a little different from the original thread's question but kind of related so I thought I'd post here.)

I don't know If this has happened to others as well, but today I had this situation: Stopped at a crosssection, waiting to enter a country road at 90 degrees related to the road I was stopped at. Off I go, and since I am all alone I feel like giving it some beans. Thing is as the road I enter is at a 90 degree angle I steer the wheel accordingly so when 1st gear has reached 4500-5000 rpm I know I surely can't find the shift up paddle (unless I cross my hands) so I think use the stick... :wonder: I had been driving for the last minutes in Manual, but before the stop at the crossection I had switched to Auto...

...So... as you imagine pushing the stick forwards from the D-Auto position drops it in N, revs go up a little more (5000+) and as soon as I realise I pull it back to D. Now, I don't remember exactly which gear it engaged when turned to D, but It was either 2nd or 3rd (naturally). This has happened another 1-2 times when after a long Manual drive, I forgot I had switched to Auto and found myself in a similar position with the steering wheel at a funny angle.

Does anybody have some solid knowledge If this is causing/may have caused significant damage to the box or not? I have not noticed any strange noise/behaviour after that, car just went on. My guess is since DSG is entirely electronically controlled, it would prevent damage in such a case but I'd like to know If anybody knows any different.

I’ve done a similar thing a couple of times and it was a very smooth transition from neutral back into drive. It felt very much like you pushed the clutch in on a manual car while it is moving and then let it out again smoothly to get a nice take up of the drive again.

I can only surmise that what happens is much the same on the DGS. Putting it into neutral while the car is travelling simply disengages the clutch and sensors monitor wheel speed and keep the car in the correct gear for the speed you are traveling at, once you put it back into drive the clutch reengages with the correct gear preselected.

Again can I point out that this is based on my own feel and experience of the situation and not any technical knowledge, so I recommend “You don’t try this at home Kids?â€

Well unfortunately i went one step further. I was in sports mode, and wanted to go to drive mode, so pushed it forward, but in not thinking straight i selected reverse. It did not dsound as if it engaged or any problems. I quickly realised my mistake and selected drive mode.

Right, that was my guess from the beginning. that the DSG Ecu will not allow a potentially "catastrophic" shift which is what you'd expect from an electronic control unit anyway.

I have double shifted by accident - was in 2nd accelerating and went for 3rd with a paddle just as the DSG did, jumped to 4th but with a delay lol

It won't change down if it's unsafe nor will it change up if it labours the engine. I have found though if you are accelerating in auto and you pull a paddle to over ride it seems as if it only switched it to manual. You have to pull the paddle again to change. Downshifting in auto is fine though and will drop coge whenever providing it's safe.

Well unfortunately i went one step further. I was in sports mode, and wanted to go to drive mode, so pushed it forward, but in not thinking straight i selected reverse. It did not dsound as if it engaged or any problems. I quickly realised my mistake and selected drive mode.

That's the ultimate test! If it caused no problem that time then it's bullet-proof to whatever you may throw at it.

It won't change down if it's unsafe nor will it change up if it labours the engine. I have found though if you are accelerating in auto and you pull a paddle to over ride it seems as if it only switched it to manual. You have to pull the paddle again to change. Downshifting in auto is fine though and will drop coge whenever providing it's safe.

I can't remember of it not shifting up at any ocassion by manually overriding Auto, but I will check...

That's the ultimate test! If it caused no problem that time then it's bullet-proof to whatever you may throw at it.

I can't remember of it not shifting up at any ocassion by manually overriding Auto, but I will check...

To be honest it has only done it the once but I don't remember if the revs were high enough for the gear to be right. The box has been brilliant so far

To be honest it has only done it the once but I don't remember if the revs were high enough for the gear to be right. The box has been brilliant so far

Talking about right revs, I can confirm that sometimes when I want to shift up very early and I am in Manual, the box won't shift up until I reach 1800-2000 rpm. Strangely enough when it is in Auto it does shift up at even lower RPM so I see it as a revenge to me: "Oh, you want to drive economically then? Then put me in Auto and I'll take care of it otherwise you won't shift up any gear until it reaches 2000K!!!"

Talking about right revs, I can confirm that sometimes when I want to shift up very early and I am in Manual, the box won't shift up until I reach 1800-2000 rpm. Strangely enough when it is in Auto it does shift up at even lower RPM so I see it as a revenge to me: "Oh, you want to drive economically then? Then put me in Auto and I'll take care of it otherwise you won't shift up any gear until it reaches 2000K!!!"

Yeah Especially 1st to 2nd using manual. In auto it changes to 2nd at almost idle but won't let you do that in manual

Yeah Especially 1st to 2nd using manual. In auto it changes to 2nd at almost idle but won't let you do that in manual

Exactly.