http://www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/darkside-gtb-turbo-kit-for-1-9-8v-tdi-vw-polo-seat-ibiza-and-skoda-fabia.html

Is this good value?

Combine this kit with clutch and intercooler and map and hello 240bhp?

Should do more than 240bhp tbh... If Jabba can produce 275-285bhp Fabia's with standard injectors then why shouldn't this?

I wouldnt want to go mental tbh, just something that the setup is ok running and not pushing the turbo hard or the engine itself too hard cause don't wanna go down the line of head work etc. Standard internals safe at 240?

Edited 25 August, 201114 yr by wilsy7

Should do more than 240bhp tbh... If Jabba can produce 275-285bhp Fabia's with standard injectors then why shouldn't this?

Using the rollers Ryan and Scott use to map the cars, it won't make that on standard injetors at all, lol! I thought you understood SOI and safe injection Durations Luke? It might make Mickey Mouse figures on other dynos, but what's the point? Again, a car with the same mods as you (Tom of Seat Cupra) plus head porting only made 200bhp on the same rolling road! If you look on SeatCurpa.net, he's ran 250/410 before on a differnent Dyno!

I have this kit fitted to my car, it's brilliant, literally all the power is at the top end! So much of it too! With injectors it'll be easily 265bhp. Put it this way, it's a lot faster than my hybrid!

Oh, and there's no smoke! Throughly reccomened.

You may be able to get away with sandard clutch too, the torque curve isn't peaky, peak torque is around 3.5-4k, as opposed to be being 2-2.5k.

Oh, by the logic that Toms made 50bhp less on these rollers, my car may read 280bhp on other rollers, but I know for a fact that's not possible, and so do Darkside, and the mass majority of TDIclub.

Using the rollers Ryan and Scott use to map the cars, it won't make that on standard injetors at all, lol! I thought you understood SOI and safe injection Durations Luke? It might make Mickey Mouse figures on other dynos, but what's the point? Again, a car with the same mods as you (Tom of Seat Cupra) plus head porting only made 200bhp on the same rolling road! If you look on SeatCurpa.net, he's ran 250/410 before on a differnent Dyno!

I have this kit fitted to my car, it's brilliant, literally all the power is at the top end! So much of it too! With injectors it'll be easily 265bhp. Put it this way, it's a lot faster than my hybrid!

Oh, and there's no smoke! Throughly reccomened.

You may be able to get away with sandard clutch too, the torque curve isn't peaky, peak torque is around 3.5-4k, as opposed to be being 2-2.5k.

I've already read the other thread and I wrote this before the response on that one. Using the biggest tuners in the countries dynos Jabba's stage 3 cars will show over 250bhp+. On the same day mine ran 240bhp on AmD a standard vRS ran 130bhp. Just because the dyno you use gives much lower figures than the majority of other rollers in the country doesn't mean everyone should quote those figures IMO.

I'm going down the 2265 route with internals and what not so don't think I'm putting it down in anyway either, I'm just saying most people on here quote figures from the likes of Jabba/AmD. I'm sure if your car was run on that it would make 250bhp+ or whatever.

Just because it made 200bhp on that RR doesn't mean it's accurate though? If that's the case then I'm sure standard cars would produce far less than they are claimed to which doesn't make sense, surely? It's been said for years that the MD376 will produce 220bhp without all the head work, Methanol, etc... So if he's making 200bhp then it must mean that pretty much every other dyno in the country over-reads, as I've never seen anyone saying they're taking the MD376 to its limit and only seeing 200bhp lol

It's all swings and roundabouts, I'm just saying on the rollers that most people tend to use, the kit should make more than 240bhp

A better way to put it is probably that this should make the same power as Jabba's stage 3 cars. If they can produce 283bhp on AmD's rollers then this should be able to as well, right?

Maybe darkside just don't know how to map the cars? Not starting an argument lol maybe they don't push their kits hard to compromise reliability and don't want to make a bad name for them, as everyone knows if one person has a problem then everyone knows about it lol

Surely 200bhp with this setup can't be true? Alot of people can get closeish to that with just a Map!

I can hang onto a 200bhp type r with no issues?

And is this the same manifold devonutopia is running? Would ya need the turbo bracket thing he made up to damp vibrations and stop it cracking at some point?

Edited 25 August, 201114 yr by wilsy7

Frigger's car: http://www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/skoda-fabia-vrs-1-9-8v-asz/

There's a discussion about this and their 2265 project on TDIClub.

This post might be interesting, best to read the comments and discussions after it too though.

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=3511221&postcount=288

Personally, I think a 1756 or 2056 turbo would suit the majority better than the 2260. What's interesting about these kits is they're a vendor solution to fitting GTB series turbos. Others have fabricated their own manifolds or have welded flanges onto bandsawed exhaust manifolds to fit them. I think Ryan might be missing a trick in not supplying/advertising a similar solution. There has to be £500+ in the exhaust manifold.

J.

Using the rollers Ryan and Scott use to map the cars, it won't make that on standard injetors at all, lol! I thought you understood SOI and safe injection Durations Luke? It might make Mickey Mouse figures on other dynos, but what's the point?

If the figures are "mickey mouse" because of the dyno, with standard injectors, how do you account for a Santa Pod quarter mile time of 13.6 seconds for my car?

Makes me wonder what it'd be like with bigger ones... Lol

If the figures are "mickey mouse" because of the dyno, with standard injectors, how do you account for a Santa Pod quarter mile time of 13.6 seconds for my car?

Makes me wonder what it'd be like with bigger ones... Lol

Quicker!! Lol

And does the kit price vary dePending on which turbo got? I'd prob go for the 260-270 one and run 230-240?

Frigger's car: http://www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/skoda-fabia-vrs-1-9-8v-asz/

There's a discussion about this and their 2265 project on TDIClub.

This post might be interesting, best to read the comments and discussions after it too though.

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=3511221&postcount=288

Personally, I think a 1756 or 2056 turbo would suit the majority better than the 2260. What's interesting about these kits is they're a vendor solution to fitting GTB series turbos. Others have fabricated their own manifolds or have welded flanges onto bandsawed exhaust manifolds to fit them. I think Ryan might be missing a trick in not supplying/advertising a similar solution. There has to be £500+ in the exhaust manifold.

J.

Is that dyno curve good? Seems like all the power comes and goes very fast opposed to being spread out?

If the figures are "mickey mouse" because of the dyno, with standard injectors, how do you account for a Santa Pod quarter mile time of 13.6 seconds for my car?

Makes me wonder what it'd be like with bigger ones... Lol

T.SPark has a PD130 Ibizia that ran a 13.5, on a hybrid turbo.......It's stripped, but it doesn't have an LSD or R888's that'll greatly help off the line......

Is that dyno curve good? Seems like all the power comes and goes very fast opposed to being spread out?

Could you post up your dyno from your car?

You'll have to learn how to read a dyno graph: All the power's at the top end. Simply put, a hybrid will not be able to hold torque like that up the top end, look closley at the graph, it's still there up to the rev limiter. On a hybrid, it's tailed off a long time ago.

If any hybrid owners or anyone would like to come on track @ Silverstone next week, we (Born in a barn) have rented the track for half an hour. Pay £30 and you can come on with us, and test your car against mine :-)

Could you post up your dyno from your car?

You'll have to learn how to read a dyno graph: All the power's at the top end. Simply put, a hybrid will not be able to hold torque like that up the top end, look closley at the graph, it's still there up to the rev limiter. On a hybrid, it's tailed off a long time ago.

If any hybrid owners or anyone would like to come on track @ Silverstone next week, we (Born in a barn) have rented the track for half an hour. Pay £30 and you can come on with us, and test your car against mine :-)

I can read a dyno graph as I was able to distinguish the differences between yours and a normal one. I wasn't slating just asking a question.

Why is a hybrid not capable of sustaining the torque? Could it be mapped in a way to produce a more conventional style dyne graph or is the set up just not simply for that kind of thing? Wouldn't like the idea of revving the nuts out of it to get it to go lol

If any hybrid owners or anyone would like to come on track @ Silverstone next week, we (Born in a barn) have rented the track for half an hour. Pay £30 and you can come on with us, and test your car against mine :-)

Tempting, but the car is at Jabba's for a few tweaks. Oh, and I've never been to Silverstone.

In order to compare the actual cars I think I'll try and catch you at the Pod when. You decide to go.

I'm not pop-pooing what you are doing. It's interesting, but I'd like to see the neck and neck comparison. I see rolling roads slagged often and excuses made for performance. At the end of the day we all have a common interest, there is too much talk and picking holes in peoples cars on here and other forums.

If this turns out good against mine it might be modding time again... lol.

The only thing I don't like about mine currently is a bit of smoke at the top end of the rev range. Something I hope to look into.

If any hybrid owners or anyone would like to come on track @ Silverstone next week, we (Born in a barn) have rented the track for half an hour. Pay £30 and you can come on with us, and test your car against mine :-)

What day?

Sunday the 4th of September :-)

Intresting read Bobbys car

I can read a dyno graph as I was able to distinguish the differences between yours and a normal one. I wasn't slating just asking a question.

Why is a hybrid not capable of sustaining the torque? Could it be mapped in a way to produce a more conventional style dyne graph or is the set up just not simply for that kind of thing? Wouldn't like the idea of revving the nuts out of it to get it to go lol

Hybrids simply run out of "puff". Don't get me wrong, they're great for building boost low down, however, the limiting factor is the exhaust side, there's simply too much air present, and EMP's/EGT's will be very high!

Hybrid VNT 17's have a standard back end, but hte compressor is differnet.

If you're even on track, or Santa Pod, you'll never see below 2.5k RPM anyway. I'm tying to prep my car for N ring next year.....

Some more food for thought:

MK4's running GTB's against MD376 hybrids (Stage 2's)

clicky

Oh, by the logic that Toms made 50bhp less on these rollers, my car may read 280bhp on other rollers, but I know for a fact that's not possible, and so do Darkside, and the mass majority of TDIclub.

so jabba's figures re my car are false??? and its on standard injectors.

That looks like a superb turbo kit package. Would really give this some thought myself. I can certainly understand the need for uprated injectors.

I think its a simple case of all tuning companys will have "there way" of tuning based on personal experince and in my view TRIAL and ERROR! Lets be fair we learn at our most when we fail.

In my humble view I can understand why certain tuning companys may advise for uprated injectors, maybe im wrong but perhaps because the setup from darkside is best for higher rpm warrants the reason alone for higher output injectors? Please correct me if im wrong. As well as that im sure that regardless of were peak torque and bhp will come into force, will still have the same effect on a clutch or flywheel.

Regardless it looks like a fantastic package, and the manifold alone looks very well made indeed

Can we please arrange a RR day (for as many hybrid fabias as possible) to finally settle this argument????

Can we please arrange a RR day (for as many hybrid fabias as possible) to finally settle this argument????

+1

If any hybrid owners or anyone would like to come on track @ Silverstone next week, we (Born in a barn) have rented the track for half an hour. Pay £30 and you can come on with us, and test your car against mine :-)

I'm there on the 28th Sept. driving, or do you mean the w/e after this?