Hi all,

Have got the possibility of maybe picking up an 06' 2.0 DSG diesel Laurin and Klement. I know automatics don't usually do so well in the economy stakes so I thought I'd ask the question here: What sort of MPH are y'all getting?

Plus is an '06 DSG 6 or 7 speed?

Cheers

Edited 25 September, 201114 yr by RainbowFore

48.1mpg over 23000 miles since new, mainly motorway. 6 speed DSG on a CR170hp VRS

Edited 25 September, 201114 yr by PowerMalc

Use to get 48 mpg on my 2 litre PD with 6 speed DSG in my Altea.

Use to get quite a lot more than that with my 1.9D in my early Octy2 more like mid fifties.

Now get 40-ish with my 7 speed DSG 1.8 TSI but then it cost thousands less to buy with the petrol "No VAT" offer at the time and it is much quicker than the two cars above.

6 Speed DSG against 6 speed manual takes about 4% off the mpg according to Skoda. 7 speed DSG in diesel does not do worse or better fuel consumption with those lower power/torque diesels. Only in the petrols and specifically the 1.8 TSI does the match actually improved fuel consumption over manual.

There is a 7 speed DSG (DQ500)in the VAG range which can take the greater torque of the diesel but Skoda have not got it yet.

Techniques such as freewheeling down long hills help the DSG fuel consumption and I think this can be done safely as you are still quickly in controls, others may disagree.

The main thing the bugged me with the 6 Speed DSG was the £140 wack at each 40K service, not an issue with the 7 speed thankfully with it's conventional dry clutches.

Loved it with the 1.9D as the manual only had 5 speeds and the 6 speed DSG was very economical and relaxed.

These boxes really need 8 gears to get the best acceleration and fuel economy IMO.

Edited 25 September, 201114 yr by lol

Any idea when or if the DSG 7 will make it to the more powerful vRS engines?

Because I'd more than interested in having a vRS with a DSG 7 box rather than the DSG 6.

Hi all,

Have got the possibility of maybe picking up an 06' 2.0 DSG diesel Laurin and Klement. I know automatics don't usually do so well in the economy stakes so I thought I'd ask the question here: What sort of MPH are y'all getting?

Plus is an '06 DSG 6 or 7 speed?

Cheers

I had a 2006 PD 2.0tdi DSG L&K Estate before my Yeti. It had the 6 speed DSG box, as all Skoda's with the diesel engines have to date. High 30's to low 40's around town (London's gridlock) mid to high 50's on long trips. all according to maxidot, which was about 10% out. 60mpg at 60mph on motorway (boring).

Great car. Just watch out for the air con compressor/condensor and the DMF (dual mass flywheel) both around £1200 to replace, otherwise brill car. I did 40,000 in 20 months. I love the L&K spec. The Yeti Elegance I now have is roughly the same spec.

Had an interesting discussion recently about fuel economy for manual vs DSG cars in terms of real world figures.

Yes - the published figures for any car will normally show the automatic (DSG) to be typically 1 or 2 mpg lower than the same car/engine combination with a manual box - but I believe this is based on "ideal" conditions and assumes the manual will be in the most fuel efficient gear for the speed/conditions at all times.

Given that in reality this is not the case (and when I test drove a DSG recently it changed up through the gears sooner than I would have done in a manual) it would be interesting to see a real world comparison.

Has anyone driven both manual and DSG versions of he same car/engine and got any comparison data?

Any idea when or if the DSG 7 will make it to the more powerful vRS engines?

Because I'd more than interested in having a vRS with a DSG 7 box rather than the DSG 6.

It won't - they can't cope with the torque.

It won't - they can't cope with the torque.

I guess it is also true that with higher torque you don't need the closer ratios of the 7 speed box to keep the engine in its optimum rev band.

It won't - they can't cope with the torque.

At some time ie when the other VAG brands will have no back order for the 7 Speed (wet) DSG ie DQ500 then the Skoda brands will get it.

The DQ200 ie 7 speed Dry clutch box was primarily designed for the Polo chasis and all its derivatives so it had to be small enough to fit in there though it is fitted to the other Skoda chasis with room to spare.

This makes it siutable for the high revving 1.2, 1.4 and 1.8 TSI, my TSI revs to 7000 rpm with the 250 Nm of toque occuring at 1500 and going on to 4500 when it starts backing it off whilst maintianing the power at 160hp, (Evo etc measure it at 165-170 which what it feels like compared to the VRSs).

The Dry clutch box is lighter and more effecient that the wet boxes and much cheaper to service ie oil sealed for like ie 400,000 Km. In the same time you might have paid £1k in servicing for the wet multi-plate 6 speed DSG and 7 speed DQ500 boxes.

8 speeds is being adopted by BMW, Jaguar etc despite having wide torque band engines so that 1st etc is really low for acceleration ie sub 8 second o-60 despite being diesels and 8th is really high for good fuel economy plus the kick down is good ie 8th goes to 5th (has to be even to odd, odd to even ratio for kick down), 7th goes to 4th etc.

Edited 26 September, 201114 yr by lol

If you click on the mileage icon in my sig, that will show you what i get.

Most of the time i have lead lined boots

The DQ200 ie 7 speed Dry clutch box was primarily designed for the Polo chasis and all its derivatives so it had to be small enough to fit in there though it is fitted to the other Skoda chasis with room to spare.

The Dry clutch box is lighter and more effecient that the wet boxes and much cheaper to service ie oil sealed for like ie 400,000 Km. In the same time you might have paid £1k in servicing for the wet multi-plate 6 speed DSG and 7 speed DQ500 boxes.

A whole 20kg lighter is the 7 speed - been over this before, its neither her nor there. The 6 speed is more reliable and better geared towards the diesel.

400,000km is 250,000 miles. This would cost you £720 in oil changes @40k intervals @ £120 a time.

Not many people are going to be doing anywhere near that mileage.

A whole 20kg lighter is the 7 speed - been over this before, its neither her nor there. The 6 speed is more reliable and better geared towards the diesel.

400,000km is 250,000 miles. This would cost you £720 in oil changes @40k intervals @ £120 a time.

Not many people are going to be doing anywhere near that mileage.

It is not just the weight but the wet multi-plate clutch has more internal friction losses due to the plates rotating in the oil. It is necessary for the higher torque engines as the dry plates would just fry but the penalty is the friction losses which is why the more ratio are needed, and this works in other boxes ZF etc, to regain this lost ground in acceleration ans economy ie 0-60 in less than 8 seconds and over 52 mpg ie in XF and 320.

VAG will come out with a dry clutch gearbox for 300, 350 Nm as the technology develops. As there is likely to be even less power rewuired from the internal combustion engine in the future as as muc or most the power will come from eletric motors and batteries the 250 Nm DSG will be plenty. Twin or single cylinder engine is all that is really required, 50 hp would be fine and the car would still do 0-60 in 6 seconds and 100 mpg.

Edited 26 September, 201114 yr by lol

DSG 6, PD140 Leon. 40mpg in heavy traffic or being silly, 50+ taking it easy, 45-46 average.

Last holiday run to Fort Augustus from near Bham, 46mpg up taking it a bit easier, 42mpg down 'making progress'.