Everyone seems to forget that while it wasn't quite as exciting as a whole new handset, the iphone 4 is still a lovely thing and upgraded internals can only be a good thing.

I am in the same situation as someone else has mentioned, i am too far in to get out. I would loose too many purchased apps etc to move away.

Ahh vendor lock in.

I guess somebody will have to do £50 of apps free with this handset soon to get the apple boys off their pie phones.

The Most amazing iPhone yet is the tag line.....

8MP Camera - my 3 year old Nokia N86 had this - Samsung Galaxy SII does aswell

Voice recognition.....this has been out how many years on other phones?

iCloud - Android you have millions of apps for this and now Google +

Dual core processor - Galaxy SII

iMessage - Android has had Google chat for years and so have Blackberry.

Notification area - Android 1.0 anyone?!

....iOS - 'The Worlds Most Advanced Mobile Operating System' - REALLY?

http://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/ios/

and Apple have got the cheek to sue Samsung for breach of copyright!

I am a big Apple fan but sorry the iPhone doesn't do it for me. It is all hype over function. I will stick with my Galaxy S i'm afraid. At least Android were the first to do most of the things the iPhone claims it is wonderful at.

Sent from my iPad 2 using Tapatalk

This seems like a good thread to ask this question; why do we need to know by what method you typed a reply?!

I don't get it. As for new iPhones, fair enough - there's clearly enough demand for them, to warrant new and shinier versions

Edit: Reply to above, its just a signature put on by default when you use tapatalk.

The Most amazing iPhone yet is the tag line.....

8MP Camera - my 3 year old Nokia N86 had this - Samsung Galaxy SII does aswell

Voice recognition.....this has been out how many years on other phones?

iCloud - Android you have millions of apps for this and now Google +

Dual core processor - Galaxy SII

iMessage - Android has had Google chat for years and so have Blackberry.

Notification area - Android 1.0 anyone?!

....iOS - 'The Worlds Most Advanced Mobile Operating System' - REALLY?

http://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/ios/

and Apple have got the cheek to sue Samsung for breach of copyright!

I am a big Apple fan but sorry the iPhone doesn't do it for me. It is all hype over function. I will stick with my Galaxy S i'm afraid. At least Android were the first to do most of the things the iPhone claims it is wonderful at.

Like (except for the apple fan bit)

Like (except for the apple fan bit)

~Only an apple fan because i am qualified in them and have to support them!

This seems like a good thread to ask this question; why do we need to know by what method you typed a reply?!

I don't get it. As for new iPhones, fair enough - there's clearly enough demand for them, to warrant new and shinier versions

I'm "reliably informed" (read, I've been told by ******* who use it) that this sort of disclaimer is "an implied apology for an overly brief message, which may have typographical and grammatical errors". So whenever I see it, I basically see it as "Sender/poster is too lazy to proofread properly so this message may be a metric arseload of crap".

See it a lot on people's email here while they're "on the move" as they are so important that whoever sends them an email can't wait half an hour for a reply while they get to one of their several proper computers with a real email client. Gets right on my tits, tbh

I'm "reliably informed" (read, I've been told by ******* who use it) that this sort of disclaimer is "an implied apology for an overly brief message, which may have typographical and grammatical errors". So whenever I see it, I basically see it as "Sender/poster is too lazy to proofread properly so this message may be a metric arseload of crap".

See it a lot on people's email here while they're "on the move" as they are so important that whoever sends them an email can't wait half an hour for a reply while they get to one of their several proper computers with a real email client. Gets right on my tits, tbh

Way of the world. I can go a whole day without being able to access my laptop to send an email. 'Sent from Blackberry' is on quite a few emails i send as they require a response straight away as i am an IT engineer.

So the same applied for forums, you check you mail on your phone and get an update to a thread or just bored at lunchtime and want to catch up and the phone is the only medium of access....

**Sent from my PC using a good old fashioned keyboard**

Edited 5 October, 201114 yr by jrw

Well OK, yeah. I get the point. But when I send emails from my phone I have no signature saying that I'm using my phone, and I put as much effort into the email as I would if I was at a PC, within reason. They're always in full English, with punctuation, and no txt spk. Whereas the people who use the disclaimers invariably snd bk a ld of rubish wiv spellin mistaeks n slang. Which is deemed to be OK because you've got a disclaimer saying it's sent from your phone.

Just because you're on a phone doesn't mean you have to turn into some kind of illiterate, they still have all the bloody letters on them!

Well OK, yeah. I get the point. But when I send emails from my phone I have no signature saying that I'm using my phone, and I put as much effort into the email as I would if I was at a PC, within reason. They're always in full English, with punctuation, and no txt spk. Whereas the people who use the disclaimers invariably snd bk a ld of rubish wiv spellin mistaeks n slang. Which is deemed to be OK because you've got a disclaimer saying it's sent from your phone.

Just because you're on a phone doesn't mean you have to turn into some kind of illiterate, they still have all the bloody letters on them!

I think it's kind of a warning that it might be a bit brief.

Although saying sent from <mydevicename> rather than just sent from my mobile seems like a ploy to tell everyone you have the latest toy and give the manufacturer some free advertising.

that tapatalk quote is from my post and its an automatic signature which is built into the app that I haven't bothered to turn off yet. Personally not impressed by the iphone 4s, which is why I have a samsung galaxy s2 coming in the post

I think it's kind of a warning that it might be a bit brief.

Although saying sent from <mydevicename> rather than just sent from my mobile seems like a ploy to tell everyone you have the latest toy and give the manufacturer some free advertising.

Did no one read my post?

There's was a tweet a couple of months ago, forget who from but they wondered if in olden times people used to end letters:

Sent from my beautiful mahogany writing table

It's a waste of typing saying this device had it first, blah, blah, blah.

What if we did that when new cars came out?

Heated seats, parking sensors? just copying the S Class Merc.

They've made the device better, admittedly it's not a huge step forward but the 4S is better than the iPhone 4, which I believe is the whole point?

Edited 5 October, 201114 yr by DaveI

It's a waste of typing saying this device had it first, blah, blah, blah.

What if we did that when new cars came out?

Heated seats, parking sensors? just copying the S Class Merc.

They've made the device better, admittedly it's not a huge step forward but the 4S is better than the iPhone 4, which I believe is the whole point?

Except they are making out its the best thing ever and worded like its something new and wonderful. Skoda don't make a song and dance over parking sensors or xenons.

Except they are making out its the best thing ever and worded like its something new and wonderful. Skoda don't make a song and dance over parking sensors or xenons.

They probably do if you go to the press days.

This iPhone release could have been a simple A4 sheet of paper posted out rather than the big event it was.

Quite amusing the two sets of "fanboys". Personally I am just a technology fan, had an iPhone loved it, had an Android phone loved it. The 4S, while it catches upto the competition, didn't move the game on in anyway at all and is a bit disappointing to me. Decent phone but I am not that fussed about getting one, will be waiting to see what Samsung/HTC come out with this year.

iOS and Android are both good, iOS wins hands down on apps and app quality, Android beats it on customisation and being able to pirate things easier.

For every blind sheep that flocks to Apple to fulfil their fashion obligations, there's an Apple nay-sayer that has no real experience with the products.

I'm a huge Apple fan but an Android user of nearly 3 years. (iMac, Macbook, iPad 2, Apple TV, numerous ipods and a Samsung Galaxy S2)

iOS products are slicker, more intuitive and more reliable than the rest of the field - ESPECIALLY for the more casual end-user. Add in the App Store, and they're simply the best you can get.

HOWEVER, are they worth the massive extra premium you pay for the handset and for your tariff? Not now that Samsung and HTC have caught up (and exceeded Apple) in terms of hardware. Android's clever, but not quite slick enough yet. It's getting there. As is the App Store.

Android's much better value, and more geek-friendly - but it's not their yet, when compared with actual user-experience.

This iPhone update is a little underwhelming, but then - if it ain't broke, don't fix it? It wasn't Apple that stoked the fire - Joe Public did that all by himself.

For every blind sheep that flocks to Apple to fulfil their fashion obligations, there's an Apple nay-sayer that has no real experience with the products.

I'm a huge Apple fan but an Android user of nearly 3 years. (iMac, Macbook, iPad 2, Apple TV, numerous ipods and a Samsung Galaxy S2)

iOS products are slicker, more intuitive and more reliable than the rest of the field - ESPECIALLY for the more casual end-user. Add in the App Store, and they're simply the best you can get.

HOWEVER, are they worth the massive extra premium you pay for the handset and for your tariff? Not now that Samsung and HTC have caught up (and exceeded Apple) in terms of hardware. Android's clever, but not quite slick enough yet. It's getting there. As is the App Store.

Android's much better value, and more geek-friendly - but it's not their yet, when compared with actual user-experience.

This iPhone update is a little underwhelming, but then - if it ain't broke, don't fix it? It wasn't Apple that stoked the fire - Joe Public did that all by himself.

I agree with every single letter you have typed.

Edit: Reply to above, its just a signature put on by default when you use tapatalk.Like (except for the apple fan bit)

You can turn it off.

They probably do if you go to the press days.This iPhone release could have been a simple A4 sheet of paper posted out rather than the big event it was.

With all the iPhone 5 hype, if they hadnt people would be claiming Apple was in trouble. He could have come out with a streaming turd, and the apple store would still crash with people wanting one because it has the Apple logo on it.

For every blind sheep that flocks to Apple to fulfil their fashion obligations, there's an Apple nay-sayer that has no real experience with the products.

I'm a huge Apple fan but an Android user of nearly 3 years. (iMac, Macbook, iPad 2, Apple TV, numerous ipods and a Samsung Galaxy S2)

iOS products are slicker, more intuitive and more reliable than the rest of the field - ESPECIALLY for the more casual end-user. Add in the App Store, and they're simply the best you can get.

HOWEVER, are they worth the massive extra premium you pay for the handset and for your tariff? Not now that Samsung and HTC have caught up (and exceeded Apple) in terms of hardware. Android's clever, but not quite slick enough yet. It's getting there. As is the App Store.

Android's much better value, and more geek-friendly - but it's not their yet, when compared with actual user-experience.

This iPhone update is a little underwhelming, but then - if it ain't broke, don't fix it? It wasn't Apple that stoked the fire - Joe Public did that all by himself.

This is true but to most joe public, the iPhone is as 'difficult' to comprehend as an Android phone. More so really as you did need to have a PC to activate the phone and also you have to put your credit card details in to set up an iTunes account.

I have installed iPhones for people at work and they genuinely do not have a clue.

Either way it is totally hyped and 'from £499' for the 4S, they try and make it sound cheap.

I have an iMac, Macbook and i did have an iPad. I am lucky that i have not had to pay for them. If i did i simply would not have them as i can get equivalent Windows devices for much much cheaper.

£499!!!! Much higher than the US prices!

RIP Steve.

Indeed. Didn't particularly like his company or his products, but no one deserves to go at just 56.

Android is indeed a good OS. But the problem with Android is that it's very rare to actually get a pure Android experience. Buy an iPhone, you've got the same iOS as the guy next to you, on the same hardware. It's a consistent user experience.

I don't get this point :-) it just confirms the sheepiness, are you going to borrow the dude's phone?

As an iMac abuser, iPad semi user, ex mac book pro owner and owner of 3 previous iterations of the iPhone, iOS may be a consistent user experience, but is really showing it's age, imho it's pretty ugly and no support for useful stuff like widgets. You only really get to unlock it's true potential by jailbreaking it, and when you do there is still only iOS. Root an Android phone, like my SGSII for example and you have the choice of any number of tweaked ROM's and applications to allow you to recover and prevent bricking it.

As a flipside to this, I just sold my iPad to my wife's Stepfather, and he is 70, and straight away got into using it without any hitches or glitches.

But what do I know, I bought a HP Touchpad (for $99 ....... bargain)

But what do I know, I bought a HP Touchpad (for $99 ....... bargain)

Can you get any more?