I'm going to buy an elegance estate, and cant decide between the 140CR or 170CR. I have driven a 170 DSG but not a manual or a 140 atall as i cant find one close to me. is the 170 worth the extra £950?

Cheers

Josh

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Edited 7 October, 201114 yr by silver1011

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Edited 7 October, 201114 yr by silver1011

I'm going to buy an elegance estate, and cant decide between the 140CR or 170CR. I have driven a 170 DSG but not a manual or a 140 atall as i cant find one close to me. is the 170 worth the extra £950?

Cheers

Josh

Not sure if the non VAT deals are on the petrols and the diesels, are they? Try the 160hp 1.8 TSI and 2 litre TSI, both quicker than the diesels and the 1.8 TSI can average around 40 mpg and may be thousands cheaper to buy. Drive it, pulls from 1500 rpm and screaming to 7 rpm is great and matched to the 7 speed DSG is a great pairing, try it, if you have red blood you cannot fail to be impressed and it is very tunable to ie 215-220 hp for 1.8 and 260-265 hp for 2 litre.

Edited 7 October, 201114 yr by lol

I'm looking at a superb. My mistake, should have made it clearer. There is a fully loaded 11 reg V6 estate at my local dealer for £2500. Only done 200 miles, and with no interest, its a bargin. On the downside, over 3 years, it would cost nearly £10k more in fuel than the diesels

still, nice power

I'm looking at a superb. My mistake, should have made it clearer.

Completely my fault, I thought I was on the Octavia forum! :no:

I'm looking at a superb. My mistake, should have made it clearer. There is a fully loaded 11 reg V6 estate at my local dealer for £2500. Only done 200 miles, and with no interest, its a bargin. On the downside, over 3 years, it would cost nearly £10k more in fuel than the diesels

still, nice power

£2500!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow think I will buy for spares.

Hope you mean £25,000 otherwise depreciation is going to kill me

sorry, gotta learn to proof-read my posts first.£25000. still good value IMO

I was in the same situation as you 16 months ago, I intended to buy a 140CR Elegance (manual) but after a test drive in a 140CR Yeti (no 140CR Superb's were local) followed up by a test drive in a 170CR Superb my mind was made up - I bought a 170.

The 140CR was not bad but not an upgrade from my current (at the time) PD130.

I have the 170CR with DSG and it's a cracking engine, pulls like a train but also very easy to drive in a lazy manner letting the DSG shift up at just 1500rpm. However, I would say it depends on your typical driving. I spend most of the time on the motorway so the 170 is perhaps a bit of a waste of time and maybe I'd be happy with the 140. If you drive a lot for pleasure, especially on A roads, then I would say the 170. If you spend most of your time commuting on motorways then I'd say the 140 would be sufficient.

I had been thinking that maybe I should have gone for the 140 and a few extras... but then do I really want to give up the 170... I just don't know...! :think:

I'm looking at a superb. My mistake, should have made it clearer. There is a fully loaded 11 reg V6 estate at my local dealer for £2500. Only done 200 miles, and with no interest, its a bargin. On the downside, over 3 years, it would cost nearly £10k more in fuel than the diesels

still, nice power

You'd have to be doing 30k+ each year to cost £10k over 3 years.

In my personal opinion, the 170 is a much better engine to have in real world driving. If you want the 4x4 though the 140 comes with dsg and with £500 remap would be near 170.

Cheers

Steve

I want the quietest Superb diesel engine.

I'll do a LOT of miles and most of them urban so diesel it ought to be, given the m.p.g. difference involved.

But only so long as the engine is pretty close to the quietness of the petrols. Noise is a big issue for me. On the other hand I hear that the Superb is a quite luxurious car and has sound well damped anyway.

I have hearing loss, potentially screaming tinnitus and I have to have hearing aids in use to hear my passengers in the back, which then also amplify the sounds of the car as well. The whole reason for getting a car like a Superb is to get away from the unrefined and noisy nature of van-derived taxi's that I have started out with and found to be unsuitable for my problems.

Unless there is a big difference between petrol and the quietest diesel, the question in the end will probably be, which diesel ?

I've Googled around various combinations of words and phrases and found this question difficult to pin down. One review did mention that the car tested which had a 170 CR was by far the best and quietest diesel. Now, that could mean two things - it could mean that the newer CR series of diesels are by far the best and the most quiet, or it could mean that the 170 specifically over the 140 was from experience "far batter", but it is not clear what was actually meant. I've heard one supplier suggest that the 1.6 would be quieter "because it is smaller" but conversely seen reports that the bigger engines are quieter. It's really difficult to know what to believe.

I don't need the 170 for the extra power really , but I would be prepapred to pay for it if it is quieter and needs less work in town, overtaking etc and in that way is quieter.

I realise it may be difficult for you to advise here because perhaps your own individual experience is limited to the model you bought. But I hope there are a few of you in a position to give comparative advice.

Edited 8 October, 201114 yr by Mog-Puss

I Have had my 170 for 10 months now and done 35k in it and have had no noise issues at all if fact it is one of the quieter diesels I've had, it is definately quieter than my wifes 1.8TSI Octavia

You certainly couldn't call a 170CR Superb noisy and TBH I think the 140CR wouldn't be any noisier - until they were both pushed hard, then obviously the lower powered engine is bound to be noisier as it will be working harder, however 99% of owners wont be pushing the car that hard anyway so may not notice any difference between the two.

I heard somewhere that the 170 is a lot more relaxed because of the extra power it has

I want the quietest Superb diesel engine. I'll do a LOT of miles and most of them urban so diesel it ought to be, given the m.p.g. difference involved.

But only so long as the engine is pretty close to the quietness of the petrols. Noise is a big issue for me. On the other hand I hear that the Superb is a quite luxurious car and has sound well damped anyway. I have hearing loss, potentially screaming tinnitus and I have to have hearing aids in use to hear my passengers in the back, which then also amplify the sounds of the car as well. The whole reason for getting a car like a Superb is to get away from the unrefined and noisy nature of van-derived taxi's that I have started out with and found to be unsuitable for my problems. Unless there is a big difference between petrol and the quietest diesel, the question in the end will probably be, which diesel ?

I've Googled around various combinations of words and phrases and found this question difficult to pin down. One review did mention that the car tested which had a 170 CR was by far the best and quietest diesel. Now, that could mean two things - it could mean that the newer CR series of diesels are by far the best and the most quiet, or it could mean that the 170 specifically over the 140 was from experience "far batter", but it is not clear what was actually meant. I've heard one supplier suggest that the 1.6 would be quieter "because it is smaller" but conversely seen reports that the bigger engines are quieter. It's really difficult to know what to believe. I don't need the 170 for the extra power really , but I would be prepapred to pay for it if it is quieter and needs less work in town, overtaking etc and in that way is quieter. I realise it may be difficult for you to advise here because perhaps your own individual experience is limited to the model you bought. But I hope there are a few of you in a position to give comparative advice.

Government figures: (Scale is of course logrithmic, 3 decibels difference is twice as noisy). New 2 litre TSI is quitest by some way.

Manufacturer Model Description Noise Level dB(A)

SKODA Superb 1.4 TFSI 125PS 73.0

SKODA Superb 1.6 CR TDI 105PS 72.0

SKODA Superb 1.6 CR TDI 105PS GreenLine 72.0

SKODA Superb 1.8 TSI 152PS 73.0

SKODA Superb 1.8 TFSI 160PS 73.0

SKODA Superb 1.8 TFSI 160PS 7speed DSG 72.0

SKODA Superb 1.8 TSI 160PS 4x4 72.0

SKODA Superb 2.0 TDI 140PS with DPF 71.0

SKODA Superb 2.0 TDI 140PS 6speed DSG 71.0

SKODA Superb 2.0 CR TDI 140PS DSG 4x4 71.0

SKODA Superb 2.0 CR TDI 170PS with DPF 73.0

SKODA Superb 2.0 CR TDI 170PS 6speed DSG with DPF 73.0

SKODA Superb 2.0 CR TDI 170PS 4x4 with DPF 73.0

SKODA Superb 2.0 TFSI 200PS DSG 69.0

SKODA Superb 3.6 V6 260PS 4x4 6speed DSG 74.0

Edited 8 October, 201114 yr by lol

I am driving 1.6tri cr and can confirm that it is extremely quite inside the cabin. My previous car was citroen c5 1.6hdi and superb is considerably quiter than it.

Very interesting, thanks. Where are these numbers available? (if they are on the web somewhere).

Very interesting, thanks. Where are these numbers available? (if they are on the web somewhere).

Yes, the numbers are available at http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/downloads/download.aspx?rg=aug2011 but those above are not correct. The dB(A) numbers are different for hatch and estate and note the following as to how they are derived. I guess the quietest outside should be the quietest inside though. You'll need MS Excel to view but I'll try to find a way to post a table.

Noise levels dB(A) (moving)

The current noise test standard for passenger cars, as detailed in EU Directive 92/97, consists of driving the vehicle into a test area at a speed of 50 km/hr and then accelerating at full throttle through the test area. A microphone at a set distance from the line of travel measures the maximum level of noise reached. Noise levels are shown in decibels as measured on the A scale of a noise meter. The A scale was devised to ‘weight’ the reading of a noise so it more closely represented what is heard by the human ear.

I guess the quietest outside should be the quietest inside though. .....

Noise levels dB(A) (moving)

The current noise test standard for passenger cars, as detailed in EU Directive 92/97, consists of driving the vehicle into a test area at a speed of 50 km/hr and then accelerating at full throttle through the test area. A microphone at a set distance from the line of travel measures the maximum level of noise reached.

That is the problem with 'drive by' noise tests, they will bear little resemblance to in car noise, that will come down to trim level and the amount of noise insulation the car has.

Here you go...table of Superb noise levels off the VCA database...

Here you go...table of Superb noise levels off the VCA database...

Interesting that sometimes the estate is noisier and sometime quieter.

2 litre TSI quietest in both table, think I will stick with my decision to go with the 1.8 TSI DSG as it is middle range on noise but between the diesels and thirsty petrol models on acceleration, best comprise IMHO.

Edited 8 October, 201114 yr by lol

Quietness inside the car was a major criteria for me when I was looking to change cars, i compared a number of vehicles and Skoda in general was one of the quietest, I then drove a number of Skodas in different configurations.

within the skoda range I found sedans were slightly quieter than wagons, elegance spec was a bit quieter than Ambition and petrol quieter than diesels i ended up with a v6 4x4 sedan which I'm very happy with,

Interesting that it is the noisiest outside the car, my impression is it is the quietest inside

Yes, the numbers are available at http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/downloads/download.aspx?rg=aug2011 but those above are not correct. The dB(A) numbers are different for hatch and estate and note the following as to how they are derived. I guess the quietest outside should be the quietest inside though. You'll need MS Excel to view but I'll try to find a way to post a table.

Noise levels dB(A) (moving)

The current noise test standard for passenger cars, as detailed in EU Directive 92/97, consists of driving the vehicle into a test area at a speed of 50 km/hr and then accelerating at full throttle through the test area. A microphone at a set distance from the line of travel measures the maximum level of noise reached. Noise levels are shown in decibels as measured on the A scale of a noise meter. The A scale was devised to ‘weight’ the reading of a noise so it more closely represented what is heard by the human ear.

Interesting - I would then expect the DSG to show as noisier than the manual, as when you go to full throttle in the DSG it will drop one or two gears at 50kph, and hence the revs and noise level will be higher. The figures above though show the DSG as being the same as the manual - does anyone know why?

Interesting - I would then expect the DSG to show as noisier than the manual, as when you go to full throttle in the DSG it will drop one or two gears at 50kph, and hence the revs and noise level will be higher. The figures above though show the DSG as being the same as the manual - does anyone know why?

The results don't look consistent especially regarding higher revs when DSG changes down. The small range of variations between models just looks wrong.