Has anyone successfully used an oil extaction pump via the dipstick on a BXE engine? If so, what make / model of pump did you use?

Thanks

Ant

You know, they invented this magical thing called a sump plug... it sits at the bottom of the engine, in the oil pan and allows you to drain the old oil out, completely free of charge, by using gravity!

It also drains out nasty particles and deposits that might otherwise get left behind

I use a suction device (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more ) on my 2.0 BKD engine with no probs. It's a Pela pump 6000. Works a treat. No regrets. Works well on the wife's Fabia too. Yes, that's Fabia with an 'f'.

10 minutes or less on mine. Much easier than jacking the car up to get the underbody shields off to access the sump plug.

Out of interest, how long does it take to drain a full sump of oil using an extraction pump? Compared to removing the sump plug?

Cheers

Mike

Any tiny amount of time saved here will be cancelled out when your engine goes boom

Any tiny amount of time saved here will be cancelled out when your engine goes boom

Behave!

They've been sucking oil out through the top of the engine for years. All the main dealers do it now with no ill effects.

Seen the pela 6000 being used on a new merc cant remember the model but they come without drain plugs so this is the only way to remove the oil same with smart cars i think. Great tool took 5 minutes and oil was drained

But all the crap deposits are left in the engine!

I've got a Pela pump. Haven't used it on the Octavia but on my Mazda Bongo it does a most acceptable job.

If there a lot of very viscose stuff in the sump that the pump can't suck out I'm not sure how it would drain with the plug out.

But all the crap deposits are left in the engine!

Yeah, but no, but yeah . . . that's why engines have a cunningly fitted device called a FILTER

Oil route: Sump - - > Pump - - > Filter - - > Engine - - > Sump etc

One would hope that the filter does its job and filters out the crap. Hence no engine BoomBoom.

Yeah, but no, but yeah . . . that's why engines have a cunningly fitted device called a FILTER

Oil route: Sump - - > Pump - - > Filter - - > Engine - - > Sump etc

One would hope that the filter does its job and filters out the crap. Hence no engine BoomBoom.

I can still hear in the other ear :p

I can see where you're coming from with this, however, that also makes the assumption that there is 100% oil circulation. If the crap is never presented to the filter, it won't get filtered and will live quite happily in the bottom of the sump. (Although even taking the sump-plug out won't make much difference.)

One of the guys in the office (had a Saab) said the car ran much better when he had the sump removed, cleaned and replaced.

Yeh if only they had designed the sump to be quickly removed as that would be the ideal. To be able to remove the sum and clean everything out then refit.

If I haven't got my sump/plug sorted by the next oil change then I will get a pump and do it that way. Much easier for driveway oil changes too.

Phil

But all the crap deposits are left in the engine!

You're either trolling or have no idea what you're talking about.

What deposits? Have you ever drained a sump via the plug and anything other than oil has come out? If you have sump full of 'deposits' then either the engine has fallen to bits or the oil is so bad/sludgy etc due to never having been changed. Removing the sump plug in that case is no good. You'd need to take the sump off and the clean the pump/strainer/pickup etc.

I always know what I'm talking about.

But you lot carry on with your pumps. I'll carry on with and drain the oil in the manner in which the car manufacturer intended

I also use the suction tool and I'm a mechanic for over 12 years, also as said above all dealers use them now too, it's also handy for sucking out the dirty oil from the filter housing.

I always know what I'm talking about.

But you lot carry on with your pumps. I'll carry on with and drain the oil in the manner in which the car manufacturer intended

You do know that virtually ALL diesel engined motorboats change their oil using suction pumps don't you? in fact these suction pumps were originally developed for this application and it's a bit tricky getting to a sump plug (if they even had one) in the engine compartment of a motorboat...

Good luck reaching the sump plug on this one

Edited 1 March, 201214 yr by peterg1955

I'll carry on with and drain the oil in the manner in which the car manufacturer intended

So you'll be buying a pump then!?

The OP asked for reviews: I bought a Draper 77057 Manual and Pneumatic Oil Extractor from Amazon. Twas crap and I sent it back.

In the end I changed the oil the old fashioned way but I would be happy to use a suction device from another company.

I bought a pump and used it for an intermediate oil change at the tale end of last year. Brilliant bit of kit and as David said, also handy for cleaning out the filter housing. All thouse years I spent under cars changing oil, no wonder my back in knackered !

The suction pump method is so easy and clean that you are much more likely to do more frequent oil changes because of this. Surely a more frequent oil change is better than less frequent ones that may or may not remove 'crud' that isn't there in the first place.

If I had to decide to crawl about under the car, removing the jacking the car up, undertray, getting grit in my eyes, heaving on the sump plug, getting oil down my fore arms, dropping sump plug in the catch can, spilling oil over the road from catch can etc etc then I'm far less likely to do it. I could probably complete a whole oil and filter change AND have all the tools packed away and hands washed within around 15 mins.

_{Just cut a 2inch hole in your under tray in line with the sump plug then you can get a socket onto the sump plug, and drain away}

Edited 1 March, 201214 yr by skippy41

You know, they invented this magical thing called a sump plug... it sits at the bottom of the engine, in the oil pan and allows you to drain the old oil out, completely free of charge, by using gravity!

It also drains out nasty particles and deposits that might otherwise get left behind

While I would have tended to agree with you, I found not only does the pella get all of the crud out (I opened the sump after a drain once), but you also get more oil out as you can suck all the nasty dirty oil out of the filter housing.

They do work very well. I've got a pella 6k for exactly this reason and use it for changes. I do use a garage to check the car over and they use the sump plug every few changes just to make sure, but I don't think it's required.

I use a suction device (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more ) on my 2.0 BKD engine with no probs. It's a Pela pump 6000. Works a treat. No regrets. Works well on the wife's Fabia too. Yes, that's Fabia with an 'f'.

Nods as good as a wink to a blind bat.

Another thumbs up for a pella 6k.

Out of interest, how long does it take to drain a full sump of oil using an extraction pump? Compared to removing the sump plug?

Cheers

Mike

I can do a full change on a warm engine, from taking the oil cap off to putting it back on in 15-20 minutes.

That includes a drain, removal of old filter and draining of that, new filter, new oil and a clean up.

It's much easier than trying to get the under-tray off.

If they left a small hole in the under-tray so you could easily get to the sump plug, then it might be a different matter as to the way I did it, but they don't.

Any tiny amount of time saved here will be cancelled out when your engine goes boom

I don't think that's an issue, as I said I've drained then dropped the sump plug and it was fine.

Also as above boat engines have been changed using a vac pump for years and many car dealers do it this way too.

I still get the sump drained from time to time, but don't DIY it, as the under-tray is just such a pain.

IMHO it's far better to do a change more frequently with a new oil filter and new oil, than it is to leave it full time/distance and then drain it through the sump plug.

I bought a pump and used it for an intermediate oil change at the tale end of last year. Brilliant bit of kit and as David said, also handy for cleaning out the filter housing. All thouse years I spent under cars changing oil, no wonder my back in knackered !

I agree. Great for an interim oil change but I also agree with a sump plug removal and new filter at service time. The best of both worlds.

I believe the old saying to be true.. "Oil is the cheapest mechanic"!!!