I found this company on ebay selling remaps for

I found this company on ebay selling remaps for

Is it this company? They describe themselves as a national OBD performance remapping specialist and claim that remapping via the OBD socket does not invalidate the car's warranty. That's a :thumbdwn: from me if I am right.

Yep , any company that lies about it's services should automatically be treated with suspicion.

Apologies for joing the thread this way, I am the owner of Celtic Tuning and thought I would clear up some views on my remap service.

The reason it is on offer for ₤295 is purely to promote my business in its relatively early years and it is for a 7 day period only. The remap will normally cost ₤450 which is still very competitive.

The ECU is remapped by a direct link to the ECU and IS undetectable by main dealer equipment, if it wasn't I wouldnt be doing work for main dealers on brand new cars and the warranties still being valid. We take a copy of your exisitng map, remap a copy of this, and over write the existing with exactly the same hardware and software numbers. I will gladly demonstrate to anyone who disbelieves. I have remapped my own vehicle and have had warranted work carried out on it, and its covered in livery.

If anyone has any questions, please feel free to ask. I am a genuine remap specialist with 12 years experience.

Kind Regards

Graham

Celtic Tuning

Dealers being unable to detect it using a standard test is a very different thing from it not invalidating your warranty.

Thats like saying it's not illegal to steal something if you don't get seen.

In practice you probably won't have any issues getting warranty work done , but if skoda/the dealer does find out (for example by people posting on here about it) then they would be quite within their rights to tell you to get stuffed if your engine lunches itself.

As for remapping cars for main dealers , I'm sure Skoda would have something to say on the subject of warranties

The ECU is remapped by a direct link to the ECU and IS undetectable by main dealer equipment, if it wasn't I wouldnt be doing work for main dealers on brand new cars and the warranties still being valid.

As far as the SkodaAuto New Vehicle Warranty is concerned, I quote from the official warranty:

The warranty will not apply:

To any component that has......been materially altered or modified without the written approval of SkodAuto.

To components that are not of the manufaturer's selection or approval.

To damage or defects due to:

* installation of parts not approved by SkodaAuto

Whether or not the remap is undetectable is irrelevant to whether or not the warranty is affected. Remapping is a major change to the original specification and performance of the car and is something manufacturers would wish to take into account in the event of a warranty claim. Some may authorise particular tuners but SkodaAuto doesn't - at least in the UK. Likewise insurers must be advised of any remapping so that they can assess the risk covered.

People: I spoke to Graham earlier today, he really seems to be a genuine fella. I think people shouldn't jump to conclusions too fast! Until we know exactly what Celtic Tuning are offering!

Msg to Graham: I do think some of the replies to your post are true, could you please try to explain a little better, your statements about warranties.

Hello again

I do not dispute the fact that it will void your warranty if they are aware of the modification but unless you tell them or they test drive the car, they are not going to be aware of the modified data file.

As for insurance, my statement of being undetectable was not intended for people to with hold this information from their insurance providers, we advise that everyone who has the remap informs their insurance company.

No, we do not do work for Skoda, but we do carry out work for main dealers of other manufacturers. This is done on a franchise basis and obviosuly not to the entire dealer network.

I appreciate both constructive criticism and positive feedback so please feel free to post with any further queries.

Regards

Graham

Celtic Tuning

People: I spoke to Graham earlier today' date=' he really seems to be a genuine fella. I think people shouldn't jump to conclusions too fast! Until we know exactly what Celtic Tuning are offering!

Msg to Graham: I do think some of the replies to your post are true, could you please try to explain a little better on your statements about warranties.[/quote']

Chris

I appreciate your comments.

Does this clear up the questions or is there anything else that needs clarifying?

Cheers

Graham

if say i got my car tuned by you do you offer before and after rolling road runs to substantiate the power claims ??

ta mike

if say i got my car tuned by you do you offer before and after rolling road runs to substantiate the power claims ??

ta mike

Mike

As we are mobile obviously we dont carry a rolling road around.

We do however have equipment which accurately measures bhp and torque at the wheels taking into account transmission losses and drag coefficient. For instance a skoda Vrs 130 will put about 100bhp at the wheels before the remap, after the remap we will re-run the test for you and it will put around 145-150 at the wheels (the greater the bhp figure the greater the % losses through transmission and drag). This equates to 185bhp at the flywheel which is where the measurement is taken.

All maps are designed on a rolling road using exactly the same model vehicle for which they will be applied to and the figures are already proven.

Graham

ah your mobile didnt know that (you can get mobile rr's ya know :P)

what % transimision loss do you use and what gear do you use 4th or 5th.

i have always been dubious of claims to give certain amounts of power with engines varying as to the amount of power they can produce with manufacturing tollerences and all that jazz. have you ever heard of L.A.D motor sport ?? their 200bhp upgrade for the clio 172 manages to make no where near what they say but they still say it gives it 200 (infact it was tested as been slower than a stock car)

many thanks

I do not dispute the fact that it will void your warranty if they are aware of the modification but unless you tell them or they test drive the car, they are not going to be aware of the modified data file.

That is a very different thing to saying that (because) there is no need for removing or opening of the ECU as it is all carried out through the manufacturers OBD port which makes the procedure safe and does not invalidate the warranty. That is a direct quote from your site and it simply won't wash. And to claim that remapping via plug in modules will invalidate vehicle warranties whereas your method won't likewise doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Some people buy plug in modules so that they can revert their cars back to standard for servicing and warranty claims. I doubt the same can be done with your OBD remaps - unless you provide a plug in module?

For the record my car has been remapped by Jabbasport. That involved changing the original chip in the ECU for an emulator board and chip which could then be remapped. Jabbasport now do OBD remapping. I have always worked on the assumption that any dealer worth their salt would be able to tell that the car had been remapped just by driving it, and I have also had to accept that the warranty was at risk. I have been very fortunate in having had no problems of note with car, warranty or dealer.

ah your mobile didnt know that (you can get mobile rr's ya know :P)

what % transimision loss do you use and what gear do you use 4th or 5th.

i have always been dubious of claims to give certain amounts of power with engines varying as to the amount of power they can produce with manufacturing tollerences and all that jazz. have you ever heard of L.A.D motor sport ?? their 200bhp upgrade for the clio 172 manages to make no where near what they say but they still say it gives it 200 (infact it was tested as been slower than a stock car)

many thanks

Mike

We are looking to get a mobile rolling road, so will one day not too far away be able to prove our figures. The map is tested on other companies rolling roads at present so dont have the transmission loss %. The equipment we use when mobile gives you before and after bhp & torque so you can see the gains. The renault Clio is one of the worst for their claims of bhp, they very rarely come close to the claimed figures, much like the Mini Cooper S. The Skoda Fabia Vrs however is normally over the 130bhp mark rather than under and the 185bhp claim is conservative. As you are aware, all engines put out slightly varying figures and this will be reflected in the final output. Likewise, all rolling roads give different readings so it is only indicative of the power.

Cheers

Graham

Dennis

By plugging into the ECU, I am not opening or removing it, simply connecting to it. I am not comparing to Revo kit and the difference with a plug in module is that if you haven't informed your insurance company and have an accident, how do you suppose removing the module if you're (god forbid) in hospital?

I'm glad you're happy with your Jabba remap, I am not undermining anyone elses work, just promoting my own. I haven't come on here scouting for business, a link was posted which I disagreed with and am simply responding to.

Regards

Graham

good atleast you will deffend your figures unlike lad lol

Graham, I haven't welcomed you to Briskoda yet, have I, so let me do so now before I forget! I would never condone failing to advise an insurer of any form of tuning or modification, and it follows that I do not see a removeable tuning module as a way of hiding a remap from an insurer. Its advanatge over chips and 'straight' OBD remapping is as I said: with at least one version you can reload the original map and revert the ECU back to standard prior to taking your car to be serviced.

Denis

Thanks, always nice to speak to new people, so Hi

I completely agree about the modules, however we can remap the latest EDC16 ecu's as well and im not sure how a module would go about those, they're very complex ecu's.

As for my figures, I will stand by them or refund, simple as that.

Cheers

Graham

Would you be able to remap Fabia 2.0 models? I already have an air filter that has given me an extra 7bhp (believe it or not). How much would a remap cost (if it can be done)? The 2.0 is an 8V engine model, with stock power 115 bhp.

Just wanna know for future references, unfortunately I do not live in the UK. (There are other people with 2.0s in this forum though )

Would you be able to remap Fabia 2.0 models? I already have an air filter that has given me an extra 7bhp (believe it or not). How much would a remap cost (if it can be done)? The 2.0 is an 8V engine model' date=' with stock power 115 bhp.

Just wanna know for future references, unfortunately I do not live in the UK. (There are other people with 2.0s in this forum though )[/quote']

Im afraid not. I can remap the turbos and stock 20v but not the 8v. The technology in the ECU is too old for me to remap.

Cheers

Graham

Im afraid not. I can remap the turbos and stock 20v but not the 8v. The technology in the ECU is too old for me to remap.

Cheers

Graham

Wow...it's too old? The 2.0 Fabia was the most technologically-advanced car in its class when it was introduced (even more than the Golf), how can it be too old? :( That sucks. It's discomforting, but I'm pretty sure if there are tuners who can do 8V Golfs, they can do 8V Fabias...

Don't say it's too old man that hurts! :P

Wow...it's too old? The 2.0 Fabia was the most technologically-advanced car in its class when it was introduced (even more than the Golf)' date=' how can it be too old? :( That sucks. It's discomforting, but I'm pretty sure if there are tuners who can do 8V Golfs, they can do 8V Fabias...

Don't say it's too old man that hurts! :P[/quote']

Remapping a NA engine will only give you around a 10% increase....not much really. :(

But there's loads of traditional tuing methods available e.g. porting head, different cams, exhausts etc. However these are generally more expensive due to the labour involved.

Check out TSR for some ideas on what can be done.

Wow...it's too old? The 2.0 Fabia was the most technologically-advanced car in its class when it was introduced (even more than the Golf)' date=' how can it be too old? :( That sucks. It's discomforting, but I'm pretty sure if there are tuners who can do 8V Golfs, they can do 8V Fabias...

Don't say it's too old man that hurts! :P[/quote']

Lol

Not too old in general, just for my remap software, relax

I tend not to get too invloved with N/A remapping, the gains people claim are always over rated. On a dyno they rarely come to fruition. Altough saying that I remapped an Alfa 156 the other day and that made an unbelievable difference.

Graham

Remapping a NA engine will only give you around a 10% increase....not much really. :(

But there's loads of traditional tuing methods available e.g. porting head' date=' different cams, exhausts etc. However these are generally more expensive due to the labour involved.

Check out TSR for some ideas on what can be done.[/quote']

Adrian

You're very right.

I know you guys are obviously fanatics about your skodas so dont gun me down here, but I recently completely rebuilt my Fiat Coupe 2.0 16 Valve. I ported and polished the head, cut 3 angle valve seats, and put C&B cams in, lightened and balanced the crank, flywheel and con rods. This, although expensive, is the best way IMHO to extract decent power from a N/A engine.

Graham