have searched as many threads as time allowed but couldnt really find an answer

so here goes

have just fitted 4 new vred's on my 09 vrs and am considering tyre rotation . this is the first time i have had 4 new tyres on a car for over 10 years .

i do about 18000 miles a year 80 % motorway . it does get thrown into a few corners & i do relive my youth now and again at lights but it mostly 6th gear cruising

so how often should i rotate is it miles , time or tyre depth

i know it will probably reopen the tyre rotation debate again .

i usually just wait for them to wear out then change them but as its my first car with some life in it for a while i would like the tyres to last as thet are not cheap

cheers

i usually just wait for them to wear out then change them but as its my first car with some life in it for a while i would like the tyres to last as thet are not cheap

The problem with rotating your tyres is that they'll all need replacing at the same time again. So when it comes to it you'll be stumping up the same wallet emptying amount.

The problem with rotating your tyres is that they'll all need replacing at the same time again. So when it comes to it you'll be stumping up the same wallet emptying amount.

I don't get this argument, you still spend the money sooner or later. If you rotate you have similar tread depth and the same tyre all round. Wouldn't consider doing it any other way.

One argument I did get was thet the better balanced wheels should go on the front. I rotate though.

The problem with rotating your tyres is that they'll all need replacing at the same time again. So when it comes to it you'll be stumping up the same wallet emptying amount.

you usualy get a better discount for buying 4 tyres at once . i did when i bought my 4 .

ok you spend more in a lump as opposed to paying smaller amounts over the same time

but slightly less as said before cos bigger discount when buying 4

Plus you match tread pattern and characteristics when you change all at once. If you change just an axle pair, the pattern may become obsolete by the time you change the other pair.

Rotate when total tread per side (i.e. front + back) is original tread depth of the new tyre (from website) + 3.2mm. i.e half the use able tread has been used. Check other side of car is the same.

Rotation is the way forward. Back to front & offside to near.

Keeps the tracking truer (IMO anyway).

Also I've found 4 for 3 deals in the past when replacing the whole set.

I don't get this argument, you still spend the money sooner or later. If you rotate you have similar tread depth and the same tyre all round. Wouldn't consider doing it any other way.

It is about spreading the cost. Some people find it difficult to find £600+ at one go to buy four tyres.

Tyre rotation is no longer recommended:

Is it a good idea to rotate your tyres?

Many tyre manufacturers agree that it is no longer good practice to rotate your tyres in order to extend their legal life. The reasons for this are:

• Partly worn tyres are more likely to experience punctures – particularly in wet weather conditions.
  
• Front tyre deflation will create an under-steer effect which is easier to control than over-steer (the effect produced by a rear tyre deflation)
  
• In the unlikely event that a tyre deflates suddenly, then it is easier to control the vehicle if this occurs at the front of the vehicle. For improved handling and stability it is now recommended that the ‘best’ tyres i.e. those with the most tread should always be fitted at the rear of the vehicle. This is irrespective of whether the car is front or rear wheel drive.
  

It is about spreading the cost. Some people find it difficult to find £600+ at one go to buy four tyres.

Tyre rotation is no longer recommended:

Is it a good idea to rotate your tyres?

Many tyre manufacturers agree that it is no longer good practice to rotate your tyres in order to extend their legal life. The reasons for this are:

• Partly worn tyres are more likely to experience punctures – particularly in wet weather conditions.
  
• Front tyre deflation will create an under-steer effect which is easier to control than over-steer (the effect produced by a rear tyre deflation)
  
• In the unlikely event that a tyre deflates suddenly, then it is easier to control the vehicle if this occurs at the front of the vehicle. For improved handling and stability it is now recommended that the ‘best’ tyres i.e. those with the most tread should always be fitted at the rear of the vehicle. This is irrespective of whether the car is front or rear wheel drive.
  

All weak arguments. Why would a more worn tyre be more likely to deflate either slowly or suddenly, it's not like you are running the tyre beyond what it is intended for?

Tyre manufacturers want regular turnover so it is more beneficial to them if you buy 2 more frequently so forgive me being sceptical of their recommendations

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Rotation is the way forward. Back to front & offside to near.

Keeps the tracking truer (IMO anyway).

Also I've found 4 for 3 deals in the past when replacing the whole set.

Ive found you cant swop them offside to nearside much nowadays due the amount of directional tyres fitted.

I have 44000km on mine.

Did rotate at 20000km front to rear.

The front ones another 2/3000 and the rear for another 10000km.

Oh yes, did put nitrogen into the tires at almost birth.

My rear tire s on my Vrs are gone quiet noisy from the common feathered wearing, wonder if I put them on the front will they wear flat again

All weak arguments. Why would a more worn tyre be more likely to deflate either slowly or suddenly, it's not like you are running the tyre beyond what it is intended for?

Because I guess worn tyres are more susceptible to punctures - less tread for foreign objects to pass through. A puncture will result in either slow or sudden deflation.

Running four worn tyres that are close to the legal limit will offer less grip than two brand new and two part worn tyres...

I have 44000km on mine.

Did rotate at 20000km front to rear.

The front ones another 2/3000 and the rear for another 10000km.

Oh yes, did put nitrogen into the tires at almost birth.

excuse the ignorance but what benifits does nitrogen have over normal air

Jonno ur gas u never give up lol

Nitrogen might permeate the tyre more slowly (see http://www.getnitrogen.org/pdf/graham.pdf)

Ordinary common old garden air is already 70% nitrogen and has another wonderful winning quality about it which is to do with it being entirely free.

excuse the ignorance but what benifits does nitrogen have over normal air

Had/have nitrogen on other tires and few things that I find worth

1. The tire after many kms doesn´t look "old", the tire walls aren´t cut or other marks due to oldness.

2. I do find somewhat better comfort, seems smoother on bumps

3. Hardly have to look at the pressure, no loss pressure.

Hi All

If your geometry is right, you shouldn't need to rotate. I do 2 at a time.

When the fronts need changed,the back ones go on the front (they usually have very little wear) and the worn ones are replaced and are put on the back.

If you think about it, the fronts wear down quicker so they get replaced quicker so there is less time they are used with low tread depth. If you rotate, wear is evened out so they are all at very low tread at some point sometimes for a considerable time.

I don't see the benefit of nitrogen unless you expect there to be spontaneous combustion from your tyre

If you check your tyres on a regular basis (once a week) to make sure there are no cuts, nails, or other damage and also check and adjust the pressures if required, you shouldn't have much trouble with them. Also, try to avoid bumping up and down kerbs and potholes if you can as this also causes damage.

I usually purchase a couple of tyres off the web (Camskill etc) when they are at a good price and keep them until I need them replaced. I will need to replace the front 2 on my Astravan soon and have 2 x Falken 452's sitting waiting. The rears will go on the front and they are still like new with very little wear.

Cheers

Dave

Jonno ur gas u never give up lol

What?

Tyre rotation is no longer recommended:

The Octavia Owner's Manual includes recommendations about when to change wheels around.

Given the accuracy of the Octavia manual to explain even some of the basic operational instructions and the fact that even in todays manual there are mistakes that are still there from the pre-facelift era I'd be more inclined to take the latest advice direct from the tyre manufacturers on tyre specific issues...

Your choice entirely but what is wrong with the tyre advice in the Octavia (and the other Skoda model) manuals? And do you also disagree with Skoda's tyre advice for models with ESP and TCS? I rotated the tyres regularly on my 2002 Octavia1.8T 4X4 to maintain the same rolling radius front and rear, and Intend doing the same with my curernt car.

I didn't say that the advice on tyres was wrong in the Octavia manual; I just said that I'd be more inclined to trust the latest information from the tyre manufacturer for the specific tyres fitted to my car, especially knowing some of the inaccuracy’s in the Octavia manual.

However the latest advice also recommends putting new tyres on the back, I've always put them on the front, for no reason other than that's what I've always done.

We also have a 4x4 Scout Octavia and it wears all four tyres evenly. At £600 I now put more away each month ready for the next time!

I had the alloys refurbed recently on the vRS and they rotated the wheels, don't know if they did it deliberately or not.

As with most things different people have different preferences.

Nitrogen might permeate the tyre more slowly (see http://www.getnitrog.../pdf/graham.pdf)

Ordinary common old garden air is already 70% nitrogen and has another wonderful winning quality about it which is to do with it being entirely free.

78%.

Yeah, most of us get the "10% extra FREE" deal on Nitrogen, but only if you get it from the most popular supplier "AIR" who are usually a little generous anyway.:-)

In all seriousness, I'll fill with Nitrogen where its free e.g. Costco, or when I used to work for a fast fit chain, but I'd rather check them regularly and rotate to preserve my haldex and quattro drivetrains.