if i was to get hold of a standard kkk does anyone have any idea how much someone would charge for it to be rebuilt/hybrid'd

5-800 quid

i was under the impression the hybrids were about 800 anyway...

That y i put it as between that amount some people wil it tho

We do hybrid turbos but we will only do garrett but it's about 500-550 needs to be a good coniditin tho.if you need a core unit it's about £700 but core units are very hard to get at the sec :(. Iv just used my last core unit for one of the guys on here :(

We have held off from doing this for a while now after stumbling across the Dirty Torque website, but since Dean and Karl are now getting customers to plug them on the forums and also dropping hints about their turbo kits when people ask about our kits, I think it is time we tell the truth on how Dirty Torque Developments came about.

I own Darkside Developments with my bro Ryan.

Dean from DTD bought an old turbo setup from Ryan around April last year. From there he sent over 200 emails asking about everything you can imagine to do with diesel tuning. When he was down on cash we helped him out by buying some parts from him for much more than we usually would. We even sold him Powergate Tool so he could tune the ECUs as he wanted to be a 'dealer' for our products and needed us to help him set up a website to advertise the products on. He would be our ‘fitting centre’ down South.

Dean knew who we used for some of our fabrication work, and must have decided to cut us out of the picture. We later found out that Dean drove from getting a load of money from us, straight to the fabricator to discuss their new business venture!

We used this particular fabricator for 1 Manifold and some flanges. All the flanges were all bent and the manifold had very poor welding, so we decided not to use him again. Since then we have heard some horror stories of the manifolds he makes breaking and poor customer service etc.

We paid for the jig for the manifold and the CAD for the flanges so it is yet another stepping stone we created for DTD.

Since we declined to help Dean with the website (why should we help someone set up a business?), he seems to have took it upon himself to use all of our information as his own.

Take a look at their Turbo Kit listing:

http://www.dirty-tor...ts/show/3059915

Look familiar?

http://www.darksided...di-engines.html

It’s a pretty much copy and paste affair of ours in most part.

Also, did they show you their ‘Demo Car’?

‘We currently run this turbo kit on our own Skoda Fabia Vrs TDI PD130 Demo Car which achieves 235bhp /360lbsft’

Have you seen this before? Yep you sure have:

We fitted that kit with our own bare hands as well as doing all the tuning, it was one of the first we did. Karl, Dean’s brother bought it from the customer we did all the work for (Luke) and now they are passing it off as their work!

If price is all someone is bothered about, I am sure they will go with the DirtyTorque Kit, but we have sold 70 Turbo Kits in just over 18 months, so that shows you something. We used Brand New Genuine Garrett Turbochargers with a 1 Year Warranty, and our Manifolds and Downpipes have a lifetime warranty against cracking. You need to compare apples with apples. Their kits are a little cheaper than ours, but we don’t make a crazy amount on them, so something has got to give. You squeeze on price, you have the squeeze on quality somewhere.

I am sure Dean will come up with some crazy story about how we are lying and that everything was their own idea, but he thinks we are stupid, getting his brother and friends to email us and ring us to ask advice on what to fit etc. Its not clever, it just makes them look like novices.

They are also claiming 328bhp at the flywheel with a set of Firad 80% Injectors. I have no doubt the Injectors will do that power, but there is no way the stock head and camshaft will flow that amount of power, no matter how much fuel, NOS, Water/Meth or fairy dust you pile in there.

You can buy the fake Adidas, or buy the real deal. Its your choice.

Thanks

Scott

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That's an interesting post George or Darkside, I will reserve judgement until DTD come back with their reply/answer.

From what I have seen posted about people experiences with DTD they all seem to be pretty happy.

How come Darkside aren't really associated with the forum seeing as you are pretty big on the Diesel tuning scene?

kiddy - Yeah I am sure Dean has been looking after his customers, he was always a nice guy to us and we didn't have any problems with him, but once this all came about, we were pretty upset. Someone you don't know copying your work is annoying. Someone you considered a friend doing it hurts pretty bad, especially considering the help we gave him at the start.

In regards to forums, we are so busy doing what we are doing, we have not wanted to go out looking for work, until we have the processes in place ot cope with it. We have just took over another unit for storage and are extending our current premises as well, and we have some guys helping us out with the admin side of things, so hopefully we can concentrate on building even further.

Most people know where we are if they need to chat anyway.

Thanks!

Scott