Hi everyone.

I will probably order next week a new Octavia 1.6 Tdi. Metallic blue with Crateris alloys, all the toys. Thing is, I haven't signed anything yet. I am due for a test drive before that. Please share your opinions if you own one of these models. Is it economical i.e. could I get 70mpg on a good motorway run? Is it quiet and smooth. What are the revs at 80mph in 5th? (I think it is a 5-speed box). The salesman said, haha, that the 1.2 Tsi is not powerful enough for the Octavia. Hmm, I think he just wanted me to buy a more expensive car. I wonder if it is possible to get 50mpg. If so, maybe the TSI. By the way, he said 8 weeks for delivery of all Octavias, and that production of Octavia 2 finishes in December. I live in Poland, by the way.

Regards,

Steve

See my video

I have a Leon with the same engine. If you sit at 60mph, depending on weather etc, you will see between 70-80mpg. My journey to work is about half motorway and half country roads. By the time I hit the motorway I'm usually around 60-62mpg. 15 miles later when I get off the motorway, it's around 70mpg.

In the Leon, it's 1900RPM @ 70mph. However, I have the ecomotive engine (same as Skoda 'greenline') These engines come with extended gearing, so it's more economical and sits at lower revs compared to a standard 1.6TDI.

Thanks for the answer and the video - it tells me all I need to know, I won't be cruising at 190km/h, that's for sure!

Steve,

there's quite a bit of discussion about consumption around the forums. I really like the car, especially with the wide spread of torque, but no matter what I do I can't get my consumption close to that of some of the other members.

Now the car is fully run in (close to 50K miles) things have improved a little though, but I never get close to 70mpg

Hello Gyp,

To be honest I think I'm being greedy if I expect 70mpg on a long run, but say, 65 mpg or 60, that's possible isn't it? I have also driven extensively a 2.0 110bhp turbodiesel Octavia. I love the fact it has 6 gears, but I have read that this engine is a bit long in the tooth and not as reliable as the 1.6 and even the 1.9pd tdi? Can anyone confirm or deny these rumours?

We have these engines albeit in golfs, they average 57 mpg but bare in mind most of that is motorway and they are not driven with respect. I had a Leon ecomotive on demo a few weeks ago and that averaged 68 mpg driven gently on single carriage way roads between Peterborough and donnington race track, on short trips of 14 miles it averaged just under 60mpg where as a vw up managed just under 69mpg. For motorways try are fine. They are gutless when sitting in 5th at 50 mph and need to be knocked down to 4th, from 60mph upwards they are fine. Around town you need to be 1 gear lower than it suggests but I did ind the seat better than the golf at determining what gear it should be in.

I've yet to try the Octavia 1.6 but hoping to get a Demo for a week very soon. Would I buy one ... Maybe, but I'd give consideration to the 1.8 tsi first.

thanks for that..my local dealer is now offering me for the same price a 2.0 tdi 110bhp octavia, for the same price. it has 6 gears. mind you, it's in black, and that's a bit risky, all those scratches and stone chips showing up easily...

I don't think there will be much in it, although I would expect the larger capacity to have the edge. The 1.6 isn't a bad engine for its size.

Hello Gyp,

To be honest I think I'm being greedy if I expect 70mpg on a long run, but say, 65 mpg or 60, that's possible isn't it? I have also driven extensively a 2.0 110bhp turbodiesel Octavia. I love the fact it has 6 gears, but I have read that this engine is a bit long in the tooth and not as reliable as the 1.6 and even the 1.9pd tdi? Can anyone confirm or deny these rumours?

Today was a good example; I got to do my regular Sunday journey - 30 miles there and 30 miles back. a good mix of dual carraigeway, single carriageway and country lanes. Acceleration was gentle and speeds were kept at (in 20, 30, 40, 50 and 60) the speed limit or just below (on dual carriageways) Going I averaged 55.5, coming back I averaged 57.5.

I have managed to get low 60's on long motorway journeys at about 65mph, but no more.

I look back fondly at the days when I used to get comfortably over 50mpg in my remapped Mk1 1.9 with spirited driving even running on supermarket veg oil. Tell that to the kids of today...

the 2.0tdi 110hp engine is the same as the 140hp, everything. The only dif is ECU software.

Some have gone to do a dyno teste and revealed same power as the 140hp, then tuned to about 170hp.

The octavia did not come over here with this engine, too bad.

My opinion, get the 2.0tdi

There is quite a difference between the new CR system and the older PD.

I was told that the new 1.6 TDI engine is effectively a replacement for the old 1.9. Its got plenty of grunt for the Octavia and should be reliable.

I am a 1.6 CR owner.... At 80 mph I'm getting around 2300-2400 rpm; in average I am getting 50-52 mpg. On long runs I manage

to get 58-59 mpg (cruise control at 70 mph). To get over 60 mpg perhaps you have to stay bellow 60 mph .... and to have the right weather ...

I find it very strange that the 1.6d economy seems to be little better in the real world than my vRS!!

At 65mph on a motorway, my vRS will give me around 62mpg.

At 70mph, around 58mpg.

At 75mph, around 54mpg.

Perhaps the car is just to heavy to be pulled by the 1.6 with anything like the efficiency they tell you in the brochure??

H

Edited 9 October, 201213 yr by Herschel

Interesting thread. I'm upgrading my 2001 Fabia with a 2012 Octy SE (1.6 TDI).

The dealer didn't have the colour I wanted so they're getting it from Skoda and with just 12k miles it should be in good nick. They "forgot" to take the deposit though so can still pull out of buying. Knowing very little about cars apart from how to drive them and after reading about the recall injector problems in another thread I'm getting a little jittery at handing over quite a lot of money. Reg was March 2012, so not sure if it will be affected. Apart from the usual, is there anything I should check for when I go to see the car?

Edited 9 October, 201213 yr by CVO

Lets put did way, the 1.6tdi is a more overall refined engine.

It definitaly does not have that punch at low RPM as the 1.9tdi.

It will never have the same type of mpg around city because of this.

It definitaly needs a 6 speed gear box, let down on this compared to other makes. And this will have it´s effect on mpg and low rpm performance.

The mpg in city are being reported between 6.0-7.5 Liters.(normal driving)

Crusing at 60-70mph reportes are between 5.0-5.5 liters.(normal driving)

Sure I can get average 4.5 liters (town/city), but do have to work the gearbox.

I drive about 25km to work, going to work mostly downhill or flat land, I can get even less than 4.5 liters.

Coming home if I push gears, flat and uphill, I can get home with an mpg of 8.0 liters.

At the moment, still testing the reprogramed 1.6tdi engine, I´m seeing how many kms I can get from a tank of fuel, untill reserve light comes on. Normaly I would get around 850km, averaging around 5.5 Liters on maxidot.

Have done 750km soo far and still 300km to do (including reserve).

And yes do recomend reprograming this engine (soft) daily driving iets better at any stage. (feels almost like the 2.0tdi 140hp)

Have a friend with a Golf that has over 100k in 2 years, so reliable yes (the 1.9tdi had it´s many problems, I think the best rated 1.9tdi was the AFN 110hp engine, around 1997 when it came out, the passats had them)

To answer CVO, go for a drive and push a few gears, let the car idle after and see if the idle itself is nice and flowish sound, no hesitation.

This engine is reliable, if it weren´t VW wouldn´t put in the new models(Golf,Rapid,Leon,Toledo, A3)

And still with the 5 speed gearbox

The 2.0 CR 140 does not have any punch at low RPM either! It is pretty economical and very smooth in town.

Yup, this is turning into an interesting thread, morphing along nicely. I'm now getting turned off the 1.6 and in any case have driven the 2.0 110bhp many many times. It's nice and quiet and refined. I don't know anything about this engine! Is it available in Britain? Is it an old engine or one just introduced into the VAG/Skoda stable? In Poland all you can get for diesels are the 1.6 tdi 105 and the 2.0 110 and then the 140 bhp and then the VRS. My dealer still has the black one for me ready...grr just waiting for the money to arrive from the UK, bank screwed up the transfer. In Poland it's a great idea to buy black as it is a very very desirable colour. Resale values of black cars are much higher here. Also silver is a very popular colour. Any ideas on now to look after a black car properly apart from covering it in plasic and sellophane?

...in any case have driven the 2.0 110bhp many many times. It's nice and quiet and refined. I don't know anything about this engine! Is it available in Britain?

2 litre 110BHP is not available in UK in the Octavia - just in the Yeti I think.

I had a good long drive in a 1.6 TDi with the 7 speed DSG as a courtesy car a couple of years ago. Did a couple of hundred miles in it and was very impressed with the performance.

The 2.0 110was available in the golf I think. I had a passat 2.0 tdi 140ps estate on hire and driving sedately and sitting at 55mph I managed 69.9mpg, which for the size of the car was very good. I find the 1.6 a nice engine, it doesn't have lw down grunt but if you use the gearbox is fairly nippy and in fifth at 80 it oes accelerate.

As I keep saying (despite ever ongoing low speed/manouvering DSG issues)

With the DSG the 1.6TDI is all the engine one needs, simply because it is always in the correct gear.

A wee cracker!

Plus on kickdown it is not backward about using the full rev range.

and having lived with the somewhat rachous 1.9TDI in another installation I am getting used to the QUIET

One of the young site engineers at our work has the 1.6 tdi engine in his golf bluemotion. I cant help feeling this engine would work better with a 6 speed box. The 5 speed box in his is so long legged that it totally hampers progress. You have to drop down a couple of gears to accelerate and even then its slow. A gearbox with shorter ratios but more of them would make more sense. He doesnt even get good mpg as he has to rag it to make any decent progress rather than wafting along on the wave of torque as you norammly do in a diesel. I would recomend trying one first as i wouldnt buy one and you cant judge how a car will perform based on bhp and torque figures alone. My old disesel mk4 golf only had 115bhp compared to the 105bhp of the 1.6 so you would initially think it was similar but my old car was miles faster and more relaxing to drive. It had the 6 speed box but also more torque and i bet the differences in mpg where not that great either.

Another mate of mine changed his 140bhp A3 for a new 1.6 tdi A3 and he regrets it. He feels its miles slower and no more economical. I did warn him but he wouldnt listen.

The 1.6tdi is very comparable to the 110hp and latest 105hp.

Sometimes it would suprise how nippy it was, between 2000-2800rpm is very fast in fifth (for the engine) or any other gear.

Then you have another issue, this engine on other makes does not mean the behavier is the same.

Mine revealed + 110hp and 275nm(200lb/ft), a Golf bluemotion revealed 105hp and 249nm.

Here´s a small video after reprogramed.

Do compare

The 1.6tdi is very comparable to the 110hp and latest 105hp.

Sometimes it would suprise how nippy it was, between 2000-2800rpm is very fast in fifth (for the engine) or any other gear.

Then you have another issue, this engine on other makes does not mean the behavier is the same.

Mine revealed + 110hp and 275nm(200lb/ft), a Golf bluemotion revealed 105hp and 249nm.

Here´s a small video after reprogramed.

Do compare

Didnt realise the engine had different outputs in different cars. That may explain why it felt underpowered in the golf and audi. I cant view the clips you linked unfortunately due to crappy locked down works laptop.

Before testing the Octavia, wifw and I went to test the Seat Altea XL also with the 1.6tdi engine.

I drove first then the wife.

Got the final price and went off to Skoda.

I drove first the wife, I sat in the back as the saleswoman sat in front as wife was driving.

Took off and not even a mile down the wife was asking if the engine was the same 1.6tdi or was she driving the 2.0tdi.

Yes the Altea was very slow compared to the Octavia, and the mpg on then runs about 6.5-7.0 liters.

My mate has a Fabia break 1.4tdi and another mate has the seat ibiza 1.4tdi, the diference is abismal, the seat is slow and harsh