Silver101. You said.... "Even the individual DRL will only dim or extinguish if dipped beams are on" this is incorrect, the DRL would not be on at all when dipped beam on.

 

Not quite, the Octavia vRS and Fabia vRS (and some other manufacturers) utilise their LED DRL's as both DRL's and sidelights / parking lights.

 

So in theory DRL's can be on with dipped beam, albeit dimmed.

 

 

I've seen that picture of the yeti before on another thread, and remember you said the car was in reverse gear at the time, is that right? There is nothing to suggest that yeti is in reverse, no reflection in the bus stop behind as the rear tail light is. I have never seen a vehicles cornering fog light come on when in reverse, that's not to say it doesn't happen but on my fathers yeti they did not illuminate in reverse.

 

The number of different configurations / uses across different models and maufacturers is quite astounding.

 

Cornering fogs lights can come on in reverse, but only in pairs i.e. both of them.

 

On both the Yeti and Superb, if dipped headlights are on and reverse gear is engaged both front cornering lights turn on together. The idea behind this is that they aid visibility when the front end swings wide when in reverse, where a low wall or bollard alongside the car might otherwise be hidden.

 

Whilst I benefit from the single sided cornering lights in forward gears I still have my reservations about both coming on in reverse. As this thread has demonstrated a lot of people do not know what cornering lights are and that on some vehicles they utilise the fog lights. As a result a lot of people will be thinking "there goes another plum with his fog lights on". Having only one come on, and having it fade in and out, and it only operating at low speeds gives those with no clue half a chance to understand what might be happening. When both come on in reverse I'd guess that the majority of other road users would assume they were fog lights, it is this I dislike.

 

Cornering fog lights and the influences that activate them are all adjustable using VCDS, it is just a shame that they aren't accessible through Maxidot like the turning on and off of DRL's are.

The dimmed DRL'S are sidelights on the vRS i am more than aware of this. When they are dimmed they are sidelights not DRL'S.

I'm pretty clued up on vehicle lighting IMO but if I saw a car with both fog lights on I would assume they were being used as fog lights, nothing else. I have still not seen this happen by the way.

Has this thread demonstrated a lack of understanding, thats a bold statement.

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That was my point, dimmed DRL's are often mistaken for front fog lights. Whilst dimmed and performing the role of side lights they are still the DRL light units.

 

Cornering fog lights are often mistaken for defective fog lights or improper use of fog lights.

 

After a period of fog it is amazing how many Nissan Jukes and Qashqai's are driving around for several days afterwards with their front fog lights on. When the headlights are turned off the rear fog light is also automatically cancelled, but the front fogs are not. The in-dash warning for the front fogs is difficult to see so when the headlights are next turned on the front fog lights also come on and the driver is often unaware.

 

You only need to see how many people drive on well illuminated roads with only DRL's on and no rear lights to appreciate some people just do not know how the lights on their car work. This is partly the fault of the manufacturers by having all the interior lit up giving the driver no indication that their external lighting is not on.

 

I don't know how Hyundai have got around the regs but the LED DRL's on the i30 do not dim when side lights or dipped headlights are turned on. The DRL's are down by the fog lights, so you can have a situation where you are approaching an i30 or Kia Ceed at dusk with the 5W side lights on inside the main headlight and the DRL's on at full brightness. It is hardly surprising people would assume they had their front fog lights on.

 

The fact that people complain and enquire about them regularly would suggest to me that there is a general lack of knowledge or awareness.

 

53 posts in this thread alone and one of very many on the subject of vehicle lighting, and of those there is a distinct trend towards DRL's and cornering lights, which started appearing back in 2009 when the facelift MkII Octavia arrived.

Edited 25 December, 201510 yr by silver1011

That's something I often fail to get my head round, fig lights coming back on the next time the engine is started/lights getting turned back on. On the Fabia, this doesn't happen due to the mechanism of activating them but for those vehicles with a button it's different. The front fog lamp symbol could, for those who choose not to familiarise themselves with their dash lights look like standard headlights.

There is a massive DRL following both for and against (don't forget HIDs too lol) I am very pro DRL for safety and aesthetics but just keep it simple...

1. On or off (off with sidelights)

2. LED or CREE

I dislike cornering fogs but do like active cornering headlights, they are a driver aid so don't need to be observed by other road users.

That's just my opinion and not embraced by everyone.

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What has been demonstrated time after time in this thread and many others is the if you use the 'Term Fog Light'  and use the 'Fog Lights; to be Driving Lights' 

then you need to explain the point of them coming on at low speeds in towns when you might have on sidelights or dipped beams when additional lighting might not be required.

 

If you need lights to be able to see when you are not going to dazzle other drivers you have a Pair of Full Beam and also a Pair of Front Fog lights to put on, rather than just willy nilly one extra light illuminates, or even 2 at the front because you selected reverse.

 

Many car owners have the facility to enable these 'Modern Technical wonders' that are supposedly the greatest thing since sliced bread, but are considerate of other road users and just dont.

They are quite capable of seeing where they are going without 'special needs lighting'.

Edited 25 December, 201510 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

The "special needs lighting" as you call it or "**** lights" (This Way And That) you also affectionately refer to them in other threads are all type approved and perfectly legal to use. Your terminology suggests to me that your annoyance is directed more at those who dare to like them or are able to appreciate their benefit.

 

The reason manufacturers choose to either enable them or disable them isn't for fear of distracting or blinding other road users, it is because they are a business and need to differentiate between models and brands and charge a premium for certain features where they choose to.

 

It is a phenomena amongst certain people, those simply dead set against progress.

 

They've never needed the ABS brakes on their car, nor the seatbelts, nor the stability control. All unnecessary expense and complication, something else to break or go wrong.

 

Xenon headlights? LED headlights? Pah, the old paraffin headlight from years gone by worked just fine! 

Edited 26 December, 201510 yr by silver1011

You see wrong though, again, because my annoyance is false, a wind up, not serious, just taking the pith, trolling, posting to prolong the discussions,

its just to wind them up that take their self too serious.

 

You see wrong though, again, because my annoyance is false, a wind up, not serious, just taking the pith, trolling, posting to prolong the discussions,

its just to wind them up that take their self too serious.

 

A self-confessed troll?

 

Seems childish to me.

Edited 26 December, 201510 yr by silver1011

Trolling a thread different, have fun,

 be bright be seen, see and be seen, enough light is enough, dip dont dazzle.