Frank and Mabel thought the 1.6 CR diesel wasn't quite as exciting as they'd hoped

whats the point of this ?

I think he is trying to say the 1.6 cr is an uninspiring drive, I would have to agree as we have an A3 on our fleet that is poor!

Exactly my point. As the 2 litre is available for virtually the same price, has almost the same fuel economy but vastly more torque and an extra 50 horsepowers, I can't understand who would buy a 1.6.

Exactly my point. As the 2 litre is available for virtually the same price, has almost the same fuel economy but vastly more torque and an extra 50 horsepowers, I can't understand who would buy a 1.6.

If you value the free road tax then the 1.6CR is the only option available. Free congestion charge could save someone quite a bit of cash also on that engine! Personally I think the 1.6 is perfectly adequate if its usually just a couple of people in the car with no noticeable payload onboard. It also has a slightly lighter front end and offers a crisper turn in on the current model, id expect that advantage to carry across to the new platform. Oh, and its £1000 cheaper!

If you value the free road tax then the 1.6CR is the only option available.

But the 2.0 is only £30 a year, so hardly worth worrying about either.

The difference in purchase price is far more of an issue.

Errr, we don't all buy cars for excitment though! For me safety, running costs, space, comfort all come before how fast the car is on the priority list.

Exactly my point. As the 2 litre is available for virtually the same price, has almost the same fuel economy but vastly more torque and an extra 50 horsepowers, I can't understand who would buy a 1.6.

The difference in purchase price is far more of an issue.

Yes the 2.0 is more powerful but as Dr Zoidberg states the purchase price is more. Given that the bulk (?) of the sales could well be company car drivers the 1.6 will certainly appeal from an emissions and company car tax point of view. Couple that with the purchase price and the BIK is going to be much lower. If I've got time I'll do the sums.

It would be 2% difference on the BIK figure for company car drivers. For a standard rate tax payer that's an extra £15 a month assuming your employer pays for private fuel - not a vast difference.

It's more likely to mean the choice between an Elegance with the 1.6 or SE with the 2.0 if you are working to a fixed budget - toys or POWER!!!

^ Agreed - of which is detailed below:

This assumes 2013-2014 tax year, 20% tax rate payer, BIK for both car and fuel, Elegance trim in both instances, price from Skoda website used as P11d values, emissions data taken from Skoda website:

1.6CR - 99g/km, £21,090

BIK Car: £2952

BIK Fuel: £2954

Tax Liability: £1180

2.0CR - 106g/km, £21,990

BIK Car: £3518

BIK Fuel: £3376

Tax Liability: £1378

£198 per annum difference, £16.50 per month.

Better in my pocket than the tax man's! And that "may" likely push company car drivers towards the 1.6CR, I know my company has bandings based on employment grades and that results in a CO2 restriction.

I recently helped rewrite our company car policy as HR are not what you could call petrol heads, and ours has four bands depending on your job but they all have the same emissions limit of 129. That seems to equate roughly to 50mph combined though the reality will be lower.

Also if you are a higher rate tax payer the difference is twice that mentioned above.

I was comparing an RAV4 to a CR150 octavia and it would be an extra 60 a month.

Ours is slightly different in that there are 5 bands each with increasing monthly lease limits and CO2 limits, lowest band is 120g/km, highest is 180g/km

I was surprisingly honest, and did re-write it to benefit the company rather than me personally.

I suggested a monthly lease limit rather than list price as that stops people picking undesirable vehicles that will depreciate badly but was told that it would make it too hard for employees to pick a car. I can sort of see the point as it could end up with loads of requests bouncing back and forth.

The CO2 levels are the same across all four bands as at the bottom of the range people will be buying smaller cars and at the top end, BMW, Audi and so on all have more modern efficient engines anyway.

We are also going to be going for ISO14001 soon, which this will help with.

I have 1.6CR Superb S and as a comparison I have worked out my lease costs, BIK 40% tax etc for the 20k miles I do annually

There is £60 a year difference between new Octy 1.6CR and 1.2 petrol, with both costing potentially £1600 less per year than my Superb allowing for today's local fuel prices and Skoda stated average fuel consumption as I get near to stated with my Superb

That is a chunk of money so it will be goodbye to Superb at end of lease next year. When I changed to Superb two years ago I saved about £1200pa on similar specced Avensis 2.0diesel

Must admit havnt Costed 2l Octy

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Hi carrock , must say love your family pics , if it was me i would insist your better half take her teeth out before going to sleep , whilst in your A3

Yes. There are circumstances in which I insist she takes her teeth out but best not go into that.

I can't understand who would buy a 1.6.

I changed from a remapped 1.9Tdi Superb Mk2 hatchback to a 1.6Tdi Mk2 Superb Combi. Whilst I miss the flexibility and easygoing 1.9Tdi engine, my 1.6Tdi Combi is more tax and fuel efficient (current actual 65.1mpg against 57.18mpg in the 1.9Tdi).

In addition, the front tyre wear has been significantly lower. I've covered 48,000 miles on the OE Conti's and still have 2-2.5mm of tread depth remaining on the front axle. This compares with 20,000 mile front tyre change intervals for the 1.9Tdi.

If the 1.6Tdi could be remapped, I'd jump at the opportunity! Nonetheless, for high mileage motorway usage, a 1.6Tdi makes sense to company car driver's, such as myself. The Superb Mk2's 60 litre fuel tank also ensures a minimum 750 mile range, with 800-850 possible with a little care! The Octy Mk3 will never achieve this, even with more fuel efficient engines and less body weight.

Edited 2 March, 201313 yr by veloplus

The 1.6 can be mapped to about 135-140hp depending on what yours has original.

Not driven one but the impression I have got is that the 1.6 TDI is not for keen drivers but is rather a "get the job done" motor. Heard a lot of complaints about the economy not passing muster as well but maybe that is people expecting the figures given in the brochure which are hokum anyway

I drove the new 1.6 tdi engine in the new leon a couple of days ago. It's much smoother than the current one and didn't feel slow...I'm not sure if this will transpire into the octy though.

The only way I could afford a diesel New Octavia is by having a basic "S" model which has all the kit Id want anyway. The discussion about the 1.6 seems strange given that it produces the same amount of power and torque as the 1.9Tdi PD which of course was in the old Octavia and Superb.

Not everyone wants a ball of fire. And at the end of the day I buy what I can afford.

With 40 + thou on an Octavia 1.6 TDi DSG, I would say it is a good engine.

BUT

I am mostly solo, and if the Mrs. is present will probably be driving slower anyway.

I got an indicated 63 or 64 MPG on a 120 mile round trip with a three hour mid-way break.

So near enough 60MPG actual

This at just a shade over indicated 60, which translated into a door to door figure of 50 MPH, on a mix of single carriage "A" roads and Motorway.

So

Quit gripeing aboot the poor wee 1.6 diesel

It suits some (or perhaps the silent majority of us ) of us perfectly well

Cheers

M

Ps

An Octy 3 Estate could be tasty

All brands within the VAG mix have already proved that the 1.6 is popular - our company run nearly all VAG cars (with a few BMWs thrown in for good measure) and aside from some of the bigger models the majority are Octavia, A3, Golf and Jetta with the 1.6 engine in.

True, they are never going to win any traffic light drag races but then again on a daily commute the difference between gunning around at 90mph and 70mph is probably less than 2 minutes? Both my colleagues have 1.6 engines in a Passat and a Superb, and both are more than happy with the performance, and emissions!

I drove the new 1.6 tdi engine in the new leon a couple of days ago. It's much smoother than the current one and didn't feel slow...I'm not sure if this will transpire into the octy though.

I am currently using a 1.6 TDI hire Golf and recently had a Leon with the same unit. this is a really smooth and economical power unit for everyday use and has plenty poke for "normal" driving.