Hmmm, this doesnt sound good! So what causes the excessive oil use ?

Nobody knows, including VAG it seems!

If I new that I would be an engineer at VAG, think it is something to do with the way the petrol is injected under high pressur as a v.fine vapour stripping the oil from the bores but I could be talking out of my harris.

haha! Okay, hmm may just go the complete opposite end of the scale and get a 110 defender but I'm going for a test drive next so will see how im feeling after that

The 110 is another story totally. I recently sold mine.

Have fun trying it then ask away..

http://www.difflock.com

george

If I new that I would be an engineer at VAG, think it is something to do with the way the petrol is injected under high pressur as a v.fine vapour stripping the oil from the bores but I could be talking out of my harris.

Sorry, you wouldn't be a VAG engineer as they don't seem to know what the issue is, or if they do, how to solve whatever the issue is

I'm still wondering how widespread engine failures are as a percentage over vrs's sold.

I'm still wondering how widespread engine failures are as a percentage over vrs's sold. Is the issue really that widespread? Remember most users don't go on problems so we don't get a balanced argument

*double post!*

Edited 5 March, 201313 yr by grapo

I'm still wondering how widespread engine failures are as a percentage over vrs's sold.

I did a poll a while back, and it figured about 30% have some oil usage issues.. BUT thats 30% of people who have come to the forum, quite alot comming here BECAUSE of issues, so my guess is about 10%

(absolutley NO science was used to comew up with thses figures! lol)

I'm still wondering how widespread engine failures are as a percentage over vrs's sold. Is the issue really that widespread? Remember most users don't go on problems so we don't get a balanced argument

*double post!*

True but a couple of the new engine transplant peeps are regular contributers on here and where long before the mk2 was produced.

Has the oil burning issus had anything to do with how the car was run in?

Has the oil burning issus had anything to do with how the car was run in?

most (but not all ) that are run in by driving "normally" seem to be better than those that have been babyed...... when my new one arrives, I will be driving it normally from day 1 (that includes full throttle, or full revs, if needed or wanted at the time) thats how I always run them in ... my last 3 cars fabia I vRS, no oil top up at all, fiat grande punto sporting 0-110,000 miles (mapped at 4k) no oil usage at all... this one fabia II vRS, 0-10k 1 litre, 10k - 46k not one drop

this is subjesctive thoughts by the things I read on here, again, no scientists were used to provide these thoughts

I tried to work out using the DVLA info on registered /taxed/Sorn cars, Cupra, vRS, GTi, A1 '1.4 tsi S-A' actually in the UK.

Made no sense of it really.

There were almost as many A1 (185 BHP) in trade or for sale as registered.

http://www.howmanyleft.co.uk

BBC Watchdog might get the answers soon hopefully or one of the Motoring Magazines.

It must be due to become a bigger issue as the First Cupras are out of warranty and the vRS will be from august.

george

Went for a test drive in one on saturday,so just about to pull the pin.But this oil burning is a bit of a worry.

True but a couple of the new engine transplant peeps are regular contributers on here and where long before the mk2 was produced.

What's that got to do with anything?

Great car for the money, v quick and the engine and gearbox are a peach. For me the handling and brakes werent up to scratch for something that went like a hot hatch, steering is too light with no feel, suspension a bit roly poly and mixed with being quite narrow didnt ever find it v reassuring to drive fast. To make it drive well you really need to go to the trouble of lowering the suspension, adding a rear anti roll bar and install MK4 Golf GTi 1.8T (312mm) front brakes but the improvements it will make to the drive will mean more compromises day to day. I didnt want to invalidate the warranty so didnt bother with any of this.

Also be very aware that a number of these cars have suffered misfiring and oil use problems; some cars having to have replacement engines. Mine had a misfire problem until a few months before it sold and it didnt have an oil problem but still used a litre every 4k which in my book was still a poor show. Also the fuel economy was no better really than a 2.0 TSi Octavia (32-33 average over 11k).

I got bored with it in the end, great fun in a straight line but as soon as the road got challenging i never felt it competent enough to really give it 110% and I consider myself a keen and relatively experienced driver.

Honesty if i was in the market for a twincharged VAG hot hatch now id without doubt now go for a nearly new Polo GTi instead, its the more competent car. For your budget however the Ibiza or Fabia are probably the only options though I think you'll struggle to find a 61 or 12 plate car; my old 11 plate estate with 11k miles went up for 12.8 so would have easily sold for well over 12k

Edited 5 March, 201313 yr by pipsyp

Yeah the oil use and misfires have got me concerned , if i was to get one from a dealer with a extended warranty, how soon would these problems reveal them self?

I've said before that bang for buck new you can't beat it. But when people start saying it needs bigger brakes or better suspension, etc I don't get it. You put on all these extras on and it wouldn't be a 15k car anymore and warranty would be at risk. Plus if the car had them on from new this car wouldn't be 15k or even 18k. Skoda have to build a car to cover quite a few bases to sell more. If you are the type to do all this then buy something better for the job in the first place.

Today was the first day in a while that the temperature has been in double figures. Drove home on the usual B road with no traffic and it was fantastic. Tyre pressures were spot on and up to temp, plenty of grip and it's a road I drive every week at 5/10ths or less. Today driving it at ten tenths and at points probably a bit more was great and because I know the road very well I could go for it. Recently I'll admit Ive been getting a bit down with it. Oil worries, not being able to use it properly because of traffic and weather and driving a GT86 didn't help either. But once you push it really hard it's much more exciting and it's really fun. It seems to want you to kick it's head in.

The only thing that may sway you either way is the gearbox. DSG makes the performance accessible more of the time.

I've said before that bang for buck new you can't beat it. But when people start saying it needs bigger brakes or better suspension, etc I don't get it. You put on all these extras on and it wouldn't be a 15k car anymore and warranty would be at risk. Plus if the car had them on from new this car wouldn't be 15k or even 18k. Skoda have to build a car to cover quite a few bases to sell more. If you are the type to do all this then buy something better for the job in the first place.

Today was the first day in a while that the temperature has been in double figures. Drove home on the usual B road with no traffic and it was fantastic. Tyre pressures were spot on and up to temp, plenty of grip and it's a road I drive every week at 5/10ths or less. Today driving it at ten tenths and at points probably a bit more was great and because I know the road very well I could go for it. Recently I'll admit Ive been getting a bit down with it. Oil worries, not being able to use it properly because of traffic and weather and driving a GT86 didn't help either. But once you push it really hard it's much more exciting and it's really fun. It seems to want you to kick it's head in.

I kick the head in of mine every day, and its fine and dandy I will do the same to the new one... it should arrive just before the april castle combe day... will I run a new car on the track? yeah....

Bezzard,

I have driven a Polo Gti, it is not a more involved drive than a vRS or a Ibiza but thats just my opinion.

Sorry, but there is no rhyme or reason to which Twincharger engines turn out to be trouble free.

My car is hammered regularly and its good.

Hardly ever booted untill its covered 6 miles and the oil is above 50*C, preffer that its at 80C minimum..

Odd occasion tho and needs must, but i try not too make a habit.

I have driven and looked at several vRS, not are all the same by any manner.

george

What's that got to do with anything?

In response to the comment that people only join a forum to research/ complain about an issue? :think: If the problem wasn't widespread I wouldn't expect to know (as in met at meets years ago) people with the issue so extreme as to be requiring new engines. Anyway pay your money and take your chance.

Bezzard,

I have driven a Polo Gti, it is not a more involved drive than a vRS or a Ibiza but thats just my opinion.

Sorry, but there is no rhyme or reason to which Twincharger engines turn out to be trouble free.

My car is hammered regularly and its good.

I have driven and looked at several vRS, not are all the same by any manner.

george

Only like the VRS outta all 3 of them, seat looks make me ill, and polo gti is just driving round stating to world u cant afford a golf gti! Do the seats and vw have same oil problem?

The GTi and Cupra are based on the new Polo, the vRS isnt. IMO the old Polo genetics show pretty clearly in the way the vRS drives.

Ive never been much of a fan of the Cupra, exterior looks really awkward from most angles and the interior is horrible. GTi is massively overpriced new but makes sense used; probably the best for residual value. I also think the Polo GTi in certain respects is as good if not better looking than the Golf GTi in the right colour with the later Monza Shadow wheels. I'd not be embarrased to own one; in fact id applaud anyone saving themselves 10k or so by buying one over a Golf as its just as quick

Have you driven these other models?

Brezzard,

Yes, some of the Engines are faulty across all the cars.

the GTi & A1 (182 bhp) had wider tyres as standard and feel a little different, lower road tax and emissions strangely..215/40/17 , vRS is the same as the current Monte with 205/40/17

The vRS hatch has 25kg weight added to the rear passenger side crash bar to make it heavier than the Estate by 5 KG, and was shown as heavier than the Polo, but not anymore with the correct Kerb Weights being shown.

In 2012 SEAT changed to a 150BHP engine & stopped building the 178 bhp, and now its the New Ibiza 178 bhp coming out.

george

I kick the head in of mine every day, and its fine and dandy I will do the same to the new one... it should arrive just before the april castle combe day... will I run a new car on the track? yeah....

I would do it more often I just don't have the opportunity to being mainly being stuck in traffic. Hopefully that will change soon

I would do it more often I just don't have the opportunity to being mainly being stuck in traffic. Hopefully that will change soon

you're commute is a bit different than mine... mine is A-road twisties to start, A-raod, fast to finsh .... and vosa versa... no stop start ect (which is why my MPG is so much better) ... on the way home the last blast on the twisties is always fun

I wouldn't like the slow stop start you have to endure... although I KNOW you can enjoy it in the right ciscumstanses

I think how you run a car in is crucial and I was agree with sharky that you need to give the car a bit of sympathetic stick to hone the bores from day one. I would imagine as said that most of the early cars have been rectified now under warranty now anyway. As said VAG are going to play safe in the future and this engine will be replaced I have read by a 1.6 turbo engine with about 200 bhp. I would imagine that this would have some lag compared to the twin which has an amazingly wide powerband. Anyone who says that even the best turbo only cars are completely lag free are wrong. You always get a smidge of delay. Anyway if you buy a used one ask to see all the invoices and dockets from the dealer as an owner who gives a damn will keep history. As said by others the engine and box are lovely although I was disappointed by the handling.

I do know that Skoda will do a lowered suspension for you if you ask to sharpen this up a bit but I don't know how much this option is :/