Wow the filter here well for the tsi is under £10

My opinion: DO NOT CHANGE YOUR OIL until it has done 10,000 miles/1year at least.

If you do, it will delay or even stop your engine running in properly and you will not acheive maximum economy until much later/never. Running in period requires some abrasive to be present in the oil - to do the running in.....

After the first oil change (post running in period - 10,000 miles) then changing oil more regularly is ok and up to you - but usually just a waste of money unless you have a weird/unusual driving cycle (high dust, high stop/start....)

My opinion: DO NOT CHANGE YOUR OIL until it has done 10,000 miles/1year at least.

If you do, it will delay or even stop your engine running in properly and you will not acheive maximum economy until much later/never. Running in period requires some abrasive to be present in the oil - to do the running in.....

Very interesting. I've just completed the first 1000 miles on my replacement engine, which I've run in quite hard. I was considering an early oil change having spoken to an engine builder who still takes the old school view. Searching the internet on the relative merits or demerits of an early oil change does not bring conclusive evidence one way or the other.

Is there any proof that it is better to leave the oil (with all the abrasive particles and contaminants it has collected) in the engine for 10,000 miles in order to aid the running in process?

No proof anyplace. Load of rubbish IMHO.

Stupid idea really,

the engine will run in nicely with fresh lubrication or even fresher changed and checked,

not a requirement for it needing abrasive scouring agents in the lubrication.

(different days now from doing rebores, new cranks, bearing,shells, rings etc, grinding, porting, blueprinting etc.

then the oil got changed after a few hundred miles to be sure any cr4p there was out and not doing damage, to that nice rebuild.)

If you are keeping a car, change the oil as often as you want.

You know best how your engine gets used.

Probably wasting money changing oil too often, but it is a harmless vice. not like some that wastes money.

If you are handing it back after 3 years why bother. (unless you love cars and think about the next owner)

Stick to the manufacturers service advice.

On a Twincharger that uses 5 litres of topping up for 10,000 miles and started off with 3.6 litres in, why do an oil change and put fresh oil in after a year.??

Drain/strain the oil and put in a new filter, replace the oil and continue.

Or get it fixed under warranty, get a good engine built properly in a modern factory with 'good' parts that last several hundred thousand miles

and then run quality oil for the time that that oil stays good for the type of use the car gets..

george

Old Skool/Stylee and mineral oil as the subject,

but things never change that much.

If you have an engine that requires frequent oil top ups that always means in my experience that the oil will also get dirty quickly after a change ....a better word than "dirty" is perhaps "contaminated".

So you have to ask yourself,if I add a half litre of fresh clean oil to the contaminated oil in the sump will the new oil cleanse the old,or will the old quickly contaminate the new?

I would think the latter....so therefore I don't believe that frequent top-ups in any way give an excuse for extending oil change intervals.

You are totally correct and i was not being serious.

A gubbed engine is a gubbed engine.

An oil burner is just a liability delaying failure.

Then there are Land Rovers that just do self oil changes by returning oil to the ground and you just keep refilling them.

george

The old Jag engines (3.4,3.8,4.2,etc) used to use copious amounts of oil,that was how they were.

We used to buy Duckhams Q20/50 cheaply in cases of 12 quart cans,8 went in the engine as the oil change and the other 4 (= one gallon) were used to top up,then another case was bought and the cycle,which represented about 3000/4000 miles only,was repeated.

I think the oil cost about £3 for the case.

Happy days!!!