In Scotland there are pretty much only 2 lane motorways, i will travel up to the national speed limit in which ever lane i am in, if the way ahead is clear and its safe to do so.

In Glasgow you can be in one of 6 lanes at some point and be travelling faster than vehicles to the lanes right and left of you.

As said in a previous post, you can be in an area of 6 lanes and there are still vehicles entering or leaving to the right and left of you.

Different vehicles can be on a different route and have a lower maximum speed limit than you in the inside of them and anticipating your lanes heading off in a totally different direction.

If you are in the 3 rd lane from the nearside, the next lane to your right, is about to become the inside lane of the M8 going East to Edinburgh.

ie

3 lanes about to head North and become 2 lanes a 3 lanes going East.

george

In fact, there's one point where Westbound through Glasgow on the M8 the inside lane of 3 suddenly becomes the middle lane of FIVE, another where the inside and outside of 4 turn into sliproads going off left and right of you, and I think 1 point just South of the Kamikaze where you now have no less than 7 lanes and 3 hard shoulders each way!

The merge from the right that annoys me most is climbing out of Glasgow on a A77 going to the M77.

Lanes coming in from the left and then going off to Newton Mearns,

you pick your speed which is 60 mph possibly and you go up the hill.

Possibly no need for lane 2 or 3,

The 'smart ones' or those that have stayed for the past few miles in the outside lane are still there at what ever speed they choose, slow, or deciding to start to try and go passed all the lesser people in an inside lane.

lots of warning that they have to merge because their lane is away to disapear,

but they seem to think that those inside should be reducing the speed from 60 mph to let them in with only meters to go.

Safe and considerate drivers might well let them in, or actually you are left with no choice but to slow and let them in,

but sometimes you just want to get 'up the hill' and on passed the next junctions.

george

Keep left unless you are overtaking, whether on a motorway or dual carriageway then the undertaking / overtaking problem goes away.

the road in the post is 20 miles east west, west east.

if you are in a car and doing 65-70 mph you basically are overtaking the vehicles in the inside lane that are limited by the national speed limit, (some HGV's) going slower by choice or entering or leaving the motorway.

if you travel the route regularly you see the same undertakers regularly, and then towards the city at either end you see that they got on no faster while raising many other road users blood pressure.

If not Undertaking, many are Tailgating each and every vehicle they come behind the whole 20 miles,

many just let them passed if they can get a space into the possibly slower traffic on the inside, then get back into the outer lane,

as obviously the traffic is all going much the same for the 20 odd miles, its just there are no merging vehicles while in the outside lane other than those trying to keep up the pace..

george

In Scotland there are pretty much only 2 lane motorways, i will travel up to the national speed limit in which ever lane i am in, if the way ahead is clear and its safe to do so.

In Glasgow you can be in one of 6 lanes at some point and be travelling faster than vehicles to the lanes right and left of you.

As said in a previous post, you can be in an area of 6 lanes and there are still vehicles entering or leaving to the right and left of you.

Different vehicles can be on a different route and have a lower maximum speed limit than you in the inside of them and anticipating your lanes heading off in a totally different direction.

If you are in the 3 rd lane from the nearside, the next lane to your right, is about to become the inside lane of the M8 going East to Edinburgh.

ie

3 lanes about to head North and become 2 lanes a 3 lanes going East.

george

And of course we have our favourite point were the on ramp enters the motorway in the fast (right hand lane) lane

Edited 25 April, 201313 yr by slider

I like undertaking middle lane hoggers!

But how can you be a middle lane hogger on a motorway with only 2 lanes?.

If I want to go a 70 but am stuck behinds someone in the out side lane doing 60 I am not the hogger and have little choice in the matter, except of course settle to doing 60 in the inside lane and stop any opportunity for undertaking.

I'll flash and if they dont move i'll undertake. done give a single **** if its illegal its more dangerous to stick behind someone who doesn't know the rules of the road if you ask me.

I'll flash and if they dont move i'll undertake. done give a single **** if its illegal its more dangerous to stick behind someone who doesn't know the rules of the road if you ask me.

theres always the hard shoulder if all the lanes are blocked by cretin's in vectras and mundanos..

I think the middle lane syndrome is getting worse, there seems to be more and more getting it,

It really really fecks me off

i know he's got a Northern accent but this makes my day every time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5dL4DPm-DE

if you've never seen it before, your welcome.

theres always the hard shoulder if all the lanes are blocked by cretin's in vectras and mundanos..

Yup! so true. hard shoulder saves you bags of time in a traffic jam.

Undertaken in this country IS Not legal.

The Highway Code clearly states that under taking is illegal except in slow moving traffic/queuing traffic when the right hand lane is moving slower.

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Undertaken in this country IS Not legal.

The Highway Code clearly states that under taking is illegal except in slow moving traffic/queuing traffic when the right hand lane is moving slower.

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Ah, but a code and the law is not always the same thing.

However by not abiding to any code you are by definition not carrying out "best practice" and this make procecution more likely

Shoot me down, but if I'm doing 75mph on the motorway on the inside lane, and I come across a middle lane hogger I will undertake. It's safer than going across three lanes and back again.

Undertaken in this country IS Not legal.

The Highway Code clearly states that under taking is illegal except in slow moving traffic/queuing traffic when the right hand lane is moving slower.

However, it omits to define a minimum length for "a queue" or what is meant by "slow moving". A queue can consist of as few as 1 or 2 items that are waiting for an event. Personally, unless it's snowy or icey, I'll probably cruise motorways at 70mph, so someone doing 60 is "slow moving" in a relative sense.

As a Cardington approved DAS instructor, ex IAM Observer, tought by a gentleman who has a RoSPA Diploma I can't believe some of the replies to this topic.

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As a Cardington approved DAS instructor, ex IAM Observer, tought by a gentleman who has a RoSPA Diploma I can't believe some of the replies to this topic.

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Shoot me down, but if I'm doing 75mph on the motorway on the inside lane, and I come across a middle lane hogger I will undertake. It's safer than going across three lanes and back again.

Bang

Technically, undertaking is illegal over here as well. But on a case by case basis. If you throw your car into the other lane and slam the accelerator, then they'll stop you. If you gently slide past, or undertake in an otherwise safe manner they don't care. Basically, they operate under the "no victim, no crime principle". If the manoeuvre isn't dangerous and you don't disturb the traffic flow, you're good.

I had to go to Leicester once for my job. While traveling down the motorway from Scotland, round about the area the motorway goes to 3 lanes a came across a Toyota previa in the middle lane. The hanker driving it stayed there all the way to Leicester. What made it worse was, every service station I stopped at he stopped, when left he left.

I had to drive in the UK the other week To do so embarrasses me to be from the UK. But I do heavily slate the standard of driving in UK specifically on motorways as being one of the worst in the developed world. That said no formal instructional training is given or required of someone obtaining a driving licence in the UK, which is absolutely stupid. Other countries manage to for the majority drive appropriately and efficiently with regards to lane discipline. The UK

The basic illustration of a middle lane hogger

GPS speed on camera is less than accurate in case anyone wants to mention it, it shows you doing 1-3kph when stationary at times lol. I was in a LHD car sat on cruise control.

As a Cardington approved DAS instructor, ex IAM Observer, tought by a gentleman who has a RoSPA Diploma I can't believe some of the replies to this topic.

I'm surprised with those qualifications and the replies in this thread, you still think that undertaking in this country is illegal.

Chris

That said no formal instructional training is given or required of someone obtaining a driving licence in the UK, which is absolutely stupid.

I suppose the counter argument to this is that dual carriageway driving is (should be?!) covered by the driving test and so high-speed joining, lane discipline and overtaking should be instilled. I think one of the problems is that people identify lanes on the motorway by speed, ie "I don't want to be in the slow lane" rather than by number and I've even heard instructors on these be a better driver style programmes who really should know better referring to them as such.

BTW, nice overtake

Chris

Edited 27 April, 201313 yr by ScoobyChris

I suppose the counter argument to this is that dual carriageway driving is (should be?!) covered by the driving test and so high-speed joining, lane discipline and overtaking should be instilled. I think one of the problems is that people identify lanes on the motorway by speed, ie "I don't want to be in the slow lane" rather than by number and I've even heard instructors on these be a better driver style programmes who really should know better referring to them as such.

BTW, nice overtake

Chris

I was on dual carriageway on my driving test at 70 mph in England. It was used on test route as was a city centre but they seem to shy away from it being a requirement when some areas would not have the types of road available, within range of test centres etc. Driving standards in UK overall are dead on, it's just multi lane carriageways that grip my excrement. Aside from the fact there is no real formal introduction to motorway driving, many do seem to know where they are meant to be. On a quiet stretch of motorway like in the vid above he was in the minority most were sticking to lane 1 unless overtaking, maybe 20% just sitting in lane 2. So the same people that had come off the M25 with me who showed absolutely no lane discipline knew where they should have been all along.

What I would like to see is such a basic thing, leave testing as it is but for government to force insurance companies to recognise and adjust premium appropriately for people who have been responsible enough to undertake further driver training with the likes of ROSPA and IAM (IAM needs to man up with retesting policy still) To make it worth while for people to do it would at the very least educate them further and increase their level of experience. But I would like to see an expiry/retest requirement not the IAM be good pass a non graded test and never need to be assessed again. I do not expect dirt cheap insurance but a incentive to make it worth while, it could easily be offset by increased premiums for not having some form of advanced driving qualification. Pass Plus was a great idea but was a total failure tbh should have made more of a difference and should have been mandatory.