Just a thought, oldstan, do you tend to use supermarket petrol a lot? I've found in the past that running a couple of tanks of the higher RON petrol from Shell or BP can help.

Just a thought, oldstan, do you tend to use supermarket petrol a lot? I've found in the past that running a couple of tanks of the higher RON petrol from Shell or BP can help.

I can answer that with some confidence as I have a Shell filling station on my doorstep and use it every time.

Interesting to read this topic - have been driving a Honda HRV with wonderful CVT for 11 years and have been struggling to get the Yeti 1.2 DSG going as I would wish - so very different to feel the gears changing up & down - and have the delay when you want to go, go, go at a junction to get into traffic etc. - gradually getting used to it - not really complaining - just finding it far more different than I was expecting. Haven't had the judder thank goodness !

Feel I have to admit to putting it into Sport Mode at one or two very tricky junctions - as the visitors start to arrive down here in West Cornwall driving style has to change a bit !

Rather concerned to read about it "learning" your driving style as my husband has been driving her quite a lot and he's a very different driver - how does it cope with that ? - I'd hate Hetty to get confused

Rather concerned to read about it "learning" your driving style as my husband has been driving her quite a lot and he's a very different driver - how does it cope with that ? - I'd hate Hetty to get confused

It doesn't "learn your driving style" but rather, adapts to how you are driving. There is a BIG difference. The controller is constantly taking data from throttle, brakes, steering angle (including rate of change measurements) to determine how you are driving at any particular moment. It adapts the gear change pattern accordingly, changing patterns many times per minute if necessary.

If the system did learn how you drive and stop there, it would be a disaster - for exactly the scenario that you describe. Even with a single driver then to assume that every driver has a single style just wouldn't work. My car spends a lot of time on a gentle urban stop/start commute, weekends often see a long motorway/A road cruise. I frequently have an S mode A/ B Road blast. The gearbox adapts almost instantly to my changing style.

I have found 3 bugs in the 7 speed DSG system

1. The delay in taking up the drive for rapid take-off at junctions. I don't notice this any more. I think that I anticipate the gap and start going for the throttle a little earlier than I would before.
   
2. When moving off gently up a steep hill (example my drive - see avatar!) if you have insufficient throttle the gearbox "gives up", opens the clutch and leaves you to roll back down the hill. Until I learnt this bug I would hit the throttle causing it to set off like a scalded cat. I now recognise when it is about to occur, apply the footbrake and try again with a little more throttle.
   
3. In slow moving traffic in D mode it selects 2nd gear way too early. 1st gear is VERY low - even if you move off on the flat with no throttle it selects 2nd before you have covered a car length. It then slips the clutch until the road-speed increases. I get around this by selecting tiptronic to move off from stop and put it back to D when I am ready for 2nd.
   My guess is that the OP's original judder problem occurs during this phase. Resetting the gearbox memory may help for a while by changing 1 to 2 a little later, but it will come back because the problem is in the clutch for gears 2,4 & 6.
   
4. There are 4 bugs
   In tiptronic mode, if you are a little late changing down, the gearbox does it for you. BUT if you are slowing to blend into a roundabout and you are a little late changing 3 to 2 the gearbox does it for you so if you are already in the process of changing you get 1st, and being so low the sudden engine braking can be quite alarming.
   
5. There are 5, just 5 bugs (no one expects the Spanish Inquisition.... sorry...)
   The selector in tiptronic mode seems to be the wrong way round. It seems intuitive to me to pull the lever back to change up and forward to change down. I don't really know why that is. Could be from riding a motorcycle where you pull the lever up for upchanges - ie towards you. Maybe because under acceleration you are forced back and under braking you are forced forward so moving the lever this way would seem more natural because you are moving with the flow.
   Or maybe it is just me!
   

Do they have the same "Trading Standards" as we do in Istanbul?

Hello,

I do not know exactly what you mean by "trading standarts" but its probably like something we called "customer rights" and we have, I did not paid a penny for the update, and if the problem occurs, they will change the part for free within the warrany period (even after my warrany expires, as this is a known problem about these cars they will charge only 20% of the parts and labour, which will cost around 150 pounds, which is ok by me)

so, basically, its all good here in terms of customer satisfaciton

Edited 9 May, 201313 yr by jester911

The selector in tiptronic mode seems to be the wrong way round. It seems intuitive to me to pull the lever back to change up and forward to change down. I don't really know why that is. Could be from riding a motorcycle where you pull the lever up for upchanges - ie towards you. Maybe because under acceleration you are forced back and under braking you are forced forward so moving the lever this way would seem more natural because you are moving with the flow.

Or maybe it is just me!

No it is not just you. I've moaned about this before but most manufacturers have the plus and minus the wrong way around alas. As you say the momentum is completely the wrong way around as it is set up now.

No it is not just you. I've moaned about this before but most manufacturers have the plus and minus the wrong way around alas. As you say the momentum is completely the wrong way around as it is set up now.

Agreed.

I think it is arse about face too.

It doesn't "learn your driving style" but rather, adapts to how you are driving. There is a BIG difference. The controller is constantly taking data from throttle, brakes, steering angle (including rate of change measurements) to determine how you are driving at any particular moment. It adapts the gear change pattern accordingly, changing patterns many times per minute if necessary.

If the system did learn how you drive and stop there, it would be a disaster - for exactly the scenario that you describe. Even with a single driver then to assume that every driver has a single style just wouldn't work. My car spends a lot of time on a gentle urban stop/start commute, weekends often see a long motorway/A road cruise. I frequently have an S mode A/ B Road blast. The gearbox adapts almost instantly to my changing style.

I have found 3 bugs in the 7 speed DSG system

1. The delay in taking up the drive for rapid take-off at junctions. I don't notice this any more. I think that I anticipate the gap and start going for the throttle a little earlier than I would before.
   
2. When moving off gently up a steep hill (example my drive - see avatar!) if you have insufficient throttle the gearbox "gives up", opens the clutch and leaves you to roll back down the hill. Until I learnt this bug I would hit the throttle causing it to set off like a scalded cat. I now recognise when it is about to occur, apply the footbrake and try again with a little more throttle.
   
3. In slow moving traffic in D mode it selects 2nd gear way too early. 1st gear is VERY low - even if you move off on the flat with no throttle it selects 2nd before you have covered a car length. It then slips the clutch until the road-speed increases. I get around this by selecting tiptronic to move off from stop and put it back to D when I am ready for 2nd.
   My guess is that the OP's original judder problem occurs during this phase. Resetting the gearbox memory may help for a while by changing 1 to 2 a little later, but it will come back because the problem is in the clutch for gears 2,4 & 6.
   
4. There are 4 bugs
   In tiptronic mode, if you are a little late changing down, the gearbox does it for you. BUT if you are slowing to blend into a roundabout and you are a little late changing 3 to 2 the gearbox does it for you so if you are already in the process of changing you get 1st, and being so low the sudden engine braking can be quite alarming.
   
5. There are 5, just 5 bugs (no one expects the Spanish Inquisition.... sorry...)
   The selector in tiptronic mode seems to be the wrong way round. It seems intuitive to me to pull the lever back to change up and forward to change down. I don't really know why that is. Could be from riding a motorcycle where you pull the lever up for upchanges - ie towards you. Maybe because under acceleration you are forced back and under braking you are forced forward so moving the lever this way would seem more natural because you are moving with the flow.
   Or maybe it is just me!
   

Regarding point 1, it seems that the gearbox has been updated, because there isn't any particular delay in my late 2012 Yeti 1.2 DSG, although perranlady's is newer still. Then again, I have been driving DSG's for 5 years now. What I do notice is that in the petrol 1.2 any apparent delay seems more to do with when the brake pedal is released rather than when the accelerator is pressed, and I am aware that when waiting at a roundabout, I come off the brake early and go back on to it if necessary. Acceleration is then just about immediate when required.

I haven't come across points 2 or 3 in my Yeti. It's quite happy trickling from 1-2 in slow moving traffic, most of the time never even requiring the accelerator to be touched.

I personally never had a problem with the way round to select gears using the lever, pushing forwards to go up a gear seems natural to me, and backwards to go down a gear.

Personally I use the flappy paddles rather than the lever.

With regards moving off, as above take foot off brake in anticipation. The apply as much throttle as required. Or if necessary, the brake. The car will have moved forwards a few cm.

Bug no. 6....very rarely, the clutches disengage and you end up with no drive. Happened today for the first time in a very long time. 3rd gear and coasting. It felt like it took ages to re-engage, but in reality was probably about 2-4 seconds. Seems to always happen when going round a corner and changing down. I was in tiptronic, but didn't change down, but the box did it on its own. As a general rule I will never change down whilst going round a corner, but the 'box will sometimes.

Note this is the wet clutch 6 speed box. Putting it back into D normally sorts it but so does waiting, but takes a little longer. Dealer has replicated it but never managed to get to the bottom of it.

A TapaTalk enabled phone was used to write this...

I've had the dsg box in three cars my current yeti a scirocco and an R in both the vdubs it was perfect in my yeti whilst I love it and have ordered it again in my new one I find that it seems very undecided at around 40-45 as to which gear it wants it sometimes is very slow to kick down if not in sport and has jumped forward on start up. Does this gear box work better with higher powered petrol engines? I also believe no matter what anyone says petrol from a supermarket is no where near as good as Shell or BP

Having had the 'learning' aspect raised as a possible cause I can perhaps see that by driving gently it wants to change in to 2nd earlier than a box which has been driven hard which wants to hang on to gears longer? Still can't really see why it judders though. As we all know clutches are designed to slip - and some do judder - but there's usually a reason for the judder....sometimes misalignment or oil on the surfaces maybe? However the dealer has very openly and readily agreed to take the car in without delay and get it sorted so, as noted earlier, it's not the end of the world and I'm sure it'll get sorted.

And, having raised this, clutch related, point I would like to recall an earlier topic - that of warranties - insofar as the provider of warranties are well known to exclude certain 'replaceable' part such as exhausts and brakes - AND clutches. If we're talking about possible clutch replacement here (remember I said they might fit a new clutch pack if the adaption doesn't work) then how does that sit with an extended warranty after the first three years and the provider looking at a claim for a new clutch pack and saying "Sorry sir, clutches are not covered". It would be the DSG, and it's associated components, (ie. clutch) that would be the main reason I might want to buy peace of mind by taking out an extended warranty. Clearly the dealer isn't suggesting that the exclusion clause is to be invoked now - and I'm sure it won't....I was just wondering how an insurance based cover provider might see it.

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My own thoughts on this:

The clutch pack in a DSG is probably considered in a different light to that in a manual transmission system. The latter, could be subject to poor driving techniques (e.g. Excessive slipping and/or riding of the clutch. "dumping" the clutch for fast getaways etc. etc). The DSG however has it's clutch pack as part of a complex and electronically controlled system not subject in the same way to poor "pilotage" lol.

Warranty claims therefore should be honoured unless obvious misuse is evident. What do you guys think?

Edited 12 May, 201313 yr by larryblag

Could be from riding a motorcycle where you pull the lever up for upchanges - ie towards you.

Actually most race bikes are set up the other way round ie you tap down to shift up. The reason is simple ground clearance: tapping down means you do not need to get your toe under the changer while scraping the pegs. (You're extremely unlikely to be wanting to downshift while you have a lot of lean on: that way lies unhappiness...) The guys who ride them seem to cope pretty well with it most of the time - at any rate, they go a damn sight faster than I ever will!

Regarding point 1, it seems that the gearbox has been updated, because there isn't any particular delay in my late 2012 Yeti 1.2 DSG, although perranlady's is newer still. Then again, I have been driving DSG's for 5 years now. What I do notice is that in the petrol 1.2 any apparent delay seems more to do with when the brake pedal is released rather than when the accelerator is pressed, and I am aware that when waiting at a roundabout, I come off the brake early and go back on to it if necessary. Acceleration is then just about immediate when required.

Agree 100% with this - you need to give it a moment for the clutch to engage drive before trying to accelerate away - in fact, going for too much throttle too early is likely to result in a lurch or over-enthusiastic get-away (OK if that's what you want ).

I also salute you in your use of 'point' rather than 'bug' - the pedant in me says that a bug is failure to operate according to design - these are just design points that may or may not suit an individual's style.