that's what im talking and willing to chuck 10k at it

Boss Fox has given you the info you need, they seem to European autocross cars.

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Right.

I'm locking this for now. I'll be home in a bit. I'll edit out all the twaddle. You've had your fun for today. So when it's reopened lets keep it civil and only post if its something useful.

wow.

All twaddle removed, seriously now, unless you have anything? relevant/useful to say on the matter of converting a fabia too 4WD, don't bother posting.

I really mean that too

that's what im talking and willing to chuck 10k at it

I would expect 10k to cover the parts you need mixed between Czech Republic and a donor car like an Audi TT quattro from the salvage auction.

That will still leave a lot of fabrication and geometry work to do, which will eat up a lot of time.

That is also pretty much only for the 4x4 conversion.

So if your car is fairly stock (at 220bhp it's not very tuned) you could easilly do the same again on brakes, Darkside turbo/ engine work, suspension, odds and ends...

So to do it right is going to cost a lot.

Plus it'll still end up as a heavy old barge.

I'd guess around 1450kg, which with a 1.9 TDi pushing 300bhp is only 206bhp per tonne.

Your 220bhp 1300kg Fabia is already making 170bhp per tonne.

So you could potentially be looking at spending 20k plus a lot of time and effort to make an old model car that's been out of production for six years a bit quicker, but noticably heavier.

I've tried to be as constructive as possible, but would advise against it.

By the way, the Czech firms do have people that speak English.

But it's far, far better to email as written english is easier for them, they can double check what you mean.

You do need to write clearly.

Keep us posted...

its got 312mm discs on the way with Porsche callipers its got a milltec turbo back zaust uprated intercooler and a set of adjustable coilovers egr delete and that's it at the moment for what I can see ive only had it just over a week I bought it from Ireland met the previous owner in Liverpool off the ferry

It's not that modified really, just standard stuff.

To make it go, stop and handle well with 300bhp and the extra weight of the 4x4 system you'll need to upgrade just about evertything.

I really wouldn't expect any change out of 10k before you start thinking about 4x4.

Fair play if you can do it cheaper, but you need to have that figure in mind.

Otherwise you'll get cheesed off when it starts sucking up more and more £££ and time.

I spent somewhere in the region of £14k on my mk1 Fabia VRS, I was expecting £8k. Still Front Wheel Drive.

But if you are going to do a job properly you need the best brakes, suspension, LSD, clutch etc... for the job.

Not to mention having it looked at by a company with motorsport experience to make sure it can go round corners...

Cutting corners will not make it very quick IMO if you add the weight of the 4x4 conversion in.

You'll be in danger of a making a heavy car that doesn't perform as well as you are expecting.

312 discs just arent going to cut it

D2 do 6 or 8 pot 330mm kits for £1000-1200 thats what you want up front, on the rear 256mm at a bare minimum

312 discs just arent going to cut it

D2 do 6 or 8 pot 330mm kits for £1000-1200 thats what you want up front, on the rear 256mm at a bare minimum

will they fit under 17's? if so where can I get them and also where can I get the rears?

It's not that modified really, just standard stuff.

To make it go, stop and handle well with 300bhp and the extra weight of the 4x4 system you'll need to upgrade just about evertything.

I really wouldn't expect any change out of 10k before you start thinking about 4x4.

Fair play if you can do it cheaper, but you need to have that figure in mind.

Otherwise you'll get cheesed off when it starts sucking up more and more £££ and time.

I spent somewhere in the region of £14k on my mk1 Fabia VRS, I was expecting £8k. Still Front Wheel Drive.

But if you are going to do a job properly you need the best brakes, suspension, LSD, clutch etc... for the job.

Not to mention having it looked at by a company with motorsport experience to make sure it can go round corners...

Cutting corners will not make it very quick IMO if you add the weight of the 4x4 conversion in.

You'll be in danger of a making a heavy car that doesn't perform as well as you are expecting.

I understand the power to weight m8 ive spent a fortune on my vxr and she still ain there yet nearly though the vrs was suppost to be my cheap car that I wernt going to play with but can help it what do u recommend to get a bit more out of it? I know a diff is a must it changed my corsa completly

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will they fit under 17's? if so where can I get them and also where can I get the rears?

Yes i believe so

I know for a fact the 323mm 4 pot brembo's from a leon cupra r fit as thats what i ran at 220bhp

For 300bhp id want 330mm 6 pots up front, just google d2 brake kits

The 256mm rears can be had off a octavia vrs, but again for 4wd id want bigger, dont know what else is available for the rear

Might be worth contacting vagbremtechnic for a brake set up

Dave knows his stuff

will they fit under 17's? if so where can I get them and also where can I get the rears?

Yes 330mm is the most that fits under 17" rims.. but you may need spacers to clear the callipers.

various companies.. most people opt for 256mm rears from the Leon Cupra R..

such as.. http://www.ebay.co.u...=item1c32158b79

and as for the 330mm brakes..

When it comes to looking for them, enter in a Skoda Octavia vRS mk1 1.8t for most companies as they fit.. here are a few..

Ksport - http://www.ksport.co...sp?id=314&loc=2

PB Brakes - http://pbbrakes.com/...-brake-kit.html

Brembo - http://www.europerfo...?product=204177

Tarox - http://www.motorspor...arox-brakes.htm

another website called - www.bigbrakes4u.co.uk do quite a few but its under maintenance atm..

I hope this hopes!

Also - Shark Performance will be releasing a brake kit for the Fabia in due time so email them and enquire..

I've been thinking about this again.. I if you removed the rear axle beam and fuel tank, you could probably cut the rear floor section out completely in one piece, you could also do the same to something like an mk1 a3 quattro, they are cheap as chips now, anyway you could weld the rear floor section into the fabia shell and then just use the standard rear subframe assembly and haldex unit and suspension and fuel tank etc, it's not as daunting as it sounds and most of the difficult engineered parts are ready made for the job..

I wonder how much I could pick up a knackered poverty spec fabia for? I have an a3 quattro here just waiting for a project like that.. I like that idea.

Also.. these for the rears.. 330mm 6pot - http://pbbrakes.com/brake-kits/skoda/octavia/skoda-octavia-1-8-20vt-96-06-rear-big-brake-kit.html

PB brakes and coilovers are a great company!! Drop them a email and I'm sure they will be more than happy to help!

http://pbbrakes.com/

I seriously recommend their products!

Here's a review for their brake kits.. http://www.fastcar.c...ra-dc2-part-17/

and

http://pbbrakes.com/reviews

Are the PB brakes ex vat or inc vat?

Are the PB brakes ex vat or inc vat?

they are excluding VAT.. buy still cheaper than most and amazing build quality!

Those pb brakes sound fantastic

Those pb brakes sound fantastic

drop them an email and ask for dan newton if so tell him I sent you ah ha.. I don't get anything from it, just spoken to him a lot ha ha

I will definitely be buying them after I've upgraded my clutch and turbo

For what it's worth...

It will sound as truism but bear with me

With any project of any kind it is always worth to plan it in high detail before you open your wallet. It's rather easy to throw dough at anything but rarely you get the best bang for your buck this way.

1. What is the car for? Daily driver with some added oomph and nice looks, drag strip warrior or a track weapon? All three will need a completely different approach

2. The answer to point 1 will dictate what is needed. I understand from previous post that it is to be a daily driver with added oomph and looks.

3. If point 2 true there's very little work needed to get a great car for daily use. Your £10k can even get you a full interior revamp

• Super light alloys with best rubber and good LSD will transform the car immensly.
  
• I know I am going against the grain here but you will not need better brakes for daily driver as uprated fluid and good pads will be all you need - how often do you go to your "private test track" and brake from 140mph+ ? Looks are a different thing and you might want brakes for looks only
  
• Chassis mods (ARB, RARB, bushes, engine mounts) are pretty obvious
  
• Power mods for a daily driver have to be done with one thing in mind - it's a daily driver so driveability and fuel consumption usually matter MIght not for you obviously
  

Drag Strip Warrior or Track Weapon if done properly are undriveable for daily use. As you have vrx you drowned an used GT-R worth of money in already I cannot see you wanting to follow the same route with Fabia...

Try these

http://www.hmmotorsport.cz/

Wow, I learned to drive in that car! First hand brake turns, drifts, top speed of 120kph, memories...

drop them an email and ask for dan newton if so tell him I sent you ah ha.. I don't get anything from it, just spoken to him a lot ha ha

I will definitely be buying them after I've upgraded my clutch and turbo

I best get saving then