Calm down.

Sorry Dodgy, but to say a piece of technology is a necessity is ridiculous, just laughable.

 

If ACC kept you alive like a pacemaker or such like I could understand it, however it doesn't and therefore it can quite easily be substituted for a fundamentally simpler manual version, which whilst it doesn't rely on the radar, still gives you some automation, but ultimately leaves you in control.

 

One of the things we keep telling them about technology is "Keep it simple" less to go wrong & cheaper to fix.  

Sorry Dodgy, but to say a piece of technology is a necessity is ridiculous, just laughable.

Who said it was a necessity?

Keep it friendly please.

I issue the next decree: TheWanderer shall not use his TV remote for the next month. Need the channel changed get off your sofa and use 'em buttons on that TV! 

 

Oh... no elevators for you either!

Edited 8 October, 201312 yr by TudorM

Well you are implying that you absolutely need it to feel safe & drive the car. Poppycock. If you are that paranoid & don't feel safe driving a car then perhaps you should hand in your driving licence.

 

You are a human being, you control the machine, ACC is by no means essential & it takes away some of the involvement and control of the car, you are becoming complacent by letting technology take control.

 

I would never allow it to do so without it being 1000% reliable and I'm sorry but the way that this item has very rapidly pulled from being an available option, says to me that there are quality control issues or safety/reliability issues with it and yet you would be quite happy to let it control your car with you, your family in it?

 

I'm very sorry if this offends but you must be one sandwich short of a picnic. For me there's only one thing that controls my car and that's me! 

 

I dictate when cruise in active or when it's inactive, I control my speed & judge my distance, not some computer which knows nothing of its surroundings or the prevailing road surface conditions. 

 

If you are so naive as to trust it, all I can say is more fool you. And if you cannot live without a safety net which isn't absolutely fail safe then I feel very sorry for you.

 

You sir, are a moron. End of conversation.

Sorry Dodgy, but to say a piece of technology is a necessity is ridiculous, just laughable.

If ACC kept you alive like a pacemaker or such like I could understand it, however it doesn't and therefore it can quite easily be substituted for a fundamentally simpler manual version, which whilst it doesn't rely on the radar, still gives you some automation, but ultimately leaves you in control.

One of the things we keep telling them about technology is "Keep it simple" less to go wrong & cheaper to fix.

Have you any data to support your opinion? Or is it just an opinion?

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OK, am getting very confused with all of this now!

 

I have a vRS on order, ordered on 20th September, will this have Lane Assist as a standard fit or not?  Anyone know?  I have emailed my dealer but my chap is away on holiday for a week so wont hear from him til next week, was just curious as to where things stood at the moment with the information on here, as I have read that as its a standard feature it will come with it, if it doesnt come with it I will be very disappointed as essentially I have paid for it, so I presume Skoda will be reducing the cost of the car accordingly?!?!?!

 

As for all this nonsense about 'driver aids' etc etc that exactly what these things are they are to aid the driver not to take control of the car, the driver will still ultimately make the final decisions, and will be responsible....

 

I mean, aircraft can use autopilot to fly the plane, and a lot of the time the pilots do take advantage of autopilot as it makes the job of flying the plane less stressful, like I use cruise control as it makes driving less tiring knowing the car is set at a certain speed, and you dont have to worry about that, you can relax, enjoy the journey, feel less tired and stay more alert for other things going on in the car etc, technology is becoming more and more a part of our lives whether we agree with it or not, we need to embrace technology and make it work for us and with us, simple as that!

 

Anyway, everyone will have a view on this, and everyone will think they are right and others are wrong, so in many ways we have to agree to disagree about many of these technological advances happening in our cars :-)

I mean, aircraft can use autopilot to fly the plane, and a lot of the time the pilots do take advantage of autopilot as it makes the job of flying the plane less stressful,

god, don't tell the wanderer that aeroplanes have autopilot. He'll never fly again and it'll be camping holidays from now on as those pilots obviously aren't fit if they use a flying aid....

I mean, aircraft can use autopilot to fly the plane, and a lot of the time the pilots do take advantage of autopilot as it makes the job of flying the plane less stressful

 

Actually they use the autopilot every single time they fly. The only non-automated part of modern flying is on take off/landing (and maybe some extreme emergency at altitude). Even azimuth/elevation changes are done via a toggle in the cockpit (they don't touch the rudder/elevon etc controls). And the take off/landing isn't done manually because the planes can't do it, they can actually. But people's perception of it (hint!) makes it a hard sell to passengers.

 

Which basically is what everybody does when they use the cruise control in a car...

 

@james, I would say that you car will come with Lane Assist. People just won't be able to order it as an option on specs that don't have it as standard.

Edited 9 October, 201312 yr by TudorM

Whilst on the subject of autopilot, read here.

Nope landings are also automated, I think it can only happen in fog when ILS is used.

Oh so the plane crashed cause they used autopilot but the pilots themselves didn't bother to look for that hill? Hah! Lets get off them crazy automated planes people! Back to WW1 biplanes for all of us, much safer ain't it?

ACC is the best thing if you drive on foggy weather for example. Setting it properly , will see the car in front of you, before the driver/passenger(s). On one hand we complain that Skoda does not provide same technology and gadgets as VW and on the other hand we start complaining  when we can actually order such things. 

This logic is weird enough for me to try and understand it

 

 

As for the planes, is wrong to generalize things. Just think about the Asiana crash at San Francisco , few months ago. The pilots didn;t use the autopilot as the ILS was down at that moment and it ended up pretty bad, although it could have been worse , considering the plane flipped over.

Edited 9 October, 201312 yr by Bogdan81

Oh so the plane crashed cause they used autopilot but the pilots themselves didn't bother to look for that hill? Hah! Lets get off them crazy automated planes people! Back to WW1 biplanes for all of us, much safer ain't it?

No, the pilots simply became lazy and complacent because of the tools they used which were designed to make their lives easier and safer. They developed a false sense of security.

 

edit: After the introduction of ABS during the 90's it was noticed that cars with it fitted were statistically ~20% more likely to be involved in a collision. Even though ABS is most probably the best car safety feature ever invented, it actually made drivers behave more recklessly and pay less attention because they "believed" they were safer. See here. Cars are MUCH MUCH safer nowadays than when I started driving in the 80's. Driving at slightly faster than motorway speeds was a hair-raising experience in my mkIV Cortina, and in the wet it scared the pants off me. As such I would drive it much slower (and perhaps safer) than any recent airbag, ABS etc equipped car I have owned. There is nothing like knowing that an engine will land on your lap if you crash, to make you drive more safely.

 

One of the reasons ABS and Traction Control were removed from F1 cars was for safety. Cars were cornering too fast, braking too late, and drivers were leaving the absolute tiniest margins for error.

Edited 9 October, 201312 yr by Orville

Go ahead and drive your Cortina then, cause it's "safer". No point in continuing this conversation.

Blimey!

I thought there was nothing worse than a woman scorned....

Seems a man whose car is delayed is much worse.......

god, don't tell the wanderer that aeroplanes have autopilot. He'll never fly again and it'll be camping holidays from now on as those pilots obviously aren't fit if they use a flying aid....

You won't find me on any aircraft. I have a absolute fear of aircraft & flying.

You sir, are a moron. End of conversation.

You are that for refusing to by car with a bit of technology missing. Childish & Petulant.

Go ahead and drive your Cortina then, cause it's "safer". No point in continuing this conversation.

Of course it is not safer. All I was attempting to highlight is that people change their driving habits, dependent upon how safe they feel. Put someone within the world's safest car and they are likely to drive faster and potentially be more prone to accidents than someone within a Ford Cortina or similar that is minus all of the safety features. Let's not make opinion/arguments personal. There is enough of that already.

 

 

@james, I would say that you car will come with Lane Assist. People just won't be able to order it as an option on specs that don't have it as standard.

 

Thanks, I hope so, I know its a gadget, but I do like gadgets, and if it helps make things safer, then I am all for it! :-)