the estate is quicker due to being lighter and lower than the hatch as in the you tube test.

Edited 3 February, 201412 yr by skodavrs30

 Lol,  Salespeople like to mention that,

Now is it really lower that a Hatch, or does it just have a longer roof and roof rails to aid speed through head winds,

(do they slow it in crosswinds, Joke.)

and is 5 kg lighter important before it gets anything like the possible. 0.5 tonne payload put into the rear.

(what happens when you put 2 x 10 kg bikes in your Estate and only one in the hatchback?)

 

they are quick, but not really quicker than a hatch other than on paper,

(imgine the estate blasting off into the distance at 140 as you lag behind at only 139)

 

But the suspension is nice with the Rear Springs for the greater payload.

The Balance is nice, unladen or laden, and nobody really buys a car and drives about as they are weighed Unladen at a Factory for EU Emission Tests with maybe a 75kg driver onboard & half a tank of fuel..

(all lady drivers weigh 75 kg or less, and their arse does look big in a hatch.)

 

Lovely cars, but remember where Skoda charge more, official numbers are up or down acorrding to the selling price.

Lovely looking estate, Tom. When the little one arrives, you will definitely use all that extra load space - believe me!

Only 2 more sleeps to go!

Had the Milltek taken off yesterday and replaced with the OEM exhaust. Had to double-check the engine was actually running after I turned the key it's now so quiet lol! Feels like driving around in a Prius haha. Wife loves it back on the original exhaust but I'm missing that meaty growl already ;-)

Ok so we picked up the new beast on Friday night! Absolutely chuffed to bits with it.

Handover went very smoothly - car was waiting inside the showroom in a nice roped-off VIP-style area. This was very handy for checking over the paint/bodywork etc under the bright showroom lights. A big thank you must go to Chris at Carrs Skoda Indian queens - he's only been in car sales a few months but was great to deal with.

First impressions? Well only driven it about 70 miles sofar (more to come this afternoon!) but at the moment I would say :

-a tad less road /wind noise than the old hatch

-CTHE engine has different bassier induction noise

-exhaust oddly enough sounds more vocal

-steering abit quicker ?lighter

-CTHE lump feels abit more eager to rev and punchier at top-end

-ride more composed and less crashy although rough surfaces still fairly intrusive

-boot is Mahooosive!!!

-sound system sounds much better, seems like there are additional tweeters in the back I didn't notice on our old car?

-Bluetooth phone controls/menu display are cumbersome /PITA.

Overall we are very pleased. And before anyone asks - no I haven't dipped the oil yet lol! ;-)

I'm loving the silver paint/black pack/dark chrome wheel combo. Was worried about this before as wouldn't have specced it myself but it works well. SWMBO is yet to be convinced by the paint (she wanted grey) but I suspect it will grow on her.

Gentlemen get your Kleenex at the ready for some vRS porn......

Tom

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 Lets forget the never to be mentioned.   Just do the tyre pressures please, if not done yet.   

Cheers George. Will check the pressures etc this afternoon.

Yet more proof that us estate owners have the better deal! :-p Car is looking good, estate is much better looking than the hatch.

**Runs and hides**

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Yeah it's funny isn't it - when I first had the hatch I felt that it was much better looking than the Estate but over time the load-Lugger has really grown on me to the point where I think it is much more handsome!

The car looking good the silver looks very nice.

Cracking-looking estate.

There was a time when I thought my pre-FL satin grey metallic '3' spec estate with the front fogs and atria 16" wheels was not too bad-looking as Fabias go, but it's a munter compared with a vRS estate (especially those in black or silver)!

Don't know why but the Dark Chrome Gigaros look fecking massive on the silver estate. :-)

Congrats on the deal, as you say: a "no-brainer". Personally I'd like that but with a hatch again if possible! I may upset my dear Sharkrider but I feel almost sorry for most estates out there (meaning looks), and the vRS is one of the worst looking ones imho due to the fact it's so narrow that extending it further makes it look like a train wagon. Would like to test drive one though out of curiosity, as I find hard to believe that a taller and longer version would be better handling... Maybe it's the "brand new" effect?    Anyway, since as you say the looks of it have grown on you, even better the offer was about an estate!

Edited 9 February, 201412 yr by newbie69

Congrats on the deal, as you say: a "no-brainer". Personally I'd like that but with a hatch again if possible! I may upset my dear Sharkrider but I feel almost sorry for most estates out there (meaning looks), and the vRS is one of the worst looking ones imho due to the fact it's so narrow that extending it further makes it look like a train wagon. Would like to test drive one though out of curiosity, as I find hard to believe that a taller and longer version would be better handling... Maybe it's the "brand new" effect?    Anyway, since as you say the looks of it have grown on you, even better the offer was about an estate!

Haven't really tested the handling prowess yet as the brakes and tyres are still brand-new/running in. Defo seems to ride a lot better tho. As you say could be the " new car effect". Have a test drive and see what I mean.

What I can say is that the CTHE estate feels waaaay more rapid than our old CAVE hatch. Quite shocked by this didn't expect to feel such a difference which is nice! Obviously this is "bum dyno" only - might put the Estate on a Rolling Road in the next couple of weeks if I get some free time :-)

Excellent Tom I had a TMC box on my CAVE car, and my CTHE feels just as fast that would make it 200bhp! :0 new polo FYI is 190bhp, same engine maybe? Remember it will loosen up too

Yep, I admit I tend to take "my new car has arrived" reviews with a pinch of salt especially when they are not backed up by some facts. I mean unless Skoda secretly injected more oomph without charging it or uprating the mediocre suspension (this continues from another thread, lol...) it's the same car with the only actual difference being the significant 25cm longer chassis and only the same engine to power it. If I was to bet on the handling/agility I would say "probably slightly worse". Of course, that doesn't/shouldn't spoil the new car enthousiasm.

The Suspension is not the same as the hatch, the rear payload means there are different rated Springs, 

different Dampers, and a different balance.

Skoda give the vehicles hatch or estate the same maximum Gross weight though.

 

9 3/4 " is always nice to have, the Wheelbase is the same though.

and the extra length is there without the need to Fix 25kg to the rear crash bar.

The front end steers differently because of the vehicles rear suspension and length/balance.   Well IMO/

 

We do not know if the Power is the same untill the actual car is tested,

because Skoda did not change the figures from CAVE to CTHE,

but they are possibly Updating the MAP for the new one on the CTHE from October 2012,

they may have Enhanced again since.

The Dyno might tell an interesting story.

 

What tyres is it wearing?

Yeah "just got my new motor" reviews are always on the positive side but there is no arguing that although the estate is longer it is also lighter..... Also is rumoured to have uprated rear suspension.

The actual speed is kind of irrelevant anyhow. If it feels faster/better than that is all good in my book lol!

I'm going to enjoy it to the max until the novelty wears off :-)

Edited 9 February, 201412 yr by Furbytom

What tyres is it wearing?

Continental Sport-Contact 2 I believe.

Was just glad to see it wasn't wearing dunlops!

The cthe has many changes.... The suspension is different somehow , in the recent poly bush group buy, they needed to know if it was a 2013 on car, because the bushes were different, I did 50 k in a cave, and the cthe is without a doubt a completely different 'feel' to drive.... The throttle mapping is different, and the way the DSG behaves is different... When the cthe engine came in, seat advertised a drop in co2, and am improvement to fuel economy, skoda simply didn't mention anything, I think it's quite a different car to be honest! ( well it seemed so to me, 50k in cave, 14k in cthe) most of the time my cave was running 200bhp with the TMC box...

Yeah "just got my new motor" reviews are always on the positive side but there is no arguing that although the estate is longer it is also lighter..... Also is rumoured to have uprooted rear suspension.

The actual speed is kind of irrelevant anyhow. If it feels faster/better than that is all good in my book lol!

I'm going to enjoy it to the max until the novelty wears off :-)

 

But you can't possibly mean that 5 out of 1318 kg in total (0.4% difference!) is something that has a substantial effect on the car's performance do you? I thought most people where referring to this as a joke tbh. I can ask 10 ordinary people to do 2 test-drives in any car, once being stock and once having a 5kg weight on the boot and they won't be able to tell the difference if they tried. You could however tell which time it was on or off if you drove a bicycle because there, 5kg have an actual effect. However 25cm longer (+6%) isn't that negligible, again it has to do with what length we are dealing in the first place. Surely enough, 25cm more on a 30 meter long bus would be nothing. I think you get my point. Also, it is a bit strange for the new car to feel "waaay" faster unless of course there was something wrong with the old one.

 

Anyway, if it feels right for you then it suffices. Again, enjoy!

The cthe has many changes.... The suspension is different somehow , in the recent poly bush group buy, they needed to know if it was a 2013 on car, because the bushes were different, I did 50 k in a cave, and the cthe is without a doubt a completely different 'feel' to drive.... The throttle mapping is different, and the way the DSG behaves is different... When the cthe engine came in, seat advertised a drop in co2, and am improvement to fuel economy, skoda simply didn't mention anything, I think it's quite a different car to be honest! ( well it seemed so to me, 50k in cave, 14k in cthe) most of the time my cave was running 200bhp with the TMC box...

 

Interesting. I mean software can have a detrimental effect nowdays but technically it's still the 1.4 TSI. And it's not as if the oil issues were elliminated with the CTHE, nothing really changed from the reports we had here. Also performance-wise the figures are exactly the same that's why I am finding hard to believe there is a significant change. Mapping could be different of course which could explain the "feeling" you and Tom are describing. Haven't read any in-depth reviews lately, maybe in the end I need to do that test-drive!

My car on a weigh bridge as i drive it including me weighs 1,444 kg, that when fueled and with kit in it..

 

Best way to know how yours is in the way of weight is drive onto a weigh bridge with a full tank of fuel,

maybe even with passengers in it.

 

The official Skoda weights from 2009/10 and reality are miles apart.

VAG make up weights to suit getting co/2 figures, they are allowed to do the testing.

 

The car has changed little in exterior looks, and a bit in the interior,

but the CTHE engine is a major change and any other component updates.

 

They are what they are,

drive a CAVE hatch and drive a CAVE Estate, then maybe drive a CTHE recent build estate.

Chalk and Cheese and Dairy Spread Triangles.

But you can't possibly mean that 5 out of 1318 kg in total (0.4% difference!) is something that has a substantial effect on the car's performance do you? I thought most people where referring to this as a joke tbh. I can ask 10 ordinary people to do 2 test-drives in any car, once being stock and once having a 5kg weight on the boot and they won't be able to tell the difference if they tried. You could however tell which time it was on or off if you drove a bicycle because there, 5kg have an actual effect. However 25cm longer (+6%) isn't that negligible, again it has to do with what length we are dealing in the first place. Surely enough, 25cm more on a 30 meter long bus would be nothing. I think you get my point. Also, it is a bit strange for the new car to feel "waaay" faster unless of course there was something wrong with the old one.

 

Anyway, if it feels right for you then it suffices. Again, enjoy!

  

Interesting. I mean software can have a detrimental effect nowdays but technically it's still the 1.4 TSI. And it's not as if the oil issues were elliminated with the CTHE, nothing really changed from the reports we had here. Also performance-wise the figures are exactly the same that's why I am finding hard to believe there is a significant change. Mapping could be different of course which could explain the "feeling" you and Tom are describing. Haven't read any in-depth reviews lately, maybe in the end I need to do that test-drive!

No mate you are right I didn't mean to suggest that the 5kg would mean a significant performance boost. My point was that by going for the estate you are not opting for a heavier old barge compared to the hatch.

Again the figures aren't quite the same - the estate has 1mph faster top speed but like you say I doubt this would feel any different on the road!

The throttle mapping does seem different. The actual throttle pedal travel is abit greater on this new car too.

Go for a test drive and see what you think.

  

No mate you are right I didn't mean to suggest that the 5kg would mean a significant performance boost. My point was that by going for the estate you are not opting for a heavier old barge compared to the hatch.

Again the figures aren't quite the same - the estate has 1mph faster top speed but like you say I doubt this would feel any different on the road!

The throttle mapping does seem different. The actual throttle pedal travel is abit greater on this new car too.

Go for a test drive and see what you think.

 

That is true. You don't get a heavier vehicle to begin with however my guess is that every estate out there will be (in reality) heavier than a hatch precisely because owners opt for the extra storage in order to use it! Put the dog, baby's stroller, fishing equipment (quoting some of the actual reasons I've read here for choosing the estate!   ) etc. Also, don't forget that us blessed (lol) hatch owners can get easily rid off 25 kg if we want to (yes we do and we have!) but you can't do the same on the estate, can you?

 

But with all that "mapping" talk you've got me started thinking... Actually not for a new hatch but I'm wondering if the APR Stage 1 map is any good (lol...)

 

PS. @Sharkrider: Stop liking posts!!

Edited 9 February, 201412 yr by newbie69