Missing the point I feel about the document that's in the OP

no mk1 fabia vrs has a DPF whilst you may be right about its purpose, it is totally redundant from this conversation as a MK1 DOES NOT HAVE DPF

the OP was pointing out that the CAT will need to be present for an MOT (as fabias did/do have these)

 

 

I was talking about Cats... then went on to mention DPFs as they had been brought up in the discussion.

 

My point was that people remove these things, often due to misconceptions based on poor information, or judgement, or simply because they want MOAR POWAAAR, the same applies for DPFs. Cats turn some pretty harmful stuff, into less harmful stuff as I explained above and are reliable in nearly all cases.

 

Considering the benefits a Cat brings, I find removing it for what is typically very small increase in performance a little hard to understand. But then I don't mod my car, so I'm bound not to. I'd have thought handling mods, and training will have more effect on how quickly you can drive on the roads, within the legal limits. Again, I probably don't understand the culture behind it, so please excuse me. 

 

I hope the folks who have had their Cat removed got the scrap value for the innards? There's some pretty rare and expensive stuff in there.

I love diesel powered cars, yet, as much as emission reduction systems are a pain, diesel fumes are a carcinogenic to humans, and are in the same group as Plutonium, sunlight and alcohol.

As far as reasonably practicable, people must reduce inhalation of the fumes.

 

Yes but a LOT f things are carcinogenic - so whether things develop or not is down to exposure levels and the quantum of whatever compound is retained within the body

My god are you lot STILL going on about DPFs that aren't even fitted to MK1s ? I don't think anyone is actually paying any attention to that on here, like it was said we DON'T own DPFs

 

As for cats, there may be many reasons I can see why people MIGHT remove.....a small percentage might be tuning...but far more likely is

a/ failure b/ cost to replace and c/ theft

I don't know the price but if I found out a cat costs approaching say £1k, I would certainly at least contemplate alternatives. I've heard they are expensive but thankfully never found out how much

 

If you want people to actually be motivated you have to give them some incentive to do that.....if cats etc are expensive and troublesome to maintain is it really surprising if you find problems getting people to follow your quality measures ? Is it any surprise if you make car parts exorbitantly expensive that people will think twice about them.

 

PLUS.......I hope there are a few people in with me on this, there are far worse things to worry about that the very successful human species mate, give us a break.....why not save your worry for the sharks (fin soup), fish depletion, mercury in the sea, eradication of species like the tiger.....all man made mate   or aren't they important to the possibility some nob might get a whiff of diesel smoke behind them god forbid ?....

Christ it was less than 100 years ago the world was covered by smoke thanks to the industrial revolution.....in fact people can still burn crap in their garden or up their chimneys and I have to breathe that crap without any governance.....what a pathetic double standard.......rant over and hopefully now estate man can get off his crusading high horse

My god are you lot STILL going on about DPFs that aren't even fitted to MK1s ? I don't think anyone is actually paying any attention to that on here, like it was said we DON'T own DPFs

 

Well, you clearly are! Everyone knows the Mk1's don't have dpf's. But the OP was about cats and dpf's on DIESELS! These are combined units. Seems some didn't even read it correctly. It's interesting it's posted here, not sure why but individuals were responding for some reason about petrol engined cars and so I chipped in. As an a development engineer and ex tech I am interested to see the different responses to the OP and pointed out the disadvantages to some individuals who clearly think it's a good idea to take one off. Yet, I'm told I'm on a high horse by a person on a high horse who like others who do these things seems to struggle to justify why it's a good idea to remove a dpf combined unit (the only thing I'm commenting on). And yes you've said you've not removed one and that's good. Along the way it's obvious many people have become confused and muddled by the facts. Strange but true.   Anyhoo, I'm out of here. 

If all these cancers etc are getting worse because of the way modern engines with their cats and dogs and damp proof courses have changed to meet ever tighter modern emission standards wouldn't we be better going back three decades to smokey old low tech engines and fewer emission regulations. If the diseases are worse now than they were then rolling back the technology would roll back the worsening diseases. Double the effort when you lose sight of the goal? No sorry that was fascism. Completely different thing, possibly.

 

Nigel

Basically any diesel that left the factory with a dpf or cat or both, and no longer has one come mot time will fail.

As this post is in mk1 fabia forum then its only the people that have removed the cat that need to be worried.

Should this post be placed in the mk2 forum then people should be worried if they have removed either or both.

Im gonna jump in and say I don't really care if im polluting ****, sounds irresponsible and harsh on the innocent people (that **** me about everyday) im gna get cancer from fumes from exhausts like im gonna get cancer from pretty much anything these days, to many fry ups, using my phone to much, wearing clothes dyed with cancerous chemicals ( obviously I dont go and search these clothes out)

Do the new rules mention anything about the EGR?  No DPF on a fabia but pretty much everyone does a egr delete pumping more nox gasses into our enviroment.  I do not think it is modern engines that will cause an increase in cancer but the increase of cars on our roads.  Over populated little island that will gas itself to death if not careful.  Sorry to get political but vote UKIP .  And maybe someone should tell these guys who advertise their DPF delete service merrily on the radio everyday : http://www.alverstoneautosltd.co.uk/content/dpf-solutions

 

http://londonist.com/2013/11/pollutiondeaths.php

 

Too many people too many cars simple.

Edited 6 February, 201412 yr by RAPTURE

in fact people can still burn crap in their garden or up their chimneys and I have to breathe that crap without any governance...

 

Probably because people complain when they're told they can't do it. Or ignore the problem because they don't have a garden, so it doesn't affect them, and the debate should be taken elsewhere for those people with gardens to worry about.

 

Seriously, however, my house is in a smoke controlled area and I'm not allowed to burn anything that isn't smokeless fuel. I even had to purchase a DEFRA approved stove to be allowed to use the chimney. Amazing how many people told me not to bother and that 'no one would find out or care'.

Sorry to get political but vote UKIP 

 

 

That's right. We'll send all the Sluts who removed emissions control devices to 'Bongo Bongo Land'. 

 

Seriously though, according to UKIP, it's not pollution or climate change that's causing the last few year's worth of severe weather.

 

Haha. Anyway, I've said my piece. I'll leave this subject well alone from now on.

The subject was in General chat. As I say only way around it is to fanny around by fitting the filter for test of by having a tame MOT man

What difference is this really going to make in the grand scheme of things? The only time we will be pollution free is when we get all our power from natural resources and no more fossil fuels. I cant see that happening anytime soon with countries like China polluting way more than us, even with people decatting and removing DPFs in the UK  . 

That's right. We'll send all the Sluts who removed emissions control devices to 'Bongo Bongo Land'. 

 

Seriously though, according to UKIP, it's not pollution or climate change that's causing the last few year's worth of severe weather.

 

Haha. Anyway, I've said my piece. I'll leave this subject well alone from now on.

Lolz got to love the British Board of Corruption

 

Genesis 7:12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

Edited 6 February, 201412 yr by RAPTURE

Lolz.

 

Genesis 7:12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

Ah. that explains everything then. 

Incidentally, I do know that no Mk1's have dpf's fitted and did think it strange that it's posted here.

If you re-read my original post you will see it states "any vehicle where a CATALYTIC CONVERTER or particulate filter is missing where one was fitted as standard will fail the test"

I have made the key word in capitals to make it easier for people to see why it belongs here. Many people consider decating their diesel, myself included, and have often been told it is not a legal requirement for a Diesel engine. This is now not the case and people need to be aware of this before they carry out such modifications.

Haha wasn't it blamed on gay marriage? How you vote for a party that has an active member who actually blamed gay marriage

If you re-read my original post you will see it states "any vehicle where a CATALYTIC CONVERTER or particulate filter is missing where one was fitted as standard will fail the test"

I have made the key word in capitals to make it easier for people to see why it belongs here. Many people consider decating their diesel, myself included, and have often been told it is not a legal requirement for a Diesel engine. This is now not the case and people need to be aware of this before they carry out such modifications.

 

Matt, we received that very document some weeks ago. The paragraph you refer to is only about diesels. Look at the beginning of the paragraph and read it. Most modern Diesels use a combined CAT and DPF. It must be present and working. Gas tests will be introduced too very soon to check nox and nanos to a very much higher standard, not just smoke. But it's great you raised the issue. Well done. 

Edited 7 February, 201412 yr by Estate Man

Haha wasn't it blamed on gay marriage? How you vote for a party that has an active member who actually blamed gay marriage

I sorry but dont belive everything the BBC tells you they pray on nieve poeple.  BBC are up the Cons ass's and a slur campain against UKIP is blatently transparent, a bit like you lol.

I sorry but dont belive everything the BBC tells you they pray on nieve poeple. BBC are up the Cons ass's and a slur campain against UKIP is blatently transparent, a bit like you lol.

Ha ha ha ha...

Presumably so are ITV, Sky, channel 4 and the printed press.

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You hit the nail on the head the mainstream press are there to brainwash you and to serve an agenda.  Free press on the net is they only way to find an unbiased view. So hard to belive?.

Edited 7 February, 201412 yr by RAPTURE

Ha ha ha ha...

Presumably so are ITV, Sky, channel 4 and the printed press.

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At risk of hijacking thread here but..

 

The way the BBC has dealt with UKIP's increasing popularity in the past few years has been nothing short of cringe-worthy.. At present it wouldn't be too unreasonable to make comparison with the thinly veiled propaganda that was broadcasted by Soviet block news sources in days gone by.. Virtually all British news sources have an agenda to put across, always better to get an outside perspective which is not to difficult in this day and age..

 

Back on the OP at present only a visual inspection is required, given that most decent firms offering DPF removals leave the casing in place and just remove the core I can't see it causing to many gripes at the moment.. And it's all well and good singing the praises of DPF's and how they make diesel fumes as fresh as a morning breeze, but try extolling the virtues of them to the poor sod who's had to drive their car in limp mode because of a clogged filter.. Neatly hinting to the main reason for DPF's being removed, its much cheaper to do away with a clogged filter rather than replace it with a new one..

So hard to belive?.

 

 

Erm, as I work in the media, yes.

 

Newspapers tend to have their own slant on things, (Especially the Mail, Express and Red top tabloids) as do Sky and ITV/ITN but by reading between the lines, you tend to get a pretty good idea of when a political party's cheese has slipped off it's cracker. When even the FT jump on the bandwagon, you know something must be wrong... http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/be6bfcee-88ea-11e3-bb5f-00144feab7de.html#axzz2sd2DprNN

 

Anyway, this is waaay OT, and should probably be in another section so I'll leave it at that.

Why am I transparent? Why was there need for that pointless remark? It was merely what I had read. I didnt state it was fact

I had a full ss exhaust with de cat fitted and my car passed the mot with flying colours. The mot tester didn't care if it didn't have the cat.

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I had a full ss exhaust with de cat fitted and my car passed the mot with flying colours. The mot tester didn't care if it didn't have the cat.

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Maybe not in future though... Unless said MOT tester has a lazy eye.