I'll be needing to renew my car in a few months and need some info on which engines/models are the ones to go for.?

I'm coming from a superb-1 AWX engined.

Which responds the best to remaps etc.?

What do people think of dsg boxes?

Petrol or diesel.?

Edited 8 February, 201412 yr by rajsta

Hi, hard to say without knowing what you will use your car for. Longer trips, short commutes or ...???

 

I do approximately 10k miles per year, I tried out a 4x4 170hp diesel with a DSG6 but I could not motivate the price difference to the 1.8 TSI DSG7 I finally decided to sign on for, it was approximately £6500 cheaper and the road tax on the petrol version is also much lower.

 

For city driving as well as a good mix of highways and A/B roads I could not wish for anything more. The engine is very smooth, the gearbox is ok even if I thought the DSG6 shifted gears a bit less noticable and softer, especially from 1st to 2nd ... You see my mileage in the footer, this is from 40% city driving, 40% 75mph highway and the rest on country roads.

 

Running a DSG7 I would not recommend a remap since it is rated at the engine maximum already ...

 

Good luck hunting your next car down, that's almost the best part ... ;-)

I run a 170 TDI DSG, and think it is brilliant. I do 30K miles per year, 500 per week when working then the odd holiday, and it returns 45.4 mpg (full to full). The trip computer says over 50 usually. I had a Fabia with the DSG 7 speed box, my understanding is that box is a 'dry' clutch setup, whilst the 6 speed is a wet clutch one??? Anyway I would agree with the shift quality comment above- the Fabia was so bad especially when coming to a halt we ended up giving it the nickname 'Lurch' - whilst the 6 speed in my Superb is rarely anything other than totally smooth.

 

As for upgrades, not done it to mine, the 170 is plenty - it cruises fine at 70 - 80, with enough to spare if you need it!

 

Absolutely no issues in 36K miles to date.

Thanks for the input guys.

The 1.8tsi sounds a better bet with the lower tax band.

Are there any models without dsg boxes? I'm really not keen on them.

The 1.8tsi sounds a better bet with the lower tax band.

 

Hi again, please note where I am living ... It might be that you have a different tax situation than we do in Sweden ... :-)

 

Have a nice evening!

I am absolutely delighted with my 1.8TSi manual....pulls well from 1500 rpm and can be in 6th gear by about 42mph. Conversely, in 60mph zones, pulling out from a side turning, there is a tremendous pull in 2nd up to 60mph and then straight to 6th!

 

When I first used the car, I had so much trouble hearing the engine that setting off was quite difficult! Sorted within 10 miles!

The 1.8TSi is quite easily remapped as well - unlike the newer CR diesels with their higher levels of encryption.

What are you using the car for private or taxi work? how many miles PA?

 

AFAIK they are all available with a manual box, which is the safer (cheaper) option if they are not under warranty.

 

 

The 1.8TSi is quite easily remapped as well - unlike the newer CR diesels with their higher levels of encryption.

 

Just because they are encrypted doesn’t mean the (decent) tuners cannot remap them.

Apologies then, as last time I investigated the higher encryption levels could only be by-passed by opening the ECU case and modifying the ECU circuitry. Whereas I thought that the petrols could be DIY tuned through OBD port using hand-held devices.

I'm looking at a 2008/9 2.0PD Elegance (BKD? code) with 140bhp - easy remapped to 185bhp. (I have the same engine in my current car and its pretty quick!)

 

I also know the PD engine better than the CR. but i'll be giving both a good try out!

Thanks for the input guys. Decisions Decisions.

I've just noticed that the superb2 also comes with the PD engine. I've seen the PD engine in 2010 year models.

I'm wondering what benefits does the new CR engine have over the older PD engine.?

Sorry I know nothing about the these CR engines.

Also, just another question, not so important but id like to know.

I'd like to know, are suspension components the same for the S1 and S2.? ie,shocks/springs/arms!

CR engine is much smoother and refined.  The PD engines really feel like noisy diesel engines whereas a CR could be mistaken for a petrol once warmed up!  The 140bhp Superb came initially in PD and then around 2010 changed to CR.  The 170 has always been CR (which is the best engine IMO but I would say that!!).  I've driven both engines (PD in Octavia) and fuel economy is definitely better in CR.  The CR does lack the low down grunt and surge of power that you get with a PD but on the other hand you get a smoother and more consistent power delivery with the CR.  There are a few technical differences of course and as a result the CR engines may be a bit more sensitive to inconsistencies with fuel quality etc.  I would take a CR any day as the other engine just feels dated and noisy.  Resale value should be better with a CR.

The PD is easier to modify & with a bigger turbo, better intercooler, exhaust and a map you'd be looking at about 220bhp!

If I can find a PD, I'll be sticking to that. If not then a 140/170 CR.

Is the CR engine a 16v??

I've got a 170 DSG and it's the best car I've ever had,and I've had a few.

The engine is so smooth and grunty and I'm getting over 50mpg,with the computer optimistically showing high 50s.

The PD is easier to modify & with a bigger turbo, better intercooler, exhaust and a map you'd be looking at about 220bhp!

If I can find a PD, I'll be sticking to that. If not then a 140/170 CR.

Is the CR engine a 16v??

Its 16v.  Remapping might be more difficult alright but you won't be too disappointed with the standard 170 and 350nm of torque

On my PD140 Jetta - I'm on 185bhp & about 347 lb/ft torque. It's stage 1 mapped, with performance filter & a straight through exhaust (no silencers). It's fun, economical, and handles very well.

I think its going to be a toss between the 1.8tsi or the 170cr, which would you think as the best tuning potential.?

I use to sway towards diesels but nowadays I don't see a big difference over the petrols.

while looking at the 1.8tsi, I couldn't find one with a manual box, strange. Look harder I suppose.

Hold that thought, I've found s few horror stories with the tsi engines regarding the timing chain skipping and smacking the pistons etc.

I've found a car that I'm interested in, the spec is -

Skoda Superb SE

Reg: 28/04/2011

Engine: 2 Litre TDI (170PSI)

Gearbox: 6 Speed Manual

Current Mile's: 126,940

TAX: 30/04/2014

MOT: Not due it's first MOT till April

1 Owner from new

Full Skoda main dealer Service history, Next service due in 8000 mile's

What is a fair price to pay for this year/spec.? bodywork is good as so is interior. I cant comment on the engine as ive not personally been to see it.

Also, I'd like to ask, what common problems does the superb.2 suffer with, if any.?

Mileage is quite high for 2011 model but with FSH should be ok. I had 76K miles on a 2011 and the dealer considered that as twice the average apparently. Cam belt should have been done around 110K miles.  I'd take it for a good long test drive though, with that mileage there is always the possibility of worn bearings etc.  If it has been properly serviced wear and tear items should be sorted but you never know until you have a look I suppose.  Nothing major that would typically go wrong with the Superb II.  Not sure on UK pricing maybe £9.5 - £10K max with that mileage?  Is it a dealer or private?

What happened to the 2.0tsi 200bhp engine? Very occasionally notice a few used ones but it's no longer listed as available new.

 

Why would skoda/VAG stop offering this engine? isn't it newer and 'better' than the 1.8 petrol?

What happened to the 2.0tsi 200bhp engine? Very occasionally notice a few used ones but it's no longer listed as available new.

 

Why would skoda/VAG stop offering this engine? isn't it newer and 'better' than the 1.8 petrol?

 

In Lithuania you can still order Superb with 2.0tsi (only with DSG). 

Why would skoda/VAG stop offering this engine? isn't it newer and 'better' than the 1.8 petrol?

 

Poor sales, perhaps?  At the time I bought mine (in the UK) there was > £1,300 difference from the 1.8 DSG to the 2.0 DSG for what seems a rather modest bump in performance - as well as the 2.0 being in a different tax bracket because of its higher CO₂ emissions.  In the first instance I only went for the 2.0 to avoid the suspect reliability of the 7-speed DSG box.

 

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Poor sales, perhaps?  At the time I bought mine (in the UK) there was > £1,300 difference from the 1.8 DSG to the 2.0 DSG for what seems a rather modest bump in performance - as well as the 2.0 being in a different tax bracket because of its higher CO₂ emissions.  In the first instance I only went for the 2.0 to avoid the suspect reliability of the 7-speed DSG box.

 

m.bout 

I'd have to agree with you, company car drivers (the most likely Superb customers?) would probably worry about paying the extra income tax.

 

Since A, I'm retired, B. It's my own car, & C. I preferred the extra grunt from the 2.0 litre lump, the slight increase in running costs wasn't a concern.

 

As for the DSG's, I'd prefer a 7-speed but only the more recent unit with much higher torque capacity, not yet available in any Skoda.

 

Skoda UK seem to think that there is very little UK market interest in bigger engined petrol cars, maybe they correct but it's very frustrating,

& will probably persuade me to look elsewhere when my Superb is replaced.

 

I still think the the 2.0TSi has been the sweetest engine offered in the Superb 2 range, the VR6 has it's charms but it is an expensive choice for many of us, even though the latest version is just "clean" enough to sneek into a lower VED band. 

 

DC